Ahhh alas a topic I know something about.

I was brought up christian, and there was a time.....a LONG time that I considered myself Wiccan, but let me tell you, I was as bad a Wiccan as I was a christian, I really and truly believed in nothing.

The Wiccan religion, in and of itself, is not BAD, their concept is do as you will, but harm none. Even in the spells they do, they make sure that whatever they are trying to do would not harm anyone, or take away free will.

Now, that being said....I am not Wiccan, and I believe that my crisis with my marriage was indeed because my life was not dedicated to the Lord. I don't know what else could have gotten my attention. I am now saved, and know that Jesus Christ is lord.

I harbor no ill will towards any other religion, and I would not cease going to a MC because of their religious affiliation. The example given earlier of the couple kneeling down and praying was quite lovely, and I believe that it was probably very helpful.....but, if you were going to a counselor that was Wiccan I guarantee you they would not have you pray to any Wiccan god. They actually have many gods/goddesses, and no 2 wiccans necessarily pray to the same one....so I don't think that particular problem would even arise.

If you are going to a christian based MC, then I am sure that God is prevalent in the help you receive, if you are going to a regular MC (Which I am not a huge fan of) the topic of religion would probably not even come up.

I plan on going to my pastor for MC...I think anyway...that's what I'm thinking right now, since all the other IC's I've had were just the worst.

Okay, so was this all rambling?? LOL

I just wanted to say that I'm sure Cerri is a FANTASTIC coach, regardless of her religious affiliation....it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

I love everyone equally.

As far as only Christians going to heaven. I don't know, I believe the way to heaven is through Christ, so I don't know how else you'd get there if not by being Christian.

-Caren

I don't mind threadjacks or even threads being closed! We need to support each other in trying to understand the mess our marriages have gotten into.

What I've heard Harley say on his radio show is that Christians tend to get advice about saving their marriages that isn't too helpful. How's this from my pastor: "You have to forgive him." OK, he broke my arm 12 days after I had a hyterectomy, I forgive him for that and approximately 50 other instances of physical abuse, including pressing down on my forehead so hard that I still have a lump 7 years later. He then flaunts a relationship with another woman and when I expose the affair the problem is that I need to forgive him? NOOOOOO... There was a lot more to it than that.

I saw in the Wall Street Journal last week an editorial about the Supreme Court hearing if the 10 commandments should be posted. The writer suggested quoting from Jesus about six rules of living, including "Thou shalt not commit adultery." The pain of adultery is severe no matter what religion the person practices and that's why MB is here for us to help each other.

I would like to know if cerri can still post and how she is doing.

Cherished

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I would like to know if cerri can still post and how she is doing.

Cherished
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Cerri does not frequent this website. You may be able to find out more on her website SYMC or inquire with starfish. The Village

Cherished,

You are right. I said it above with the kid that got the teaching at his church that being black was wrong.

Does the Christian faith teach us to forgive? absolutely. But forgiveness does not mean condoning. Forgiveness does not mean staying in an abusive relationship. Forgiveness is for you, not for the person hurting you. All forgiveness is you releasing that person from your judgement and your right to exact restitution. That's it. It doesnt mean they get to continue to do what they were doing.

So, whomever told you that is wrong. Unfortunately, just like many other things in this world, there are many people out there professing they are speaking the truth...but are telling lies. And the worse are the ones telling lies in Jesus' name.

Jesus never professes that you stay there and take a beating. Scripture is very clear on how to handle that...and so called forgiveness that this guy was talking about is NOT a Christian tenet.

Oh, and I too wonder how Cerri is doing. I hope everythign is fine. I am sure the dust has settled on this and she has probably now formulated her plan of action.

In His arms.

Surely the teacher, never for a second, meant being a black person was bad.
No No, the little child must have misunderstood what the teacher was trying to say about the color black being 'evil'.

I feel confident she was referring to the blackness of sin.

Here is an example:
"I was a child. I remember the day as though it happened yesterday. I was in the Junior girls Sunday School Class. Mrs. Thomas was our teacher. She had this lesson on sin.
She used a black heart and a white heart and said that Jesus could change our black heart of sin to a heart that was white as snow."

cherished, thanks for your kind understanding about your thread to cerri being 'hi-jacked'...Why not go ahead and start it over again?

Caren, what a wonderful testimony you have.

And mortarman, thanks for continuing giving your sage advice.

Hi to ba, did you check if cerri was posting on that site?

Sincerely, Julie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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