Small thread heist: SS, you made me laugh... and today that's a good thing. Thanks!

GC: SS is a smart man. Talk to him about gardening. Really.

Rocket is arugula. It's just more fun to call it rocket.

Fennel! Why couldn't I remember?

Chard, blech!

Squash, very much liked by GC. Roasted squash.

Most anything roasted. If chicken fat is landing on it while it roasts, all the better.

I'd love to know how to pick wild mushrooms. My friend told me there's a section of woods near his hometown (about an hour away) where he used to fill buckets with morels when he was little. Buckets!

This past summer I had plans to grow my first actual vegetable garden. But events got in the way. I hope to try again next year.

Gardening makes winter more bearable in a way, because right around the new year is the time to start planning, and for some greens, you're starting seeds as early as February, up here in chilly zone 4.

GC

The only garden I know hoe to pick from is the frozen section at the store..mmmm

Some of the foods you talk about sound so good..Pealed beats? Sounds good.

I have a black thumb..and I can't boil water without the fire department standing by..

I would love to learn how to cook and garden...Sounds like something that would help me take my mind off all the Bs/WW drama..

gc:

"And that stuff that smells like licorice, darn it, what's it called?"

Ouzo!

...oh, wait a minute, I don't think that's a vegetable. But it WILL make you DANCE! (I know firsthand, as a reformed skeptic).

Nobody mentioned aritchokes... ol' 2long's favorite vegetable in all the known physical universe! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

-ol' 2long

Ouzo......an excellent source of alcohol!

GC....I'm in a zone 3...don't tell me it's chilly there. Yet 6 hours north of here is some very productive agricultural land. The growing season is short, but the 20+ hours a day of sunshine during the summer months really helps.

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Binder,
I lived in Edmonton, I think it's really zone ZERO. NO, maybe minus 3.

I like to garden, it relives lots of stress for me. I Have broken a hoe handle or 2 though.

I planted the winter garden in mid Sept. The turnips are ready now, through the end of Feb. Carrots, mid Jan - through mid april. Onions any time (right now they are small though, the green bunching onion til they get bigger.) Spinich - we did spinich salad last week, but it is too small to pick a lot just yet.


Peas will come up late January, and produce late March through April until it gets too hot. Lots of work for a months worth, but what the heck, I like them lots and lots.

Just picked the last tomatoes after Thanksgivng, and we are still eating them. (if they are pink at all, they continue to ripen.) Hope they last another two weeks.

OK, I'll work on having something for you (graycloud) if you get out this way next summer.

Sorry for the off topic stuff, I'll try and find my way back to the regular scheduled programming.

I hope I don't get a ticket for threadjacking.

SS

<small>[ December 12, 2004, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: still seeking ]</small>

ss:

"I hope I don't get a ticket for threadjacking."

you won't, it's a FELONY! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> They put you in the ground for that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I'm one of the few out there that likes turnips a bit. Love Jerusalem artichokes a lot, though! (there I go about artichokes, but JAs are root veggies, not thistles!).

gc, I love beets 2. Probably my second favorite veggie. But I agree, they have 2 be done right. I was ac2ally surprised at the amount of flavor in them if you steam them in one of them steamers you can get at Target (that's french for "bullseye", don't you know? but you have 2 pronounce it Tar_zhey!).

I love sliced pickled beets and horseradish on samwiches, 2!

-ol' 2long

Well when I grow up I want to live in Southeast Appalacia because you can live off the land there, literally.

They have things like sassafras for a good tonic tea which thins your blood in the spring, and wild cherry bark which is sooooo good for you. Gensing (called "sang" by the appalcains) which as you know is the BEST to keep you young and spry.

I once went out on a field trip with a wildcrafter as part of a course I was taking and he said that in the UP of Michigan you would starve to death trying to living off the land. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

I am reading those Foxfire books (thank Kimmy) which are the most interesting books I have ever read. They cured dang near everything with terpentine and kerosene, with a few home picked herbs sprinkled in here and there, and if that didn't cure ya then a swig of moonshine certainly would. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

GC, they go into detail about "shrooming.

If you guys and gals get the chance, pick up a few volumes of the Firefox books. You will LOVE them.

And don't forget about eggplant, sliced, salted and rubbed with olive oil, then grilled. Yummy!

<small>[ December 13, 2004, 06:04 AM: Message edited by: weaver ]</small>

Did somebody say shrooming??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

We love it. GC come visit in the Spring, my ST goes everyday, better yet, will meet you at Weaver's, that is where the good picking is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Nothing better than morels all fried up with some pan fish. YUMMY!!!!

Right on KY!!! Of course we all have to start taking Milk Thistle a week prior to shrooming because it will protect you from the dreaded toodstool. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

We can go to the island KY, where there are NO speed limits & no police. We can stick a keg in the back of the pickup and just go have some good old fashioned fun! Last summer I even saw a cat chasing a fox! Yep that's right, don't mess with _____ Island cats!

Sounds toxic! ...ink me IN! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

mmmmm.....artichokes! Num! My absolute fav veggie. If I was stuck on a desert island......

DD LOVES them. Has since she was 2. Start 'em young, right?

Sorry to TJ, GC. Hope you had a nice weekend.

- Kimmy

KY, weaver, see you in Myeechigyan.

Mushrooms and blueberries are my favorite things that grow.

Artichokes - only had them in dip and on pizza. They're okay.

Give me rocket!

GC

GC, we have 3 blueberry farms near us, my freezer is always full of them.

We eat from the land. That sounds way more Indian that what I am. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Love blueberries. I make a delicious blueberry banana bread.

Sorry to stop talking about fun vegetables, but I have a problem. I'll be talking to my lawyer about this soon, but I'm fishing for opinions.

It's about the email theft.

Summary: The sparrow and I had a dialup account that we shared, and we both had email addresses under this account. The account was in my name. It was paid with a monthly charge to a credit card which was in the sparrow's name. I was an authorized user for this card. I don't know if I am now. I neglected to cancel this dialup account or change the payment information during the separation. In my mailbox under that account, I had six months of correspondence. It was all very private, and since I use web mail, it was all stored on my ISP's servers.

During the last week of October, I came home one night, and I could not access my email. I went to the online account management, and all the PINs and passwords had been changed. During the following two weeks, I called my ISP several times attempting to gain access to the account, and I could not. The sparrow changed every password, every PIN, changed the payment method, everything, and the ISP would not help me.

I emailed SIL to have her tell the sparrow that I wanted my email back. There was no response.

I had my lawyer bring up the issue in a letter to the sparrow's lawyer, and the response was:

"As for Mr. Graycloud's email account, the account was Ms. Graycloud's email account and being paid by her and he only used an email address under her main account. It was her account and she is entitled to do whatever with her account since she is paying for that account."

The statement is untrue. As I said before, the account was shared by us - it was not "her" account. It was, I'm pretty sure, in my name.

I believe she may have accessed the account to get at the correspondence between me and car4love - many, many, many emails.

I'm worried she might use the correspondence against me, or might give it to OM to use against car4love.

Like I said, I'll be discussing this with my attorney as soon as I can, but I'm not sure how to approach the problem.

GC

Your atty will know how to handle it.

If I were you I would put it out of mind, let the atty's deal with it.

It is hurtful to you, I am sure. This is why you need to put it to rest in your head.

gc:

Years ago, when I was on a special interest email list, there was a guy there that could tell the most amazing stories about his personal experiences relevant 2 the list.

One day, the owner of the list wanted 2 compile the best of the threads and publish them. The storyteller said he wouldn't give him permission, as they were his stories. The list owner claimed they were his, as the storyteller posted them to his privately-owned list. The storyteller threatened 2 sue if he published the stuff, citing his lawyer saying that even though he'd posted his stories 2 a private email list, he had an unwritten copyright on their distribution. The threads with the stories weren't published in the end.

I would think that your lawyer could use a similar argument. Your emails should be yours, regardless of who's computer they were on.

-ol' 2long

I agree with 2long. I think the short term easy thing to do would be to have the lawyer contact the ISP, get it switched back to you, copy it, and delete it. A mail from the Lawyer outlining your position usually gets their attention.

If it is a mega corp ISP, they may ignore it.

SS

GC,

Just dropped in to your thread again... sorry to hear things are not going so well for you lately. I had thought you were feeling pretty good last time I stopped by. My thoughts are with you - hoping you can make something good out of the holidays.

You are so busy taking the high road that I wonder if you are taking care of yourself as well as you should. Time to take care of GC, me thinks.

Sounds like we all could use another party... Cerri?

2long, how are things up there in SF? Last time I was there, sparrow and I rented a convertible and drove through Marin County, up to Point Reyes. On the way back we drove across the bridge with the top down. That part was cold, but it was a great day.

DV, I'm having an awful time letting go, but I'm feeling okay. Just very ambivalent. I still haven't all the way accepted that I'm getting divorced. You could call it hope, or you could call it not standing up against someone who has hurt me.

But don't worry about me; I'm looking out for myself first.

I can't get through how it will be for the sparrow. I can't see a way out for her. If she has a long-term relationship with OM, it will always be an affair. I can't see a way for them to launder it. Car4love will always be there. The children will be there. And if anybody ever asks them how they met, they won't be able to tell the truth.

If the affair ends, and sparrow and I are divorced anyway, lets say she meets an entirely new person. Again, when she explains the end of her marriage, she'll have to lie, or look like a villain.

So looking at it from her perspective, there is no way to be free.

I want to help her. But it has a condition, and she doesn't want that.

So I see her stuck with a nasty burden forever.

But humans being adaptable, I also reckon she can probably go on that way, and just be diminished.

It all makes me sad, and it's hard to accept that she would choose the dead-end path.

But I can't stop her from choosing it, and I have to let her go. I'm trying. I tell myself all the time that I must. And I will, in time.

I know I deserve better. But part of me still believes in her.

I'm not a fast griever, I suppose. And I'm tenacious.

GC