And then can someone please tell me this marriage has exactly what significance to two people, neither of whom has any respect for marriage to begin with?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by stilltuff:
<strong> And then can someone please tell me this marriage has exactly what significance to two people, neither of whom has any respect for marriage to begin with? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well sheeesh Stilltuff, don't you know .. they were always meant to be and are soul mates. Just ask 'em. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I don't have time to read all, but I think that she will never be accepted because she was the OW. I think their relationship has a better chance of survival because they met and dated before either was married (is that true?). They turn my stomach as a couple. I just think of that innocent 19 year old getting married to that man. Just shows how selfish the MM can be. ARGH! I can't stand them.

Bob:

"I should have said " church of England", sorry."

Or maybe instead:

"Church of the Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship"

But even that's taken <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

-ol' 2long

Bob, I recall watching a show with Paul Whitehouse, I think it was called, "The Fast Show" where a bunch of men were in a pub, standing around, and one of them called Camilla a Horse Faced Git....I could not get the image out of my mind that this is what Charles had chosen over the beautiful woman (both inside and out) who lies in a cold crypt. I agree with you, as leader of the Church of England Charles should represent the epitome of Christian Faith, not a cheat, a liar, and one who presents to the world his appalling lack of taste....

Their selfishness has no limit, but what do you expect from two people who have more money than sense. And while to the world these two incredible selfish, not to mention ugly people marry (as they professed they should have years ago), the guilt of the grief they caused poor Diana will forever mark their consciences. When Charles looks at his eldest, he cannot help (as he is her spitting image) see Diana. Let that Horse Face Git live with him when those images begin to haunt him.....

I am pleased that Charles and Camilla are marrying.

They have loved one another for something like 45 years.

He probably could have married a much younger and prettier woman but he chose this woman; perhaps they REALLY ARE 'soulmates'.

Camillia has put up with ladies in restaurants throwing their hot rolls at her; much scorn from many people because she was involved with Charles.

Pretty Diana was not a saint and should not be put on a pedestal. She had MANY lovers during their marriage.

Probably most all of us have divorced friends and relatives that have re-married and we don't disown or wish them UNHAPPINESS but instead we wish them the best.

I hope Charles (a widower) and Camilla (a single divorced woman) have happiness together for the rest of their lives.

Sincerely, Julie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Charles and Camilla had an affair for years - predating Diana - that destoyed two marriages, maybe one life.

The only reason Charles didn't marry her years ago is greed and desperation to hang on to his place in line to the throne. He agreed to dutifully marry Diana as he knew he could keep Camilla on the side. Cynical cake eating WS behaviour supported by his family.

Now, because her BS divorced her eventually and His W has died I do not in any way support this as this as a LOVE STORY.

This isn't a nice story of a widower and a divorcee meeting in their twilight years and having a September romance : its a vicious, enabled long term affair, that has been rewarded for its persistence by marriage.

Diana was retained as a walking womb and photo opportunity while Charles banged Camilla to the disgrace of her husband.

Some interesting views though.

75% of the public questioned in the UK are against their marriage. 99% are against Camilla becoming queen so the radio said this morning.

This doesn't belong on the A&E channel [chick flick movies], but Animal Planet, because it's about as romantic as 2 pigs rutting in the pig pen. They both deserve each other. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

IMO, Charles would rather not be the leader of the Church of England. It is, however, part of the job description he will inherit. What goes on behind those palace doors is just as seedy as elsewhere in England/the world. I choose to believe that Charles is not a bad guy and that he was manipulated into marrying Diana. The events that unfolded afterwards are so tragic and he has to live with that. She was, afterall, the mother of his sons and they loved her dearly. I feel indifferent at their marriage. I hope it is a quiet affair. TT

I don't even care so much that they're getting married -- if anybody deserves each other, it's those two -- but what *really* grates is that Camilla is going to get the title of Her Royal Highness (HRH.)

This is the title that was stripped from Diana at the divorce.

I suppose that in Camilla's case, "HRH" really stand for "Her Royal Homewrecker."
Mulan

I am pleased that Charles and Camilla are marrying.
They have loved one another for something like 45 years.
He probably could have married a much younger and prettier woman

***He did.***

but he chose this woman; perhaps they REALLY ARE 'soulmates'.

***Oh, no doubt. Too bad Diana just couldn't be as understanding about that as you are.***

Camillia has put up with ladies in restaurants throwing their hot rolls at her; much scorn from many people because she was involved with Charles.

***Most people have much scorn for women who cheat with married men. Obviously, you don't. Well, that's fine, but since that's the case why are you here at MARRIAGEbuilders?***

Pretty Diana was not a saint and should not be put on a pedestal.

***No one said she should.***

She had MANY lovers during their marriage.

***Yes -- AFTER she had produced the required children, at which time her husband completely dumped her for the OW. Diana was told she could never divorce. She was not pretending to be married while secretly keeping OM on the side.***

Probably most all of us have divorced friends and relatives that have re-married and we don't disown or wish them UNHAPPINESS but instead we wish them the best.***

I hope Charles (a widower) and Camilla (a single divorced woman) have happiness together for the rest of their lives.
Sincerely, Julie

***Well, that's just wonderful. Will you feel the same if your daughter marries a man who cheats on her throughout her marriage and then he finally ends up married to his affair partner? I'm sure you will. I'm just trying to figure out why on earth you would be interested in the MB site.***
Mulan

Charles is NO prince. Diana imho..really loved him until that royal a$$ put her thru heck. She developed insecurity issues, no doubt stemming from his continued contact with ow, Camilla. She developed eating disorders, probably trying to do all she could do to make Charles find her attractive. She probably went to the end of her rope more than one time.

It's hardly a love affair. And while Diano was not blameless and did have an affiar, her LB had been empty for probably years as she was feeling intense pain from charles' mockery of their marriage. She was the "face" of the monarchy. She was used. USED by her husband and that family.

The official title for Camilla, or as I would like her known, Camzilla, queen of thunder thighs, is The Prince's Consort. She will have no royal title other than that. She will not probably have use of HRH either. I think the monarchy would crumble if she did. It may after he marries her. And it's sad.

However...I will say this...as a BS, a woman of class, and somebody who's lived this heck..

Camilla can have her silly little "blessed" marriage. But FOREVER she will be in the shadow of the WOMAN WHO DID WEAR THE CROWN. The mother of the future King. The woman that England mourned. A lovely, vibrant mom who was devoted to her 2 sons. A woman who pulled herself up from the pit of desperation after her divorce only to reinvent herself all over again...and even better..a woman, who after being stripped of her title of HRH, only grew more loved.

When I knew D was imminent, I remembered how Diana handled that. She was one of my "divorced models". I saw how she didn't let a little thing like a title "HRH" or losing the family jewels get her down. Nope. She went to work, doing what she believed in and helping kids. When you're "stripped" of your title "mrs." as I was, I looked at that person as who I'd like to be. She became healthy, took better care of herself, and made a positive difference before she was prematurely taken by a mob of predators trying to catch a "money shot" of her and her new partner.

Camilla is nothing compared to Diana. And they actually make a lovely couple...in contrast to Diana being so much more attractive than Charles ever was. Camilla is dowdy. She looks to me somewhat man-nish. Charles wears kilts alot. I wonder who wears the pants in that affair relationship? It ain't a bedtime story with a happily ever after ending...it makes me wanna hurl.

I read your post, Bob, and the replies as my son walked out the door with the fow/w of my xh. Class counts. Trust me. I oughtta know. I had to hand my son over this morning to a woman wearing at 11 am what I consider "sleazy club attire". To pick up my child, this person, also a "Camzilla" but skinnier, wore a very tight shirt, low ride tight blue jeans, a leather biker belt, and at least five inch pointy toed bright pink stilletto shoes...just to get a child from the home of her H's former wife. Needless to say, it did NOTHING for me. I don't plan on ever quite wearing such a clothing combo...well maybe to a biker rally or something..but then I'd leave off the stilletto heels and cover up a bit with a leather jacket.

Class counts. Keep yours. Keep your wits. Either outcome for you, remember how Diana held her head up.

And no, I do not think he will be made head of the Anglican church. If that happens, I would suspect the Roman Catholic church may be inheriting some new recruits...a ton of them.

Say it loudly...CLASS COUNTS!

Charles is NO prince. Diana imho..really loved him until that royal a$$ put her thru heck. She developed insecurity issues, no doubt stemming from his continued contact with ow, Camilla. She developed eating disorders, probably trying to do all she could do to make Charles find her attractive. She probably went to the end of her rope more than one time.

It's hardly a love affair. And while Diano was not blameless and did have an affiar, her LB had been empty for probably years as she was feeling intense pain from charles' mockery of their marriage. She was the "face" of the monarchy. She was used. USED by her husband and that family.

The official title for Camilla, or as I would like her known, Camzilla, queen of thunder thighs, is The Prince's Consort. She will have no royal title other than that. She will not probably have use of HRH either. I think the monarchy would crumble if she did. It may after he marries her. And it's sad.

However...I will say this...as a BS, a woman of class, and somebody who's lived this heck..

Camilla can have her silly little "blessed" marriage. But FOREVER she will be in the shadow of the WOMAN WHO DID WEAR THE CROWN. The mother of the future King. The woman that England mourned. A lovely, vibrant mom who was devoted to her 2 sons. A woman who pulled herself up from the pit of desperation after her divorce only to reinvent herself all over again...and even better..a woman, who after being stripped of her title of HRH, only grew more loved.

When I knew D was imminent, I remembered how Diana handled that. She was one of my "divorced models". I saw how she didn't let a little thing like a title "HRH" or losing the family jewels get her down. Nope. She went to work, doing what she believed in and helping kids. When you're "stripped" of your title "mrs." as I was, I looked at that person as who I'd like to be. She became healthy, took better care of herself, and made a positive difference before she was prematurely taken by a mob of predators trying to catch a "money shot" of her and her new partner.

Camilla is nothing compared to Diana. And they actually make a lovely couple...in contrast to Diana being so much more attractive than Charles ever was. Camilla is dowdy. She looks to me somewhat man-nish. Charles wears kilts alot. I wonder who wears the pants in that affair relationship? It ain't a bedtime story with a happily ever after ending...it makes me wanna hurl.

I read your post, Bob, and the replies as my son walked out the door with the fow/w of my xh. Class counts. Trust me. I oughtta know. I had to hand my son over this morning to a woman wearing at 11 am what I consider "sleazy club attire". To pick up my child, this person, also a "Camzilla" but skinnier, wore a very tight shirt, low ride tight blue jeans, a leather biker belt, and at least five inch pointy toed bright pink stilletto shoes...just to get a child from the home of her H's former wife. Needless to say, it did NOTHING for me. I don't plan on ever quite wearing such a clothing combo...well maybe to a biker rally or something..but then I'd leave off the stilletto heels and cover up a bit with a leather jacket.

Class counts. Keep yours. Keep your wits. Either outcome for you, remember how Diana held her head up.

And no, I do not think he will be made head of the Anglican church. If that happens, I would suspect the Roman Catholic church may be inheriting some new recruits...a ton of them.

Say it loudly...CLASS COUNTS!

Charles is NO prince. Diana imho..really loved him until that royal a$$ put her thru heck. She developed insecurity issues, no doubt stemming from his continued contact with ow, Camilla. She developed eating disorders, probably trying to do all she could do to make Charles find her attractive. She probably went to the end of her rope more than one time.

It's hardly a love affair. And while Diano was not blameless and did have an affiar, her LB had been empty for probably years as she was feeling intense pain from charles' mockery of their marriage. She was the "face" of the monarchy. She was used. USED by her husband and that family.

The official title for Camilla, or as I would like her known, Camzilla, queen of thunder thighs, is The Prince's Consort. She will have no royal title other than that. She will not probably have use of HRH either. I think the monarchy would crumble if she did. It may after he marries her. And it's sad.

However...I will say this...as a BS, a woman of class, and somebody who's lived this heck..

Camilla can have her silly little "blessed" marriage. But FOREVER she will be in the shadow of the WOMAN WHO DID WEAR THE CROWN. The mother of the future King. The woman that England mourned. A lovely, vibrant mom who was devoted to her 2 sons. A woman who pulled herself up from the pit of desperation after her divorce only to reinvent herself all over again...and even better..a woman, who after being stripped of her title of HRH, only grew more loved.

When I knew D was imminent, I remembered how Diana handled that. She was one of my "divorced models". I saw how she didn't let a little thing like a title "HRH" or losing the family jewels get her down. Nope. She went to work, doing what she believed in and helping kids. When you're "stripped" of your title "mrs." as I was, I looked at that person as who I'd like to be. She became healthy, took better care of herself, and made a positive difference before she was prematurely taken by a mob of predators trying to catch a "money shot" of her and her new partner.

Camilla is nothing compared to Diana. And they actually make a lovely couple...in contrast to Diana being so much more attractive than Charles ever was. Camilla is dowdy. She looks to me somewhat man-nish. Charles wears kilts alot. I wonder who wears the pants in that affair relationship? It ain't a bedtime story with a happily ever after ending...it makes me wanna hurl.

I read your post, Bob, and the replies as my son walked out the door with the fow/w of my xh. Class counts. Trust me. I oughtta know. I had to hand my son over this morning to a woman wearing at 11 am what I consider "sleazy club attire". To pick up my child, this person, also a "Camzilla" but skinnier, wore a very tight shirt, low ride tight blue jeans, a leather biker belt, and at least five inch pointy toed bright pink stilletto shoes...just to get a child from the home of her H's former wife. Needless to say, it did NOTHING for me. I don't plan on ever quite wearing such a clothing combo...well maybe to a biker rally or something..but then I'd leave off the stilletto heels and cover up a bit with a leather jacket.

Class counts. Keep yours. Keep your wits. Either outcome for you, remember how Diana held her head up.

And no, I do not think he will be made head of the Anglican church. If that happens, I would suspect the Roman Catholic church may be inheriting some new recruits...a ton of them.

Say it loudly...CLASS COUNTS!

I am laughing and laughing...all the while I ready myself for being shot outta the saddle at my physical for new job...coming up in 2hours..(medical stuff ya know)...

And I am lmao at karena's post saying men in pub in England called Camzilla a "HORSE FACED GIT".

How appropriate...the initials, HRH which I don't think she's gonna be allowed to use, would stand for...and YEA WE COULD GET THIS INTERNET THING GOING...you know...leak it out to a few agencies..
"HER ROYAL HORSEFACE".

So appropeau.

I have this awful image in my mind. A very very pungent-smelling, thunder-thighed, horse-faced woman wearing riding knickers and a tweed jacket walking about with a whip in her hand yelling at the royal gardner (she supposedly loves to garden)and a wimpy dumbo-ish skirt wearing nancy-boy comes flitting out to her bringing her her afternoon tea. Or in her case, brew or ale. EEW.

Even a team of specialists from "the swan" would not be able to make this woman appear as .00001% of an attractive bride as her fiancee's predacessor was.

For justpeachy -- yes, CamZilla *will* be styled "HRH" when she marries her so-called prince. Seems the ultimate slap in the face to Diana, doesn't it, since Diana was stripped of her HRH title upon the divorce she did not want.

Though as I said, I think CamZilla's HRH should stand for "Her Royal Homewrecker."

And yes, Charles *will* head of the Church of England if/when he becomes king. That's the way it's done.

I'm so sorry you have to let your child leave with your own personal homewrecker. I hope he is as wise as you are and will see through their terrible actions to view them as they really are.
Mulan

"Camillia has put up with ladies in restaurants throwing their hot rolls at her; much scorn from many people because she was involved with Charles."

Glad 2 hear they didn't throw their ales at her. That'd have been a waste.

-ol' 2long

It makes no difference to any of this but Camilla had been cheated on for years by Mr P-B.

Charles didn't marry her when he had the chance. Family opposition. So, too bad for him. If he'd really wanted to marry her he'd have fought all the opposition. It doesn't matter how long it went on or whether they were "soulmates." Too bad.

As JL rightfully pointed out to me "unfinished business ends when you marry someone else."

Jen

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ.:
As JL rightfully pointed out to me "unfinished business ends when you marry someone else."

Jen</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Morning Jen, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Can I ask a question regardng JL's quote above?

Wouldn't it be that when one marry's someone else, that all the baggage not dealt with [unfinished business] eventually surfaces in that new marriage?

Jo

<small>[ February 11, 2005, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Resilient ]</small>

Ah yes. JL was referring particularly to MY marriage where the baggage resurfaced after 28 years. I'm the FWW. He was telling me that, basically, too bad for me (in the nicest JL way of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> ) and that my unfinished business with old b/f who became the OM, finished the day I decided to marry my H.

Jen