JL-

Thanks for the advice. I actually was just talking with my mother this evening about the possibility that I might stay here for the summer or fall semester and just get some of the easy garbage out of the way. That way I could save even more $ up for moving to Austin.


Gimble -

If the truth be known, I would like to buy all of them out of the property instead of the other way around. I know them, and I know myself, and it will fail miserably without me involved. So no, I really don't want to sell, but I would feel strange being partners with my XW and her family if it came down to D. I was thinking about getting my (very wealthy) friend involved, and see if he saw the potential that I did for the place. Maybe he could infuse some capital, and we could buy the others out.....I have a feeling that they will never sell, though.

Although I pine away for her here, it gets a little bit easier every day to picture my life without her in it. The Plan B and the distance help tremendously.


TM

Wow, my brains are really scrambled. This morning is the best example of what damage emotional trauma (and, yes, I know, some of my lifestyle choices too) can do to you.

I stayed up through the night to pack, organize, and shop for last minte stuff (batteries, snacks, etc at the Walmart Supercenter), left for the airport at about 6 am. I parked my truck in the long term lot, took the shuttle over to the terminal, then proceeded to try and check in. I kept getting errors on the self service check-in machine...it kept saying "You can only check in a maximum of 24 hours in advance for this flight" I could not imagine what was wrong.

Then I looked more closely at my confirmation printout......and you guessed it, I am not due to fly out until tomorrow. Boy do I feel like an airhead. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me.


TM

Hi, TM.

Just call it a dress rehearsal :-)

Gimble

I just wanted to give everyone a big ALOHA! I am checking in from an internet cafe in Waikiki...on to Tokyo and then Singapore tomorrow....

And yes, I am going to check out the nightclub scene here tonight if anyone was wondering.

I got a TM from my WW this afternoon. She asked if she could have a time out. I respponded with, "Does he still live with you?" She responded, "Can I call you tomorrow?" told her I was going to be out of the country until Monday, so - no.

She then told me to have a safe trip and she still loves me...

HUH?

If this is how she treats someone she loves, then I would hate to see what she does to her enemies.

Well, anyway, I am in good spirits in general, although I had to stop watching the movie they played on the plane - "Spanglish" Part of the story involved an affair - I just couldn't take it.

I will keep y'all updated when I can.

TM

TM
Singapore can be fun so have a great time and enjoy yourself.

Why not use this trip as a new start to your Plan b,, a real one this time.
If ww rings and the NC is not in operation then politly ask her to text & HANG UP.

TM from your posts it would appear to me that your WW is manipulating you every time there is contact...that has to stop for your sake. Regardless of the M.

Its all been said before TM but I guess you are not ready to hear it.
TM you are not abandoning your wife, she abandoned you and has little regard or respect for you I suspect right now.
She certainly likes to keep you on a a dangling hook TM, stop biting it.
STOP waiting on your WW and go to med school, or dig ditches if it makes YOU happy. But move on with your life as all who visit your thread have advised you, it's for your sake.

IF or when your WW wants to be a W again then SHE will move heaven and earth to be with you if she wants to. THAT I can assure you is true because I am doing that in my own way right now.
If she doesn't then she doesn't. That will hurt but not as much as she is hurting you now.
TM you deserve some happiness ...dont let that happiness be defined by your WW, go find it in your med school, or work or whatever. It's time your WW followed you for awhile until she has the commitment & all it entails to walk by your side..

AW -

I had typed out a long response, but lost it when I hit reply...

So a condensed version:

Thanks for the reply, I haven't heard from you in some time...

I am moving on with my life, just not to Austin quite yet. I feel I would be doping the exact same thing even if I had already filed on her in TX...I have a nmber of projects starting in Houston, and stand to be out of debt, or nearly so, by the end of the summer if all goes well. If I move to Austin now, I will just cost myself $, and make some of the projects hard, if not impossible, to do.

I don't think my WW and I will move back in together when she moves back to TX, though. I will play this very slowly, with my eyes wide open. She is going to have to earn the position of my W...she has lost that title presently.

I just wish I could fast forward my life two months into the future....

TM

HI TM

I am glad you are ok and looking at moving ahead. I suppose what I was saying was dont make HER timetable yours thats all. Dont wait on her decisions on her moves, I mean what if she does not come to TX but gives another excuse to stay with her 'room mate' - yeah like thats true - remember TM we WS - when WS of course - can lie straight to you and tell you its a pitch black night when its a bright sunny day & you could be standing next to them. In that state of mind anything is ok because its all me me me the taker thats in charge. YOU dont matter. In a way YOU dont exist or seem real to her. The fantasy is EVERYTHING.

Move by all means at a pace thats ok for you, BUT dont please for your own sake wait on your WW.
As hard as it is see if you cannot consider her gone right now and plan your life that way.
As I said IF she eventually wants YOU she WILL move heaven and earth to be with you. Which of course I hope and pray
is going to be the situation in the near future.

Been busy with the job and the growing bub TM, I'm 27 weeks today so feeling pretty worn and HUGE, think we are breeding gaints <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Aussie is deployed and have not heard from him at all so I'm waiting ... and waiting .. and waiting as the weeks go by hoping I dont hear anything because that would be bad news <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> but thats life I guess.

I figure they must be due back soon as they have offered us wives a 3 day course on 'suicide - a warriors stress' - not exactly what I wanted to hear but unfortunately too common - from 7 May so maybe it will be in May, ... perhaps. God willing.

Anyway look after yourself TM maybe look at your own place too huh?? All the best <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

AW -

Thanks for the well-wishes. I hope you get to see your Aussie home, and safe, soon.

I am in Singapore presently, just ate my first serving of pepper crab at the Newton Circus Food Center....delicious!

I am heading to Orchard Road today, and the night safari tonight....gonna cap it off with an authentic Singapore Sling (or five <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />) at the Raffles Hotel tonight...then I leave a 6 am tomorrow....back to the good ol' USA...

I am happy to be doing something new, and different....keeps me from thinking about her.

TM

Hello all -

I am back in Houston as of this morning. What a trip.

On two of the three long (7-8 hours each) flights, coach was oversold, so I got to ride in business class for no extra $...sooooo much nicer than coach....

Yesterday, I spent about three hours on Waikiki beach....I am a little bit burned....

But now it is back to work. I have to hit the ground running - two meetings this afternoon.

I rec'd a message from my WW when I got back in cell range in Hawaii....it was this long and rambling message, with ILY's and apologies....sure seems like she is not enjoing Plan B...she wants to talk to me tomorrow, although I can't imagine what about - as far as I am concerned we have nothing to discuss until the OM has moved out.

TM

I hope you plan to still stay dark in your plan B...right?

TM,

Welcome back. I guess she did NOT say that OM was gone in her long and rambling message did she?

God Bless,

JL

Trix and JL -

No, she did not say the he had moved out....in other words, he is still living with her. I know I need to stay dark on her, even though I don't want to. I think she will be calling or text messaging me tomorrow, because she had mentioned contacting me after her board exam was over...which occurred today.

I hope I can resist the temptation to answer the phone....

I forgot to mention a silly thing that happened to me on one of the flights home. I started to watch the movie "The Phantom of the Opera" - one of my all time favorite musicals - and was hit with such emotion I had to stop watching it for fear of breaking down on the plane. My interest in audio/visual things began back in the theater...I even was able to see the production on Broadway back when I was about 15 or 16. It moved me even back then....but now, I was completely flattened by the onrush of emotions....the music is just so very powerful. It made me feel like such a weakling - to almost cry over such a silly thing.

I took my bike out again today. Just getting out there on it gives me such satisfaction, such enjoyment....I wish I had bought one years ago. I feel very free while riding. I am not sure if I am feeling happiness just from riding, or just that I have to spend such effort concentrating on the other drivers that I am unable to worry about much else.

TM

OK - I am hiding behind a lexan shield, 'cause I know 2X4's are enroute.

I called my MIL yesterday to wish her a happy mother's day...and who answers the phone? That's right, my WW! Keep in mind, my MIL is in TX, and my WW lives in CA. She flew home to see her mom for mother's day - and I was caught totally off guard.

I stammered for a moment, then did the wrong thing....I started to tallk with her! I should have asked her to put her mom on the phone, and said "thanks, goodbye...." But I gave in - another time to reset the clocks.

We talked for hours, and out of it, I learned some helpful but hurtful things. She still claims no SF with the OM....but I have some serious doubts about that. The A is still in full swing though. She discusses the OM with such noble and complementary language. She avoids direct questions. She is evasive and vague in most of her responses....IOW the A never has ended...even if the SF has (yeah, right!)

She apparently loves me and misses me, but still views our M through the "filter" that allows only negative memories through. All she could talk about was "her pain" from being alone all the time! HER PAIN?!?!?!? She is completely unable to sympathize with the pain she has foisted upon me. I am starting to wonder what I saw in this woman. How absolutely uncaring of her.

So, at the end of it all, I told her it was my mistake for even entering into the coversation with her, and that I shouldn't have broken my own rules. So we are back in plan B.

I am thinking more and more about Plan D. I am thinking I may file soon - maybe on July 1. I feel if she waits until she has no other choice but me, I would be winning by default - AKA not winning at all.

I have not set this date in concrete, just a thought for now.


Now bring on the wood. I can take it.


TM

Hi, TM.

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But I gave in - another time to reset the clocks.
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Yup.

No 2x4's. You are beaming yourself upside the head much more effectively, albeit more slowly.

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I am thinking more and more about Plan D. I am thinking I may file soon - maybe on July 1. I feel if she waits until she has no other choice but me, I would be winning by default - AKA not winning at all
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What's wrong with June 1st? Why not put this whole thing on your time scale? Please remind me of what it is you are waiting for?

You are a good guy, TM. You are ENTITLED (the good kind) to better treatment than this.

God bless,
Gimble

TM,

Havent posted in awhile due to work and having trouble getting on the new site.

My man, as the Czar of Plan B, I can tell you that all that your wife has been doing is typical. She isnt stopping the affair because she doesnt need to!! Why should she? She knows you have left for Texas. She is alone there, so instead of BEING alone, she rationalizes that as long as she is i nthe affair, she might as well keep it around for her until she finishes school in June. There is no pressure to end it, no reason to really.

Plan B is about you first...I really think you have gotten that point, as is evidenced by all of the things you have been doing for yourself. Good for you! I wish most Plan B'ers could get that part down as well as you have.

But the other part of Plan B is what you continue to mess up. Again, I messed up also...so I am not getting on you. But you, sir, are enabling the affair...enabling your wife to continue.

She doesnt have to end the affair right now. You have told her so. You essentially have given her permission to continue, at least until the end of school. How so?

Well, first of all, by continuing to come out of the darkness, you rescue her from her consequences. She doesnt have to face any. She has a husband she loves waiting for her in Texas, and a OP there to take care of her until then. A three line text message...or an hour long conversation...it does not matter. They both have the same result. They tell your wife that you are there for her...and you will wait for her while she continues the affair. You show that you are available to her, and that there is no risk to her for continuing in her selfish and immature actions.

How do I know this in your situation? Look at what happenes EVERYTIME you go a period of time without talking to her. She begins texting and leaving messages. She says ILY. She apologizes. She asks you to talk. Why? Tell me why TM. No, on second thought...dont tell me why...tell yourself.

She wants no pain!! To live there in CA for several months alone, with ending an affair, and having her husband in Texas, why she finishes the last of med school, is HARD! It is painful!! In some cases, it is overwhelming. I do not minimize the effects of an affair on a WS. I have seen this in my wife, and many FWSs on this web site can back me up on this one.

So, with so much on her plate, she has to maintain the status quo, right? Less pain for her. She is asking everyone to let her deal with the pain later.

You want to know something? I was away deployed by the Army in Bosnia in September 2001 when the affair started for my wife. Want to know what she was doing at the time? She was in her first year of nursing school. Stuck at home with three kids, a husband away at war, bills stacking up...and that first year of nursing school (which is like boot camp!!). Exhausting, nerve racking, stressful...her whole life was a mess. And she was responsible for our three little ones.

This guy walks in and provides her an out, a safe haven to go to. She could leave the kids at a sitters, and go there and have an evening without school, without bills, without stress, without the worry about me in war. He took advantage of her vulnerability. As a matter of fact, the OM called her a nickname...Mess Two (her best friend at the time was stuck in her own affair and my wife's OM called her Mess One). This guy knew exactly what he was doing because the exact thing had happened to him when another guy came in and took his wife and two girls.

But back to my point. Once I came home and found out about the A, we began to try to work on things. It was summer, no school. But come the fall and her last year of nursing school, she became anxious again...moved out...and began to see the OM full time again.

I played around for awhile between Plan A, Plan B and Plan D. Never doing any of the three quite right (ask some of the vets like Just Learning). And then three months into her moving out, I got it. I really got it. I went to full Plan B. It was hard. It hurt. It was even harder because I was raising our three kids and had to have some minimal contact with her dealing with them.

Three weeks into my Plan B, she shows up at my door and says she wanted to say good night to the kids. I let her go in...and 5 minutes after getting there, she confronted me. She said she wasnt leaving until we talked about us. I told her I would call the police...and she said "go ahead." I could tell she was serious. She began to say that she wanted to come home. That she knew things should not be this way, and that the OM was not her future. She said she wishes she knew the day after I left for Bosnia what she knows now. She said that even the worst days of us together before couldnt compare with the hell she was going thru without me, without the kids.

Sounds great, huh? Sounds kinda like your latest conversations with your wife, huh? But then, she does EXACTLY what your wife is doing. This is January 2003. I tell my wife then she must meet the conditions of the PBL, and we must go to counseling. The kids and I already were in counseling. My wife said that she only had 4 months left of school, and was still stuck with her apartment until the end of June. I told her that she could keep the apartment, even stay there...or go there when she needed time. She seemed to understand that. But she said that the OM was her good friend. She said (of course, in reality, this wasnt true) that he was the one that kept her together through all of this so she could finish school. She said she couldnt push him away right yet, that she would have to back down slowly...do it on her terms. That she wanted me to be her friend, to help her get thru this.

TM, I so wanted to go along with it. I had already filed for divorce and we were getting close to the custody hearing. So, what I did was this. I told her that continued contact with OM was unacceptable. That she had to end it. I did say I would go to counseling together to see if a counselor could help her extricate herself from the A. I also said I would stop the divorce proceedings temporarily to see if she was for real. Soon after all of this, she moved home.

Now I did some other things wrong in this that allowed our recovery to be stunted, for her to have a relapse...and for us to end up in divorce court. But, in all things, God took chrage of even that...and recovery has been sailing forward ever since.

My diatribe here is for you to understand that I UNDERSTAND you, and your wife. I understand what she wants, what she is going thru. You as well. I also understand that, even though you dont realize it...you are actually hurting your wife more with your actions.

How so? Well, first...you are the husband. God holds YOU responsible for your wife and for your marriage. You have to protect her. God says you have to love her like Christ loves us. What kind of love is that? Love that is so deep, that you are willing to die for the very person who is betraying you.

You know the right thing to do. But you get pulled into your wife's misguided world and you try to make sense of it. TM...your wife is being led around by the Devil himself, and you are allowing it. You are getting in the way of her being able to extricate herself from that. And so her hell continues because you will not help her.

When a child is drowning and an adult comes to save them, that child might be thinking "you are hurting me, you are holding me so tight that it hurts, I keep getting water in my mouth because you keep bobbing as you are swimming...I dont like this." They dont understand that the pain they are feeling is the result of someone saving them.

The pain your wife feels in Plan B is due to the love of her husband. It is the pain she MUST feel in order to extricate herself from the mess she has created. And just when it starts to sink in, you "rescue" her from her consequences. And push her back into the fog. I have to say that right now TM...you are her worst enemy. You are the guy keeping her trapped in an immoral relationship, apart from God. Deep down, you and I both know she doesnt feel good about herself. But also, deep down, she also knows that she is being betrayed by someone...and that is you. Sure, she is actively betraying you in the affair. But you are unknowingly betraying her by keeping her in the affair and keeping her from the tools she needs to get out of it (mainly the pain of the consequences).

Know what my wife said when she came home? She said that my Plan B...and my insistence on standing up to her and what she was doing, was what got her on her feet and ot her doing what she felt like she wanted to do before, but couldn't.

July is coming. And even if she moves to Texas, her new job, and other issues will force you to be put on the back burner. And you will continue to head for divorce. And you will have lost the best weapon against the affair, and the best motivator you had for your wife, in that the stress she is under will be gone by then. And then there is no rush on making any decisions. And you will become angry because you thought once the school was done, that things would improve. And things will only get worse.

If you stay dark the next two months...I mean not one IM, not one text, not one call...I think you will see something here. She will feel like she is losing you. She knows she is losing OM, if she is moving to Texas. Her anxiety will increase. She will have to make decisions. She wont know if you have moved on, if there is someone else...or if you would even take her back if she showed up. Panic will set in. And panic is what it will take for her to run out of the fog.

My wife came back to me two months before graduation from nursing school. I helped her thru the last two months...and it was me at her graduation...not the so called "friend" and helper of the OM. She learned right there that the "help" she received really wasnt help. That she didnt need the OM.

Consequences. When are you goingto love your wife enough to let her have them?

In His arms.

TM

how is your new plan B going? getting through it ok? Hope you are well and finding some peace.

Thanks for the posts, everyone. I am still here, but just watching for the moment.

Gimble - I have a bit of a quandry that I find myself in. She had filed on me in Feb. in CA. She won't know if she is definitely moving back to TX until about July 10th....when she gets her board exam scores back. If she doesn't pass the part 3 exam, she will stay in LA, and do another year of residency, since she will not be able to practice. She told me that if I file on her in TX, she will serve me the CA papers, and we will then have to contest the venue. So the one month difference isn't worth the extra stress and $ involved.

Mortarman - What a insightful and thoughtful post. Thanks for spending so much time and effort on lil' ol' me. I know you are right - I am prolonging her and my pain. It is just so difficult to do the exact opposite of what your emotions tell you to do. I was totally caught off guard the other day, and gave in to my emotions. I really believe that no matter how dark I stay, though, she is so consumed by her responsibilities right now that she will not throw the OM out, and ask me back into her life. My concern is if she waits until they are seperated by force of circumstances, is she really even chosing me at all? I don't want to win by default. I deserve someone who will chose me for me.

AW - thanks for the concern. It has resumed, but after a bad slip on my part - see below...


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My WW called me on Tuesday morning, and asked me to join her for breakfast, and I accepted. This was the first time we had seen each other face to face in almost two months. We ended up talking for a very long time, and the conversation was actually really pleasant and constructive. We communicated without LB's or nastiness.

I expressed my concerns regarding being her backup plan to her, and she said she understood. But she also said she didn't think that she could deal with any more on her plate right now. She feels so overwhelmed. My normal reaction is to sympathize with her, but I am no longer allowing myself that... I seem to always want to do the stupid man thing and be the knight in shining armor, sweep down and save her from her self-inflicted problems.

We finished the conversation because her family was going to take her out to eat and then to the airport - and I didn't want to have to interact with them. In fact, I have yet to talk to my BIL since I moved back. My MIL just constantly justifies my WW's actions with, "...well, you were never home, and she was just so unhappy. I don't think anyone should go through life so unhappy..." UGGGHHHH! That makes me just want to scream!!!

I think I should avoid my MIL as well in the future.

SO....now I am back in Plan B, my WW is back in CA, and I am treading water again. Only 2 months to go.

I hate being in neutral!


TM

TM, You are probably not BACK in Plan B, because you have never been in Plan B. As the Plan B Czar, I know Plan B...and you havent done it. just temporary NC.

You might as well stop the games and just talk to her everyday, because the temporary NC is worthless. Doesnt do anything for either one of you.

I believ you are wrong about the pressures of your wiferight now in her residency and what Plan B would do. Like I said, my wife was in nursinf school, and it was actually those added pressures that helped her to the panic stage (that stage where YOU must run out of the fog).

There are no consequences for your wife. She is living an immoral life, she is living with and having sex with a man that is not her husband. And you are okaying that and enabling it. The message you continue to send is that "it's okay with me." Thus, she goes back to CA knowing you are still there, and you really have no problem with her shacking up with this guy.

I am being hard on you because you continue not to do what you are supposed to do, continue not to do the loving thing for your wife...and go to Plan B. You are not in Plan B. You have not been in Plan B. But Plan B is what is needed here.

You dont want to be the choice she makes because there is no other choice? Well, you continue on the path you have been on, and that is EXACTLY what you will get IF she comes home.

My wife was visitng the OMs family in Florida when I finally did Plan B. She was supposedly moving forward with that relationship. The Plan B shouldnt have worked. She should have welcomed me MCing her, as she began to move things further along.

But a funny thing happened. Plan B did actually the opposite. She is in a strange town, with strange people...and this guy she doesnt REALLY know...and she realizes "where is my family?" And two weeks after coming back from there, she is at my house wanting reconciliation.

Plan B is what you need. But you wont do it. She does not believe you when you threaten Plan B or divorce or anything else. You do not keep your word.


And TM, your wife does not respect you. Not one bit. That is evident by her continued affair. But the thing is...you do not respect yourself either, because you enable and condone what she is doing.

Until you finally decide to help yourself and love your wife, then your marriage continues to slide. your meeting with her for breakfast hurt your marriage more than you know. You may think it helped...but it is just another nail in the coffin. later on, if you get back together, events like this one will be triggers for you. You will remember how she betrayed you, but still shred a meal with you. You will beat yourself up for allowing her to do so. And all of that will cause more damage to your recovery. And...all of that was unnecessary.

Everyone is trying to help you. I have been in your shoes, as I have shown. even with the medical schooling deal. And I know what Plan B does.

Until you decide that you love your wife enough, or to love her as much as you say you do...then all of this talk is worthless. And you might as well stop the NC charade, because it is fooling no one...least of all your WW.

Yes I am being hard on you TM. But you are making VERY major, life long mistakes! Your wife needs you and you are letting her down. your wife needs rescuing and you just allow her to drown.

I really do not understand.

In His arms.

Mortarman....

I somewhat agree with you about me letting my wife down, BUT....

What if that is my way of subconsciously moving on? What if I think there is a better woman out there for me? Especially considering what my WW has done/is doing. Also, she communicated to me that she would want children right away if we were to reconcile. I think not! If our relationship is already tenuous at best, there is no way I am going to bring an innocent child into the fray. What happens if we attempt reconciliation, get pregnant, and then the reconciliation breaks down? I will not be responsible for bringing a life into a M that is already ripped apart. NO WAY.

Anyway, I am not sure SHE deserves ME. I am youngish, I am intelligent, motivated, etc...I have so much to offer....why should I put up with someone so selfish, so immoral, so unwilling to love me back?

These are the things going through my mind right now.

Maybe lemonman is rubbing off on me.

Right at this moment, I don't see myself with my wife in two years. I cannot say that it will work out that way, but that is the way I picture it presently.

I want to do what God requests of we Christians, what the bible tells us regarding marriage. But it also gives permission to leave because of infidelity. Am I honoring God by staying in an abusive (emotionally) relationship?

I am meeting with an attorney for a consultation next week. I am not set on filing, but am starting to consider it more and more likely.

I just don't know if I should rescue my wife. Mabe she needs to go under a couple of times so she learns to be less selfish.



Seems vitriolic, but that is how I am feeling today....

TM

TM,

Listen closely to MM. He is giving it to you straight. You have already lost your W, and your MIL needs to be set straight as to why you were traveling so much. But, you said something that just needs to be addressed.


So you are saying if she fails the exam, she is NOT coming back and YOU still cannot file without her contesting the venue, right? That is just plain dumb. You should file when you are ready because her threat will NEVER go away. She can always make that arguement. But, I thought she told you she recinded the divorce. Apparently she did not. If she did then where you were served makes NO difference.

TM, she is playing games or she has lied to you big time.

You are right about the idea of having kids, and I am guessing she is using that as a carrot to entice you to hang around while she makes up here mind. Unfortunately, for her, you are NOT thrilled about having children in a marriage that is taking on water.

Listen to TM and put some pressure on her. Go to a strong Plan B, talk to the lawyer, and get ready for YOUR future.
She is where she wants to be and that is with the OM. There is no indication that she will NOT choose him when her school is over.

Plan B, my man. You really need to go dark, get your ducks in a row, or as 2Long says "coaxially aligned". She has done nothing to indicate that you are truely even in the game with her. It is just NOT convenient for her to file on your right now. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

God Bless,

JL