I've asked several friends the following questions and have never gotten an answer from any of them. So I thought I'd throw it out there for you to ponder!

"How many bad things does a good person have to do - before they are considered a bad person"?

And conversely:

"How many good things does a bad person have to do - before they are considered a good person"?

Please don't get caught up in the labels. It's the non-PC intent that I'm after.

FR <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> "How many bad things does a good person have to do - before they are considered a bad person"? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't think it is really a matter of quantity, but more a matter of severity. a "good" person will do many "bad" things, but they cvan be relatively minor, and thus retain the title of a "good person". In the same respect WW was a "good person" and the minor bad things never bothered me, but since the A, I now look at her as a "bad person" and it will be a long time before that changes.

Hope this helps

Hey FR+

In the military we have a saying.... One Aw Sh*t will wipe out 10 Atta' Boys

Not sure how many Atta' Boys have it takes to wipe out one Aw Sh*t....

Semper Fi,
RIF

LOL, RIF good answer. FR, I think it is the intent behind the bad/good things that make the person. Always keeping in mind that people can and do change by the good Grace of God.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">FR, I think it is the intent behind the bad/good things that make the person. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">FF: I'm glad you brought this point up as it's been discussed in our "former" marriage before. Prior to M; I agreed with you, however what happens when the "good intentions" are in reality - bad? WXW's A was not done with "bad intentions" according to her. "It just happened, there was no malice intended and God wants me to be happy"! Do you see the catch-22? WXW desired for her "actions" to be considered honorable because she did not intend to commit A; it just happened!

FR

oh, but FR I wouldn't go by the word of a fogged up WS. I would take quite a while for your WW to see that while she thinks the A just "happened" that very intentional actions were behind it. I was talking about non A related actions BTW. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

It doesn't matter if someone's intentions are not bad, because the consequence of the action is all the judgment you need. Now, do you learn from this experience? A good person learns and grows. Maybe this good person has a lot to learn, but they're learning.

When asked why he portrayed Satan—an androgynous, almost beautiful being played by Rosalinda Celentano—the way he did in The Passion of Christ, Gibson replied: "I believe the Devil is real, but I don't believe he shows up too often with horns and smoke and a forked tail. The devil is smarter than that. Evil is alluring, attractive. It looks almost normal, almost good—but not quite.

"That's what I tried to do with the Devil in the film. The actor's face is symmetric, beautiful in a certain sense, but not completely. For example, we shaved her eyebrows. Then we shot her almost in slow motion so you don't see her blink—that's not normal. We dubbed in a man's voice in Gethsemane even though the actor is a woman … That's what evil is about, taking something that's good and twisting it a little bit."

Well, I think love in an affair is an example of what evil does, it takes something that is good and twists it. It's not quite right. If you're guided by your feelings, feelings consecrates that little twist. The sin is acceptable because God wants me to be happy. AKA: My feelings come from God.

When you live an unconscious life, you've been taught to follow your feelings. You will be good or bad based on opportunities you face and how you feel in the moment because you unconditionally trust your guide. Ironically, the deceit of following your feelings is that following our feelings doesn't bring us happiness in the end.

Someone tag line says: "The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for what you want right now." Zig Ziglar.

Happiness is the result of living with a greater purpose, where as the quest for happiness is usually as successful as a rat chasing it's tale. So yes, God wants you to be happy. Happy because you love Him and follow him- not happy because you love the OP and follow them.

This was fun to think about. So, let me know if there are holes in my essay cause I wouldn't mind thinking about this some more.

Very good post, Loy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Well done Loy! What an awesome movie that was. Thanks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
FR

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It doesn't matter if someone's intentions are not bad, because the consequence of the action is all the judgment you need. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Also; the consequences (actions) of a person(s)are all that any of us can see, feel, etc.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe this good person has a lot to learn, but they're learning. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That would be the hope!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When you live an unconscious life, you've been taught to follow your feelings. You will be good or bad based on opportunities you face and how you feel in the moment because you unconditionally trust your guide. Ironically, the deceit of following your feelings is that following our feelings doesn't bring us happiness in the end. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is true; I’ve lived it. However; in the case of those who “follow their feelings”; couldn’t that action be considered an addiction? “I am addicted to following my feelings…” And as we know; addictions are by & large – rarely a good thing!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Happy because you love Him (the Lord)and follow him… </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">…And follow his guidelines – the word!

FR