Robby - have you asked her out - without the baby? like a date?!? or just for coffee?!? just to talk?!?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by brown:
<strong> Robby - have you asked her out - without the baby? like a date?!? or just for coffee?!? just to talk?!? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, I have, several times. Not since she moved out. She said she's not ready for that. She is coming over tomorrow to watch the Ohio State / Michigan game, but her sister, her husband and 4yo are coming too.

It's gonna sound stupid but for a couple of months now - when LINY asked me what he could do for me and to help the situation - I keep hearing that sappy song from the 80's -what was it???? "find a hundred ways" -
"maybe she's had it on her mind
that she's been wasting her time ......
if it's violins she loves , let them play "
and I think of the MB Principles ... but it does make you think "how do we get passed all this and have a better M than before?" I know we have to identify our EN's and try our best to fulfill those EN's for each other - but what happens when you don't know what your EN's are? B/c after everything - I don't even really know my name - I can't be sure about anything. I get happy when LINY shows me he still loves me - but I get upset whenever I think (just whenever I think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> )

I don't know ifthat helps - but I sure had a little rant huh?

Back to you Robby

<small>[ November 19, 2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: brown ]</small>

I would call that a good first practical step. (Having her over to the house)

She will be in your house. So, no relationship talk, just a good Plan A. Have you identified her needs? Obviously, financial support is right up there as it seems your job has been a big stumbling block for her. Affection? Admiration? Conversation? Recreational companionship? Openness and honesty? Domestic support? Family support? SF? An attractive spouse?

What was missing that made her leave in the end? And I don't mean that she said she hasn't loved you - that's just a symptom of unmet needs.

Jen

<small>[ November 19, 2004, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: KiwiJ. ]</small>

Well I can't sleep worth a nickel ( eating a Chicken Jalfrezi too late at night !).

Hey Mr Mayor, sorry you are suffering mate. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

"Ain't no sunshine when she's gone..."

Be funny, confident Robbie when you see her, not the 'Oh f'k I'm staggered by how sad I am' Robby.

Thats the one that'll remind her of her love for you IMO.

Think of you mate {{{robby}}}

All you idiots havea WONDERFUL weekend!I'm driving through the snow to decommission our holiday home for the winter in a few hours ! Should be fun ( NOT!) then hopefully home in time to watch England Play South Africa at Rugby.

* Swing low sweet chariot ...*

( no idea why but thats the crown song of the England team. Quite why English public schoolboys who started rugby would choose a negro spiritual as their song I dunno !!!!!!!!!!)

" Father God, hear the prayer of this sinner. Pour happiness and lightness of heart into ALL these idiots Lord God, grant them respite from troubles and the knowledge that you are always near, even when sadness and pain looms. For you are our God: our Holy Father. Amen "

{{{{idiots}}}}

Is there something special she likes to eat or drink for snacking during the game ... maybe you could pick it up???

Should I be wary of Kiwi's advice.

This isn't normal in NZ is it?

Mother who breastfeeds pup 'didn't want to waste it'

18.11.2004


A woman says she is breastfeeding her staffordshire bull terrier pup because she wants the dog to protect her baby girl as the pair grow up.

Hastings resident Kura "Kat" Tumanako said she started breastfeeding the pup after her own baby stopped taking her milk and she had to pour her milk away.

"I didn't want to waste it, so I gave it to Honey Boy," she said.

The pup has been having two feeds a day for the past week.

Ms Tumanako said she would probably wean the puppy in six weeks.

Her baby, Honey Pauline Philomina Flo, was born on August 29 and is now on bottled milk.

"I wanted to raise it [the pup] with my baby," Ms Tumanako said yesterday. "I wanted to bring it up with a baby. It will protect her as they grow up."

The pup came from a litter of 10.

"He drinks more than the baby. It doesn't hurt, but it's a little bit ticklish," she said.

Ms Tumanako, who is pregnant again, said she did not care what people thought about her breastfeeding the pup.

"It's my life, my responsibility. I make my own choices," she said. "I'm going to look after me, my baby and my puppy."

Hastings veterinarian Sharon Marshall said it was uncommon, but not unheard of, for one species to provide milk to another.

"But from a veterinarian viewpoint it's always better for any species to have its own milk.

"If a ***** was available that would have been better."

Ms Marshall said she knew of instances where a sow gave milk to puppies and dogs gave milk to cats, but she had not heard of a human breastfeeding another species.

"It's not going to hurt the puppy," she said. "I would be more concerned for hygiene issues for any baby sharing the milk."

Victoria University associate professor of anthropology Jeff Sissons said women from Papua New Guinea hill tribes breastfed pigs, but he had not heard of any other instance of a human breastfeeding another species.

The national president for the SPCA, Peter Mason, said nothing in the Animal Welfare Act that applied specifically to a case like this, but he had some concerns that the dog could develop long-term behavioural issues.

"It doesn't sound like the animal is suffering. It's not a cruelty thing as such," Mr Mason said.

The director of La Leche League, a support organisation for breastfeeding mothers, Rosemary Gordon, said she had heard of cases involving mothers giving their milk to household pets or sick or elderly relatives, but she felt the matter was "beyond the league's area of expertise".

- NZPA

Brown, your needs are your needs whether you can identify them or not.

They are just there. They are part of being human.

You and LINY should do the questionnaires on the main site.

They really help.

Jen

OMG, Robby, where did you find THAT????????? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

It was in the paper the other day and we all shook our heads and said WTF!!!!!!!

There was a funny cartoon in the paper the next day with a dog getting a college degree and saying "I'm so clever because I was breastfed as a baby."

Somebody also wrote a letter to the editor saying "it's just not natural using another species milk." and someone replied "don't you ever drink cow's milk?"

Do I detect a little avoidance of the topic at hand here. Hmmmmmmmmmm. (Yoda like)

Jen

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ.:
<strong> What was missing that made her leave in the end? And I don't mean that she said she hasn't loved you - that's just a symptom of unmet needs.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm not sure...

It seemed like she wouldn't let me need any of her needs...

OK, I can understand this. You mean if you were affectionate, she'd brush you off or if you suggested going somewhere together she wouldn't be interested.

The next stage of meeting someone's needs is knowing how THEY like their needs to be met. My H's way of showing affection is a hair ruffle or a friendly tease. My way of wanting affection is hand holding or putting his arm round me when we're out, or a kiss.

Which, I BELIEVE, brings us to the 5 languages of love book which I haven't read but sounds like it covers this stuff.

Jen

Good evening I'ville!

Hey Mr. Mayor... Richard Cranium... hmmmm Richard or [censored]... Cranium... brain or head...

OOOOOOOhhhh.... now I get it! My W always said I was slow... he he he...

How's the nightshift doing this evening?

Nightshift is doing fine thanks RIF. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Pleased to see you here.

Did you see what a lovely thing GC did?

Jen

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ.:
<strong> Nightshift is doing fine thanks RIF. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Pleased to see you here.

Did you see what a lovely thing GC did?

Jen </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi Jen - I must have missed it... what's GC up to?... Oh, and how are you doing today?

OK, ., been waiting for over two hours for your response!

Hiya Idiots.

YL, if you actually get to read this on Monday after a weekend of posts!:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">UGH - really didn't want to go there today, so I'll shorten it and get to the point - the faith, as I said, I've reached the point it has to be just blind faith. Total trust that God knows my future, and that He is in control. That no matter what comes my way, it is NOT taking Him by surprise - He knows everytime the devil wants to harm us, and if He didn't allow it, it would never happen. I have more faith and trust in God, than in my H, just because I believe that if this M is going to work, then He will have to be the center of it, and if for some reason it doesn't, then I will still have Him - He will never leave me nor forsake me...He causes the sun to come up every morning, and the moon and stars to shine at night...surely He can handle my marriage too.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So true, YL.

But please please remember: even though He knows or future, we make choices to steer through to our destiny.

{{YL}}

OK...sorry to hit and run...3:30 already!

(Hey, Bob...thought about you while I was at he11 today! Got a ten pence back in my change--supposed to be a quarter. Boy, you guys over the puddle are worse than what's looming over our heads!)

Have a great weekend, everyone! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Hey LINY - Are you still around? or is it just us idiots on the other side of the world???

Hey I started page 94... isn't there a prize for starting a new page???

***RIF looks around, but nobody's there...***

Good Morning Idiotville!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Any other idiots working on the morning weekend crew???

BTW, I thought I'd change my screen name since everybody else is doing it! he he he...

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Morning Mr. Mayor!