But she's spending a S$%t Load of money to do it!!!

It's only money, It's only money, It's only money....

You know I always told WW not to worry too much about money. We need to be careful with it, but if the Lord want's to take it away somehow, he can.

THIS, I didn't anticipate!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Alphin!

That's exactly my point. I'm not worried about it, but WHAT is he lawyer thinking?? She seems sincere. My lawyer says that WW is trying to save face now. BUT SHE CAN'T. How can she still be in a fog?

Everything I wrote, is either my opinion, or backed with hard evidence and witnesses.

Stupid people need to have signs!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Hi, Sleepless.

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But she's spending a S$%t Load of money to do it!!!
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What an expensive lesson she is learning about legal representation. At least she is getting a lesson that she is unlikely to forget.

I am hoping that she gets a lesson in the base requirements for maintaining a security clearance, and how quickly jobs like hers can be lost due to impropriety.

I don't wish her harm. I do wish her some basic life lessons. Ultimately, if she gets some, they will help her live the rest of her life in a better way. If she doesn't learn them, she may very well find herself alone and unhappy in her old age.

I suspect that you have learned a few things from this ordeal as well.

God bless,
Gimble

Hi, Sleepless.

Well, I guess I can forgive you, LOL. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> It sounds like you've been busy. Adultery does suck, and it's expensive, too.

We didn't make it to the beach yet. My son got invited to a baseball game last night and really wanted to go. We can always go next week. We do have the whole summer free (not to rub it in, LOL).


No, I didn't have contempt charges filed against me, but my WH did give me the evil-eye stare down. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> It was actually kind of funny. He also told me how rude I was to harrass his family and MOW's husband. I told him he should be happy I was sharing the information, now everyone could share in his joy and it wouldn't have to be a secret!

I think the contempt charges are probably just meant to scare you. There was nothing set up legally to prevent you from exposing, was there? I think it's all doodie, just like my WH's threats via legal documents to sell the house out from under me, etc., etc., ad naseum. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I think your WW is desperate and grabbing at straws now.

SIS,

First, what is it that WW's lawyer is threatening to hold you in contempt of? The RO? If its the RO, what specific language in the RO are they saying you violated? Most say you cannot harass the other party - is that what their hanging their hat on? Also, many RO's in divorce cases are not one way - they apply to both parties. Did yours? It was dissolved wasn't it? Just my thougths (your lawyer will certainly have thought of these things), but if the RO did go both ways, why not threaten to counterfile on the contempt issue for having said all the false things she did about you - particularly to your sons. If the RO didn't go both ways, threaten that if they do file against you for contempt, you will also file a civil suit against WW for slander. Of course, she would threaten to countersue for the same thing, to which your response would be, "yes, but truth is a defense." Prove that what WW did is the truth and you win. Since there is no evidence, how would she prove what she said about you was the truth? Given that alot of the really nasty things she said were to DS's, also threaten alienation of parental affection if your state recognizes such a claim. Also, who contacted who? Did the friends contact you and ask what was going on or did you contact them? If they contacted you, I hardly see how a judge could cite you for contempt. Their contacting you, in and of itself, evidences a friendship - something more than just knowing them because they work with WW. Also, I do hope that if there is a hearing on the contempt charges that you intend to call these folks as witnesses to talk about socializing you've done with them. For example, if you've gone out for dinner, movies, vacations together, play dates for the kids, etc. The fact that WW and her lawyer have their panties in such a twist over this makes me think that, perhaps, this is having a very negative impact on her work life.

Finally, don't know your particular judge, but I question whether a judge would cite you on this because she (the judge) dissolved the RO - I am assuming because there was no factual basis for it. Also, because the RO's been dissolved, its pretty much a moot point. WW and her attorney may be trying to score points with the judge by making you look back (which in part may be damage control because WW's attorney may realize that WW did not look so good in the judge's eyes afte the RO hearing. The only other option is that WW's attorney is trying to use up your lawyer funds fighting stupid stuff so that you don't have it to fight the real battle - the custody stuff.

...okay, enough ramblings from me....

Regards,

Brit's Brat

Oh, one other thing....

Back when I was actively litigating in court (I'm now sitting in the corporate world), I was held in contempt. That was 15 years ago but, as I recall, I was given a $250 fine and that was it.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

Regards,

BB

Well Hello Brit\'s Brat.


The RO stated I should not molest or disturb the peace of WW and DS8. That's why I did not call during the RO, even though WW whispered in DS8's ear that "Daddy's lying"

So now the attorney is suggesting that the people I sent the E-Mail to are not my friends, merely acquaintances. They all work with my wife in the Federal Government, but I happen to know each and every one. They have all been to our house, and I have met their children and spouses, and even done personal favors for most outside of work. I talked to a couple of them, and they said, "I thought we were friends."

RO was just against me so WW could take my son out of the country, and I couldn't stop her.

The RO was absolved by the judge two weeks after I was served.



I was thinking about that too. Since the only reason I informed her co-workers was that WW had contacted one of our friends in DC, and said I was "evil" and trying to "control her". This was passed to me through another friend in Seattle and WW coworker who said I should contact our DC friend. I decided to send a 3 page letter outlining the affair, divorce papers, abduction and RO. I wasn't mean or nasty, just told my side of the story. I told several people I don't like having to defend my integrity. It's something I have always protected.

I have E-Mails between WW and OM proving everything in the letter and much more that I did not put in the letter.



Someone else posted that too. I looked it up and printed out the details. We're having a parental evaluation of WW and myself this month. The psychologist is flying to Europe next Tuesday, and will meet with me in July. I'll bring up the alienation with her. My lawyer heard it since I had the conversation on speaker phone.


WW mentioned that this was all affecting her work before she abducted DS8. In court papers she claimed she had to self disclose to her supervisor and up to Administrator level in the Federal gov't. Who knows if she did. My lawyer seems to think she's just trying to save face and is defensive.


I don't know who the judge will be, but the judge that dumped the original RO wasn't buying too much BS. WW's attorney was so dense, she thought the RO was still in effect. I had to tell her that it wasn't. She argued that she wrote it down. After my lawyer and I politely told her she was wrong, the court recorder finally read back the judges orders to her and revealed I was correct.


I got the sense from the judge that she didn't tolerate a lot of BS and self gratifying motions. So I see the contempt order as good for me, and harmful to WS. Go for it! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Okeedokee, now we're getting somewhere...molesting your wife or disturbing her peace is a far cry from speaking to her coworkers. The RO implies direct conduct aimed toward her interrupting her peace, quiet and good order (usually in the form of noise of some type - e.g., calling on the phone multiple times, standing outside her residence and screaming, etc.). At a minimum, your attorney can argue that your conduct did not disrupt her peace and that did not understand that to mean you couldn't talk to others.

Do you know much more about her lawyer? Is she primarily a Domestic Relations lawyer or General Practitioner? Sometimes, attorney's are aggressive because they are not confident about their own skills. Some think its what the client wants. Sometimes female lawyers think they have to be bulldogs (why, I don't know). Is she young/old? Some newbies fresh out of law school are aggressive to the point of being offensive because that's what then think lawyers are supposed to do. Also, your WW may have instructed her attorney that she wants to make you miserable and take you to the mat on every little thing....Any of these is possible....none will impress a seasoned judge.

Regards,

BB

EXACTLY! I'm an engineer and have to interpret language all day long. I have NO idea how they got to contempt. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />



You know, I just did a Google search on her, and in 1996 she was a City Council member in her small town. OMG! This is even better. She apparently raises and shows AKC German Shepherds all around the country! My lawyer says she practices out of her house, and apparently doesn't do this full time.

WW's Lawyer

I've always said that if I were a judge, senseless claims and filings would simply piss me off! Let's hope so. The judge in the RO hearing looked a little like Whoopi Goldberg and had a similar personality. I liked her!
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Okay, I love my dogs (I have two, 110 pound dogs) and they are like children to me but that website is a bit over the top - particularly the picture of them with roses and champagne glasses.

Given what you've said about her and now the info re: her working from her home and only practicing part time, my guess would be she isn't very savvy and is just flailing about. Aside from being annoying and costing you money, I wouldn't worry too much. And, yes, judges do get exasperated with senseless claims. In fact, in the federal system (and many states) there is something called Rule 11 which allows one to seek sanctions for frivilous claims. Don't get excited, though, Judges are very reluctant to sustain a Rule 11 Motion.

I will continue to follow and add my 2 cents (cuz that's about how much its worth!) but right now, I think you are in good hands with your attorney.

Regards,

BB

Good. I thought I was just being insensitive. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



23 more cents, and I can get a cup of coffee. Thanks for the reality check. Every data point helps!

I also found later that she and her husband donated to the Ralph Nader for President campaign in 2004. Sorry if I offend anyone, but he's a little out of the mainstream..... not that dressing up dogs is very mainstream.

oooh... I'm going to get it now. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Okay, now I'm really worried...NOT <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> She's WAY off the charts!

BB

I'm having a hard time getting worried over here!! OK, I'm a little worried. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

DS8's extreme room makeover is almost done.

Bunk bed is assembled and mattresses are in place. N

New desk is also assembled and two more coats of polyurethane are on the fir floors.

Mom's flying in from the windy city tomorrow to reassemble the room, including his computer.

DS8 got his Wookie Attack lego kit in the mail yesterday and his baseball glove so he can practice for summer ball.

DS18 is changing the water pump on his old car, but 4 bolts are seized in the engine block. So he and four friends pushed it to the auto shop for repair. I hope he knows is mom is paying for that.

My dogs prefer to run around in the nude.<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

The vet did tie a bandana around our beagle's neck once. He's quite the princess and pranced around admiring himself for quite some time. He pouted for hours after we took it off him.

Just a strange little nightowl threadjack for you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

It would appear that WW's lawyer is just as savvy as Pebbles' WH's lawyer!! hee hee

Cat

Cat, you know how some kids have imaginary friends? I think my WH has an imaginary lawyer.

Sleepless, maybe your WW's lawyer graduated from the Uranian School of Law, you know, U.C. Uranus. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It's where the mothership docks.

Hey! I'm all for it. Pile on the ludricous charges. Brit's Brat was great for noodling out the strategy. It's just money now!! What's a couple of hundred bucks???
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

You know, I BETTER get custody, or I'm going to feel woefully inadequate. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I had a small car accident this morning. Actually rolled the truck over on its side. Really weird one car accident. When I braked for stopped car on the highway, the truck back end skidded a little, and the left front tire hopped the curb, drove up the center divider and tipped the truck onto its right side. I got a boo boo on my pinky finger, and a kink in my neck. Not even whiplash.... I wasn't going fast enough!! Of course since it's a beater truck, I didn't bother to insure it for collision. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> And so, I'm telecommuting today. I found a used truck door for $100. Everything else seems pretty much OK.

DS18 said his water pump will be installed tomorrow by the shop down the street. I said, that's great, how are you going to pay for it? Umm, I'll have money tomorrow. "Oh good, I said. Mom should be able to transfer some for you too." I think he'll start getting the point soon.

No call to DS8 today. I was with a tow truck drive and nice policeman. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I've been thinking the last two days too. Do I even BOTHER with a Plan B letter. Can I safely throw in the towel? What is WW thinking over there. Let's screw the BH??
How do I tell DS8, mommy and daddy won't be doing things together anymore? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Hi, Sleepless,

Scary! I'm glad you weren't hurt!

It does seem like the WSs like to play screw the BS, doesn't it? Mine seems to have forgotten the kids still need to eat for the rest of this month (no check in the mail). Well, at least my WH appears to be on the way to screwing himself this time.

As far as throwing in the towel, I think only you can decide when it's the right time and how much you can take. I won't even try to offer you advice - you know how great my life is right now. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> As far as talking to the kids, I told my kids the truth (as much of it as I thought they could handle). Just let them know you're not going anywhere and you'll always love them and take care of them - and that none of this mess is their fault. What else can we do?

Take care, Sleepless.

I guess you're right. I was just trying to think of something else I might be forgetting.

S18 is in turmoil over XGF and his car bills. He seems to be pretty upset that I'm not covering his car expenses anymore. He's screaming in the backyard, and woke WW in Europe to complain to her. She hates the XGF. WW said really nasty things about S18 and XGF that I pretty much shielded him from. WW's still trying to get S18 to herself. The isolation is in progress. Poor kid. Just last year he was telling me how he hated mom. I'm going to clarify in a little while that his fabricated court testimony puts kind of damper on the relationship until after the judge rules.