I'm happy for her, and for you. Aren't you glad we have daughters? I can't imagine a world without little girls. Well you are blessed with a son as well, but I don't know what that is like.

I personally can't wait for the grandbabies. I just want to hold a baby in my arms again. You can't very well ask some stranger on the street if you can hold their baby for awhile. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Do you remember when both our daughters were having a hard time? P's dad at one point pulled her out of cheerleading over her grades and I was so mad I took him to court. He told me last weekend that he has worked less with P on her school work this year than he ever has in the past (two little ones, full hands) and she has done extraordinarily well. She has it in her head she wants to be in the FBI, and I had taken her over to customs and we gathered lots of info on the various depts and what the requirements are...so I think that was part of her leverage.

Cinders You're getting way too deep for me now with the differences between the soul and the spirit. Yikes! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

2long, I tried to read a book on Christian Scientists once and couldn't understand it. I finally decided it must be for scientists and trashed it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

TT, I always wished you posted more here. We are kind of like soul sisters, I think. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Amazing Weaver! My DD talks on and off about wanting to be an FBI agent or some sort of detective. Maybe too much "Without A Trace" or "Law and Order" episodes LOL. Yep, I barely help with homework this year. Her work ethic has greatly improved and her overall attitude is just wonderful. I am so impressed with her, while so many girls are chasing boys or wearing skimpy clothing she is following her faith.

This conversation is just crying out for me to join in, so here I am!

Firstly Cinders, you know I always come last on the Trivia quiz whenever it's about religion. Waaaay too deep for me but if you ever find the answer, I'd love to know.

Weaver & Faith, if I can just share the stage for a moment as a proud mum. My eldest achieved 4A* and 5A grades for her GCSEs. She scored 100% on one paper. Her school is a high achieving environment and she fits right in. Next week she'll receive an award for her excellent results and I have actually booked two seats for the ceremony because her dad will come too. He missed out two years ago when she got a similar award because she didn't want him there (nor did I). This week I found out her best friend since age 8 dropped out of school. I know how easy it would have been for Liv to be dragged down with her (she smokes, sluts and does drugs) but she has kept out of her way the past year and I am so thankful. L did dye her hair black and she did pierce her ear at the top, both things I'm not thrilled about, but in the big scheme of things, so far I've been a lucky lady. Tonight she volunteered to clean out cages at the vets. She's a good girl.

Incidentally, my daughter has spoken about becoming a CSI! Wonder where she got that idea.

Wow you guys, we just rock! Oh, and our kids rock too. They're rockettes, chips off the ole block.

I am so thankful that these girls have high profile job, ethical, smart, powerful role models on TV. The best thing about girls aspiring for a position with the Feds is that when they look at the requirements they can easily see that they really have to be achievers. When we were young girls remember who our role models were? Bewitched, That Girl, Mary Tyler Moore, I Dream of Jeanie, PettyCoat Junction... it's a miracle I ever got a job at all. I'm surprised I didn't spend the last twenty years trying to twitch my nose to get the house cleaned and dinner on the stove. LOL

I am so glad our kids are doing well. I know Appy's son will turn back around and find his place, too. I keep thinking of him and sending positive vibes his way.

Woo hoo, TT! That is fabulous! Well Weaver MTM and That Girl had jobs and Mary did NOT need a man in her life, LOL. Heck I am still trying to twitch my house clean. Darn!

I didn't know about Appy having trouble with his son. I will pray for him.

I just got all warm and fuzzy remembering I Dream of Jeanie. I really loved that program. If all the above sounds a bit like bragging, well, the twins give me a major reality check. They are so different. One has dyslexia but tries so hard and the other just can't be bothered. We have a real mixed bag to deal with.

Well that makes it interesting TT. Really must stretch your creativity. LOL

Appy wasn't having trouble with his son, I think they have a great R, but he was worried about his lack of enthusiasm since the trauma with his mom. I think.

How about Mary Ann on Gilligans Island? What was her skill, other than being in love with the Prof. Heck Ginger had an acting skill.

And the Flying Nun was pure fantasy, too.

My role model was a healer who lived in the woods and healed the animals. Kind of a beautiful witch.

MTM and a job, but she was in a subservient role as a secretary or assistant, or something like that.

I can't think of any doctors or scientists or anything even close, as women on TV when we were growing up.

If you were lucky enough to be able to sing or become a movie star, there were role models in those industries, but that seemed so far away too me, I never would have aspired to become one.

I remember when Heart first came out, and the sister who played guitar but didn't sing...it was like Wow, a female musician in a rock band who doesn't sing. Too cool. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well I guess we did have the occasional school teacher or nurse, but that pretty much is all I can think of.

weaver, believe me, I tried 2 read the books 2. And the more I tried and the more I grew up, and especially as I became a real scientist, the less I could understand it either! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

-ol' 2long

FF:

Last time I heard, Appy JR was still having problems in school, but that he and his dad get along pretty well.

I think it's your positive thoughts...

-ol' 2long

TV chicks?

Well, not that many years ago, it was Amanda Pays in her role on "Max Headroom". Wow, what a plate!

Before that, way back, it was Heather Menzies in the TV series "Logan's Run." S2pid version of the movie, which was a so-so version of the book, which was a goofy story 2 begin with. Funny, I don't have the same tastes I had back then. I wonder what I was thinking! (OT: imdb shows a remake of the movie in production)

And even before that, it was Jill Townsend in "Cimmaron Strip".

Before that, it was Debbie in my 4th grade class in Ohio. She was one of the girls I had a crush on that was so hopeless that I almost never said anything 2 her!

And the first was Nancy... Ah, lovely Nancy! I can't even remember her last name or what she looked like. In first grade, I used 2 catch butterflies for her out on the playground. ...some of them, I even told her about and GAVE 2 her!

musta been "true love."

-ol' 2long

2long, we are not talking about childhood crushes, we are talking about female role models on TV. Boys! Geesh.

But since you brought it up.

Kindergarten...little black boy who had the brightest, easiest smile I ever laid eyes on.

Third grade...little geeky looking boy with coke bottle glasses in my church youth group.

Seventh grade...DONNY OSMOND all the way.

High School...Steven Tyler, from Aerosmith, the absolute love of my life who kept me company many a grounded to my bedroom nights. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> He was like this artistic, sexy, animalistic creature. I still get goose bumps just...oh never mind. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I very rarely got crushes, imaginary or otherwis. Unlike my daughter. Wow, she is doing well, but she still likes the boys a little too much for a mothers comfort.

I forgot!!!

Yvette Mimeux in George Pal's version of "The Time Machine"

WOW!

-ol' 2long

I crack up whenever I see Steve Tyler in an interview or music video.

When I was "young" (making the assumption, of course, that I ever was!), I hated hard rock music - preferred what was later called "avant garde" (like King Crimson! YEAH!).

Over the years, though, I've come appreciate it more, even if I don't necessarily seek it out. And I've come 2 appreciate Tyler more. (I just made myself laugh, thinking of ways 2 phrase that 2 still say the same thing, but include "mary" or "merry" in front of Tyler somehow...)

Anyway, I find him very interesting as a person. Loved the Video they did 25 years or so ago with Run DMC of "Walk this way". Brilliant!

But he still looks really, really funny 2 me. Even more so than Mick Jagger. ...how the heck did he manage 2 produce Liv?

Now, there's another one! Liv Tyler!

-ol' 2long

Raquel Welch wearing nothing but a leather Colt holster and Mexican poncho in Bandolero.

Shirley Jones in the Music Man

Barbara Carrera as Clay Basket (or any other role) in Centennial.

And the old favorites:

Barbra Eden as Jennie and Dawn Wells as Mary Ann

Raquel Welch is STILL a knockout!

bu,t if I were a man it would have been Sophia Loren. Now that is one gorgeous woman. "Houseboat" with Bogie? Summer Vacation with Jimmy Stewart. I think that is what it was called. She is still beautiful, and very much the Italian wife.



Now you're talkin' 2long! Liv is absolutely the female version of Steven. Can't you see it?

If only I could have gotten back-stage passes I would have married that guy. LOL especially after he gave up drugs, and became a one woman man. Oh Yes!

Ahhhh yes...Weena in her pink terry cloth. Very nice.

The original prototype for the modern dumb blond.

Dianna Rigg as Emma Peel. In leather of course.

Audrey Hepburn as Holly Golightly.

Oh, for heavens sake, Chrisner. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Where did the girls on this thread go???? Come on girls, look what these two are doing to our female role model discussion.

Okay...

Johnny Dep in his pirate costume. emmmmemmmgood!

Oh heck, Johnny Dep in anything will do. Or nothing. LOL

Nicholas Cage's arms and smile and voice

John Travolta (oh mother, yes).

Kheanu Reaves, his bottom...from any angle.

Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull, on stage playing the flute

Will Smith, oh yes mama! definately wearing a smile.

Sting, playing floor bass.

Andrea Bocelli, standing in the middle of an Italian Square wearing a white neck sash and singing Romanza'.

Oh lord... vapors.

Emma Peel would have kicked Morlock butt.

I like my W in home movies much better than any one I have ever seen anywhere else. I bet I always will.

She still gives me goosebumps after 30 years.

SS

Weaver, I still love Donny Osmond, it wasn't just "Puppy Love" for me. He is still gorgeous, he's funny, faithful and he loves purple. What more could a girl want? He was definitely the pick of the bunch.