W.G.A.S?

stands for

who _ gives _ a _ sh****** ?

that's "shilling" of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

I always felt sorry for Charles and Diana. The whole relationship was under false pretenses. He couldn't marry the person he loved because she was not good enough or not a virgin or didn't want to. How unfortunate that Diana did have the qualifications. Not very 20th century. Other monarches are waking up to the marriage but choice thing.

I think William and Harry will be understanding about Camillia. It's been a few years since their mom's death and they are well on their way to adulthood. Remember Charle's great-uncle the Duke of Windsor did give up the throne for the woman he loved. I'm sure Charles saw the precedent and the consequences of that. Maybe he would have done differently if he'd known his mom was going to rule for so long.

Maybe he'll pass the throne on to his son. Better that than being like Queen Victoria's oldest son.

Obviously not enough people, Pep...or the media wouldn't be touting this as such a "love story".

In the immortal words of Bill the Cat:

"Oop! Ack! Gag!"

Well, I think the whole mess has a moral to it:

Be careful which prince you kiss; he might turn out to be a FROG!"

I don't feel sorry for Charles one bit in regard to his "not being allowed to marry Camilla" when he was young. He's a wuss. I DO feel sorry for Diana, in that she apparently thought she was marrying for love, and instead was simply being used to produce a suitable heir and a spare.

I hate to think what kind of specimens Charles and Camilla would have produced! That's probably the REAL reason Mama frowned on the relationship! One ugly prince is enough, don't you think? LOL! He HAD to marry a beautiful woman!

<small>[ February 10, 2005, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Lady Clueless ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Pepperband:
<strong> W.G.A.S?

stands for

who _ gives _ a _ sh****** ?

that's "shilling" of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I give a **** and I'll tell you why.

Folsk will look at this and think 'well they found true love at last" when in fact this affair destroyed many lives.

Imagine Squid gradually coming around to feeling that her affair wasn;t a great love story after all but was a self-serving fantasy. She'll read this and think "I could have had a fairy tale with OM too * sigh *".

Its the fairytale ending that NO affair deserves IMO and is very public indeed.

<small>[ February 11, 2005, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Justuss ]</small>

***W.G.A.S?
stands for
who _ gives _ a _ sh****** ?
that's "shilling" of course
Pep***

Well -- I do, for one --

I've always been very interested in the RF (royal family,) even if I am an American. My ancestry is English by way of Ireland, so I'm sorta like one of the grandkids. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

And aside from that -- we might want to give a sh(illing) because rightly or wrongly, people like the future King of England are very powerful role models for a LOT of other people. The way the prince/king behaves sends a subtle message to the rest of us about what's okay and what's not.

Not that my opinion matters since I'm not a British subject, but "Prince" Charles's behavior towards his young wife was about as cold and callous and selfish as it gets. He knew Diana was head-over-heels for him, and that she believed he loved her too, but he went into the marriage with no more love for her than a maid to be hired to work in Buckingham Palace. He was not marrying a woman he loved -- he was hiring a mother for his heirs. She may as well be called a surrogate, because to him that's clearly all she was.

If he'd had an ounce of backbone he would have stood up to Mummy and insisted on marrying Camilla way back then, instead of moping and whining and waiting until the proper little mouse was found for him to marry (so they thought.) Diana's life was ruined in the process and SHE got the blame for it.

I have a number of friends here in the U.S. who are Anglophiles and Royal-watchers. Virtually all of them blame Diana for the problems in the marriage -- "Look at her, she's emotional and crazy. No wonder poor Charles has to look elsewhere." What they fail to understand was that the situation was quite the opposite -- "Look at him, he has another woman in his life. No wonder poor Diana is emotional and crazy."

Sound familiar?

And what a tremendous slap in the face to the late Princess Margaret, younger sister of the queen, who was not allowed to marry the man *she* loved because he had been divorced (and well before he met Margaret, to the best of my knowledge.)

I'm no princess, but I identified with Diana for a long time and felt I understood what she was going through. And no, I don't think her death was just a random accident. The chase through the Paris streets may just have been meant as a warning, but she died just the same, and oh, my, such a shame, but things *are* ever so much more peaceful now she's gone, aren't they?

She got in the way. She wouldn't go quietly. And now she's dead and her "prince" of a husband finally gets to marry his girlfriend. How nice for them.

Take away the royal aspect, and you have nothing more than a very, very common happening. We see it here on the boards every day. And no, not every BS dies in the literal sense, but many of them do die figuratively and emotionally, and are ignored and forgetten and shoved aside so that
they may as well be dead and gone.

Their sordid little story happens every day. It's just that theirs is on the world stage for everyone to see, and magnifies the stories that happen to the rest of us.
Mulan

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Lady Clueless:
<strong> I DO feel sorry for Diana, in that she apparently thought she was marrying for love, and instead was simply being used to produce a suitable heir and a spare.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I do not feel too sorry for Diana because I think she was a bit of a fruitcake herself. I think if she had not thrown her hystrionic(sic) fits like throwing herself down the stairs while pregnant or cutting herself with a lemon zester OR made all those hang up phone calls to a MM she might have been able to win Charles over.

She married too young IMHO and that pretty much doomed them.

The whole lot of them behaved badly.

"What is your opinion of this?"

I give them a 1-3% chance of being 2gether 5 years from now.

OR

I give the UK populace a 1-3% chance of having successful relationships for more than 5 years at a time.

My W and I were watching that story on the news this AM. It was interesting watching her reactions (such as they were).

What clearly should have happened all those years ago, is that they should have gone NC for the rest of their lives when the first got involved with someone else (way before choosing 2 marry).

The M 2 Princess Di was doomed for the very reasons she was quoted saying in taped interviews shown this am.

Similarly Camilla's M was doomed.

The whole episode reveals both the new bride and groom 2 be rather shallow people with seriously flawed moral compasses.

Role models for 2ples in the UK? Gawd, no.

-ol' 2long

Ok...people tell me I look like Princess Di......if I were really her I would be ******!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I think it's repulsive!!!! Since I look like her and my H left me for OW..I think I will start calling the OW, Camilla. LOL!!!!

<small>[ February 10, 2005, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: Justuss ]</small>

double post

<small>[ February 10, 2005, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: TreeReich* ]</small>

What I recall is that the 'C' OW ( <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ) stunk!

Now here's another thought from a 'different angle'. If Charles and C really 'loved' and respected each other, they would have kept their emotions along with their clothing in check. I don't see this as a love affair but as a lust affair. One that Charles has been able to get away with for years. So he is going t/b married to her and the lust need will diminish greatly, maybe completely. Why? Because the reason for the lust is gone. C is no longer a challenge. She is a taken woman.

C is stupid to think that all this done on both their parts is for love. No she is either more stupid than she looks or a very evil woman. None of which enhances her appearance.

So does he get t/b king and head of the Church of England? Or is it one and not the other? I thought that job was a dual one? I thought Prince William was going to inherit the throne directly from his gramdmama Q. E.?

Royalty or not, A's stink. The hurt is just at a more public level. Doesn't make it easier for the innocent ones. Diana is dead, no thanks to Charles and C. Let them live with that nad have a happy M. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

No M celebration for those 2 from this end of the Pacific. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

L.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 2long:
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Role models for 2ples in the UK? Gawd, no.

-ol' 2long </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think they are role models....role models for bad behaviour...

Role models for what NOT to do! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Supposedly, Charles can never become king because he divorced. Or at least that's what I've heard (though not recently). Supposedly, his oldest son is heir to the throne.

edited to add. Just found out I was wrong. Charles is still inline to be King.

"William is second in line for the throne of England. He will become King after the death of Prince Charles ... or if Prince Charles is passed over for some reason."

<small>[ February 10, 2005, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: Recovering H ]</small>

Role models for 2ples in the UK? Gawd, no.


Well....My Squid chose an affair with a similarly unemployed, old, serially unfaithful ugly wastrel, so perhaps Charles is a sort of aspirational figure <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> My Squid chose an affair with a similarly unemployed, old, serially unfaithful ugly wastrel, so perhaps Charles is a sort of aspirational figure </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Yeah - I hate to admit it - but mine was 10 years older, unemployed, married but serially unfaithful, very ugly, I could go on and on. Its funny cause at the time, I saw myself that way and so to me OM wasn't so bad. Now that my self esteen is coming back I see how much better I am than that. makes me want to puke

bob~

What do you mean by he will someday be the leader of the "whole protestant faith"?

I've never heard of such a thing.

Do you mean he'd be considered the leader of one particular denomination within the protestant faith?

I should have said " church of England", sorry.

Well...actually you did...then followed it up with the whole protestant faith as well. That's why I asked earlier in this thread. Thanks for clarifying that. :-)

And, given that a 60 something woman gave birth recently, they could still breed.

(just stirring the pot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> )

I don't see how "time" makes this anything but a union based on adultery.

I find it amazing how these two infidels think because so much time has passed that no one remembers they are both adulterers. Just amazing.