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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And BTW, I live in WA State .... Gig Harbor. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I live in Tacoma!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Why don't you expose this to the chain of command?
Or do you expect that he needs to figure it all out on his own without any "help"?[/QB] </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I have chosen to not expose this to either chain of command because it would hurt ME and the kids in the end. WS could possibly lose his gov. clearances if he were even reprimanded. Those clearances are what would bring him a generous enough salary to provide us with $4000.00 a month in support. Now, he is officially out of the reserves in November and will no longer be able to be reprimanded for this...I do lose that opportunity. BUT at that point there is NOTHING stopping me from contacting her chain of command. He may even be living there at the time which would make it that much better, if it comes to it.
It will all fall into my plan, eventually. If the domino's must fall.... they will be set up by me!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If the domino's must fall.... they will be set up by me!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You're frickin awesome!
- Kimmy
PS - Can I still have someone push her off the Paseo del Rio? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <small>[ August 13, 2004, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Niosgirl ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">PS - Can I still have someone push her off the Paseo del Rio? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">WS has about 23,000 air miles left on his account (enough for 1 ticket) and I'm thinkin' I need a vacation! Point the way!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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I'll meet you there, then we can go to Martha's and have 'ritas and enchiladas verdes!
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Sounds good to me!
Well, I'm off the MC again this morning. I'll be back with an update on that and last night....there were actually some interesting developments last night. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Oh crap...keep me on pins and needles whydoancha????
Prayers sent up, Faith!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Written by FiM: I live in Tacoma!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You're just a few miles away and over the Narrow's Bridge from me. Let me know if I can help ya out in any way. Work allowing, I'd be happy to assist a fellow BS with their Plan A or Plan B.
We're all anxiously awaiting your MC update.
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WARNING: There is very negative news included here.
First of all, since I posted earlier about some developments last night I'll tell you about those. We ended up having a very good conversation about one of his fears. He is afraid that if we do stay together he will be paying for it for years to come. So, we talked about that and I alleviated some of his fears in that regard. The conversation lasted quite a while and I we were able to talk from the heart. So, afterwards somehow the OW is brought up and he says, "You'd really like her if you ever met her. Which you probably will." UGH! It made me feel like we hadn't come any closer after all, but then decided he needed to bring her up to that way for him...not me.
Later, he went with D. to the store to get ice cream.... and came back about hour later <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Well, D. tells me almost as soon as they come home that "Daddy was on the phone at the store and I was in the car." He left her there for about 15 minutes to call OW. Oh well. I didn't confront him about it even though he had earlier said he wasn't going to call her all day...just email her. Then, he comes in the house and says "You know, if I do end up staying I think we should get cable again." (we haven't had it for about 5 years) I said, "If you stay, you can have cable and as many channels as you want." Then he proceeds to tell me he saw this really nice plasma television that would look great above our fireplace and he wants to look into getting that too if he stays. So, I'm okay with that and thinking it's a good sign. Overall, I gave the day a positive rating and he was kinda sleeping close again last night too.
Fast forward to today...MC. This is the bad part. While at MC, WS wanted to talk about my idea about the girls going to Texas with him. That was a bit heated but the MC said that he thinks it's too early to make a decision anyway since WH hasn't listened to all of my concerns as to why that should happen. So, we talk about it awhile and agree to talk more later. Then, WH wants to talk about the best time to tell the kids about a D. We kind of discuss that and WH finally ackowledges that next year is a DORKY solution. We agree to tell them soon. Then MC says.... so I'm confused. Are you DEFINATELY getting a divorce.
I say "no". WS says "yes". At the same time. We look at each other and kind of giggle. Then WH says "I know that the divorce is what I want." I say, "I thought we were still leaving a 'glimmer of hope'". He says, "No. I want a divorce." MC looks at me and says, "He can't be much clearer than that."
I just sat there for a minute. And you know what. I'm done. Would I like to save my marriage. YES. Could I? Eventually, probably. But you know what?
HE IS NOT WORTH IT ANY MORE!!
I could keep PLAN A going and a part of me feels like I am letting myself out easy. But I looked at him and thought....I'm done throwing you the line. Drown. I told the him and the counselor, "I am going to say this as plainly as I can. The door is shut. You know what I mean. It is closed, locked and sealed. Do not knock because no one's home for you anymore."
We went home in silence and when we got there we both walked in and he came to me after a few minutes and tried to say how sorry he is. Before he was done I just told him "I have no desire to hear it. This is exactly where you wanted me and it is where you have me. I don't want your apologies because I made this decision, 25 minutes ago, and you have nothing to apologize for. 30 minutes ago you did. Now, you don't. It's mine. My decision."
Then I told him he needed to get his things from MY room and MY bathroom. (I said it nicely, caps are for my benefit right now) Our younger daughter can sleep with me and he can have her room. We leave for Disneyland on Sunday and we'll all still go together but before today is done he needs to have a place to stay when we come back for the remaining three weeks.
Well, you'd have thought I shoved a poker up his a**. He jumps up and freaks out. I calmly told him that on Monday I told him that if we weren't at least looking at a possibility of something happening in our marriage that he would have to leave. My position has not changed. Just like his position has not changed on D. So, you need to find somewhere else to stay once we are back from Disneyland. He said no. I said I'll talk to my lawyer. YIKES. That damn poker again!!
He ran after me, slammed the door I was trying to walk out of, punched the door (and hurt his hand) and screamed that I will NOT make this ugly.
Calmly, I said I am not doing that. I need for you to leave though. Still, he says no. So, I broke down and said,
"I can not have you here anymore. I was willing to put aside my pride and wait this out for you. I was willing to work through another A and accept my place in our problems. I was willing to do ANYTHING to save this marriage. I AM NOT willing to live in the same house with you without some type of hope. I AM NOT going to live under the same roof with the person I spent the last ten years building a family with and with whom I built the dreams of the next 60 years. I WILL NOT. I could be that strong. But I won't. Not for you. Not anymore. You WILL leave and you WIL NOT give me a hard time about it. You, who are not willing to even to give your family a CHANCE to stay together or be man enough to stand up for it, will not dictate to me where you will stay. Have a place by tonight because you need to leave when we get back because I will not have you here with me."
Then he looks at me and says, "If you would have said it like that instead of insisting it would have been better".
My turn to have the poker!!
I said, "You will NEVER get this from me again. You will NEVER have a sliver of my heart or my feelings again. I refuse to give it to you EVER AGAIN. In the future, you'll need to figure out why I might say what I do because you will never see another tear or another frown. I won't explain my heart to you again."
So, then I went to get my keys. A few days ago I had printed out a letter, I forget from who, that was posted here. It was from the perspective of the WS. He was very eloquent and I thought that a little way down the road I would show it to WH. I grabbed that post, dropped it on WH lap and said, you should read this. And left.
It's been about two hours now and I do feel like I am doing the right thing. Right now...I am done with it. Maybe down the road this will be my PLAN B. Who knows. But I can't look at him and think he deserves us. I posted in another thread that this is not the first time he has had an A. Each time he has been deployed, (3 including this one) he has cheated. I'm just done now.
The next few days should be interesting and I am going to keep coming here. I love this place. While I could do PLAN A and was having fun with it, he's just not worth the effort anymore.
Once he is down there I am going to contact her chain of command. It's going to happen sooner than later now. I still have to do it in a way he won't lose his clearance, but I'm smart enough to figure that one out.
Have a wonderful day. I'm going out tonight!!
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triple post....sorry <small>[ August 18, 2004, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: faithinme ]</small>
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Please take care... go have a relaxing evening.
You still have him by the short ones... BUT
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I had no idea this was not his first affair!
For me, this changes everything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
Somewhere along the line, this stops being a very big mistake, and becomes a lifestyle choice.
I am not sure where your H stands ... has he chosen a lifestyle? Time will tell.
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You know, I've thought about it a lot over the years. I don't think it's a lifestyle choice. I think he's a weak man when it comes to being gone for extended periods of time. I have NEVER worried about him being unfaithful while home and I am sure he wasn't during the last eight years.
This time is different because he has always tried to hide it from me and begged me to stay with him when I found out. He has never been the one to walk away or form an emotional attachment to the OW.
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double post.....double damn....what's up with my computer! <small>[ August 18, 2004, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: faithinme ]</small>
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I agree with Pep. I too didn't know this was his third affair. You're right. It's time to let him go. If he hasn't learned by now that this choice of lifestyle is unproductive, he never will. Now he creeps me out. You deserve so much better. You deserve the best of the best and frankly, he just might be the worst of the worst. I don't one bit feel sorry for this 22 year old. She's got coming what she deserves.
Faith, you're a wonderful woman who has shown great wisdom. The greatest wisdom is knowing when to throw in the towel. He just doesn't get it. He's playing both of you to see which one suits him the best. Let him go to her-she's not going to have much. He'll do it to her too. Bless your heart and bless your children's hearts.
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Faithinme.... I have been lurking on this thread interested on what will happen next. I thought I would just drop a line here and let you know that what I thought. It is fine that you are upset at what he said. I would be too. You have been very assertive and strong and a pillar to the MB community but we all have that bad day when it seem so hopeless. I have been there too. I do not know what will happen with you and your husband but I wanted to let you know that even if it does not work out the way you planned it, you are still a very courageous person.
I did not get the sense that the MC was very pro-marriage from his reaction to your husbands statement. I am sorry for that. Just know that if you do change your mind and decide to go back to the plan, he is still fogged. You really can't trust him to tell you that there is no hope. He is not very clear headed right now. He was just talking about tv's and cable and the next day no hope. hmmmm. I just don't really think he is that far from the fence.
He may say there is no hope but take that talk with a grain of salt.
When God closes a door he opens a window.
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Well I think you set a new record, the best, and shortest Plan A ever.
Next?
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On the contrary Believer, I think she rather set the record on the best Plan A yet...
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You know, I won't ever let him see another tear, but I'll tell you guys you bring one to my eyes. The love and support here have been amazing and I appreciate it more than I can say.
I'm doing pretty good right now and have decided to ....
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
I've nothing to lose now so watch out. I may as well be entertained.
I will be back soon to let you know what falls out from this. He just called and said he is still planning on going out with us tonight (it's my late birthday outing with friends). We're going dancing. I don't think he understands "I am done and the door is shut." I do believe he will by the time we're done. You should SEE my outfit <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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faith - Your poor WH is out of his league dealing with you. Now, I know everyone will slam me for this, but remember, he did serve our country in it's time of need. So can't you be a teenie-weenie bit nice to him?
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I was ready to say you jumped the gun a bit, but I wasn't aware this wasn't his first either.
Nevertheless, I think you made some Plan A mistakes; welcome to Plan B because this is exactly where you are now - unless you REALLY are through with him.
Get an attorney ASAP and clean him out - that's where you're headed.
Unless you aren't sure.
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