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Brit's Brat was great for noodling out the strategy. Not much noodling - I've been doing the lawyer thing for enough time now that I can figure out the goofy ones pretty quickly! Its a knack I picked up studying for the bar exam...there was this guy who always sat in front of me at bar review who had this wierd quirk of rubbing his head really fast - nervous twitch. Anyways, by the time we actually sat for the bar exam, he had literally rubbed a bald spot on his head! Several years later, I ran up against him in personal injury case. He came to my office wanting to discuss settlement and I told him the offer only stood until the next day at noon because I was leaving to go skiing and wasn't going to hang about waiting on his client to decide. This moron (in all seriousness) asked me if it was safe for me to go skiing in my condition. When I asked what condition is that, he said well pregnant, of course. Now since you can't see me and didn't know me then this wouldn't seem funny, but let me tell that, at the time I weighed 112 pounds. (Today,I am 5'5", weigh 120 pounds and wear a size 4 - Man, I turned 40 and fell apart!) I told the moron the offer was off the table then and there and get the heck out my office and don't come back. The funniest part about the whole thing is we ended up going to court and the jury found in my client's favor - his walked away with $0! I have NO idea how this guy ever made enough money to support himself! Not good noodling just know others in my profession too well. Also, WW's attorney is on the left coast - that made it easy, too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Regards, BB
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Now since you can't see me and didn't know me then this wouldn't seem funny, but let me tell that, at the time I weighed 112 pounds. (Today,I am 5'5", weigh 120 pounds and wear a size 4 - Man, I turned 40 and fell apart!) OH PUHLEEZ! a size 4 is NOT falling apart!! You sound like you're quite the fireball! I turned 40 caught my wife having an affair, and lost 10 pounds.... 6'3" 160 now. I'm getting my six pack abs back.... well 4 pack <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> As an engineer for commercial aircraft, my whole day is receiving, and analyzing data to make decisions on aircraft safety. The first thing you need to learn are the BS artists in the engineering world and the maintenance world. It's a good skill. Hey. Since I have your attention. What do you think of this E-Mail? I meant to paste something into a block here, but forgot to copy first, and this IM traffic between S18 and WW was on the clipboard. ww: S18! One more thing! ww: Take care of the files - emails - if you can ww: let me know if you get this. Now BB, I copied about 80 E-Mails between WW and OM19 to prove she was having an affair. It also came in helpful with the restraining order when she made a bunch of false claims against me. She's asking our son to destroy evidence that would support my case. Is there a law against that? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Just wondering.
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Hi, Sleepless.
If this computer does not belong to son18, then you might consider restricting further access. Additionally, I hope you are keeping the logs in an actual safe place. Admissible or not, they are good fodder for your lawyer. I do hope that you have copied your lawyer on this activity.
Please tell me that copies of ALL the files in question are offsite in a an actual safe place.
She has probably been coaching him to lie some more. He complained to her about your not feeding his car 'entitlement' and she used his anger at you to manipulate him.
God bless, Gimble
-An affair is the embodiment of entitlement, fueled by resentment and lack of respect. -An infidel will remain unreachable so long as their sense of entitlement exceeds their ability to reason.
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If this computer does not belong to son18, then you might consider restricting further access. I'll figure out how to add the password tonight. Additionally, I hope you are keeping the logs in an actual safe place. Admissible or not, they are good fodder for your lawyer. I E-mailed my lawyer the last note, and I gave her a CD with all of the other files. WOW. There are 192 E-Mail files. I also have my own personal copy as well as hidden hear on my C drive in an out of the way folder. Multiple copies. I think I'll download them onto my work computer too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Please tell me that copies of ALL the files in question are offsite in a an actual safe place. Yep! I asked my lawyer if I shouldn't just change the locks and have his sleep somewhere else tonight. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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Hey SNS,
I sometimes read your story, but never posted. It must really hurt to have your kids turned against you (understatment of the century).
I would, really, take that entire CPU box and put it in a vault somewhere - have a pro look it over and sweep it for evidence. Get a new one - cheap used PIII machine should be good enough for web/email/word.
You've got the key there. Don't let your S snatch it out of your hands.
-AD
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Not a bad idea AD. I've got one more idea that might work out OK too. Hmm. We'll see. The datafiles are safe.
Come back for details. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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WW called tonight looking for s18. She sounded cold and distant. Didn't acknowledge me. Like a telemarketer.
"Hello, is S18 there?" (Who is this?) "No, he's not." (Ah ha!) "Will he be back before 10? (Time is 9:45 PM) "I really don't know." (Click, I hung up)
I guess I should have taken a message for this strange woman. It was weird..... Someone else must have had a WS like this... ANYONE?
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SiS,
Please tell me that you're not hurting today - accidents can sometimes feel worse the next day.
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SNS,
You do need to find the joy in answering machines again. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I keep mine on almost all the time now and it's great for weeding out those....ummm... crank callers or otherwise unsavory messages.I just love that delete button too! LOL
O
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Hey SIS,
Not sure the Court Rules in WA and don't know what it is the filings/orders in your divorce right now BUT...there may be Rules of Court and preliminary orders that instruct the parties not destroy anything relevant to the case. In which case your having that IM exchange could prove very interesting because 1) the Court could find her in contempt <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> and/or 2) the Court may take that to mean what was in the files was favorable to you and take it from there....obviously, there is something there that she thinks you have not already seen (or there actually is something there you have not already seen) that is particularly negative for her. Forward that IM on to your attorney.
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Please tell me that you're not hurting today - accidents can sometimes feel worse the next day. Thanks Cat! That's sweet of you. List of injuries. Crick in my neck, like when you sleep on it wrong, not as bad as yesterday. 1/8" long, but shallow cut on right pinky, healing nicely. Left ankle around the outside ball joint feels funny. No sign of trauma, bruising etc. I wonder if I pushed on it weird. The accident was remarkably slow speed. I didn't even get yanked in the seat belt. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I need a new door for the truck though. Coworkers said my truck made it on the evening news last night. More of my 15 minutes of fame. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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O-Girl, regarding the answering machine.
Now that's a good idea. I hadn't even thought of that. WW just hasn't called in so long, I couldn't figure out who it was at first. She sounds a LOT different. Like the stress has gotten to her. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Hey BB!
I read through all 192 E-Mails when she filed a restraining order against me with false claims. I was able to refute four of her major claims. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
1. "I don't have a 'lover'" - E-mails clearly showed their conversation of their intimacy at a hotel <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
2. "I'm not abusive." - E-Mail to our S18 stating that the night she was arrested for attacking me, wasn't even as bad as some of the other times." She further stated she isn't a very good mom and has problems. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
3. "I absconded with DS8" - She knew exactly where DS8 was, and we called her. She also admitted she liked being alone, and that I would probably get custody of DS8. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
4. Shows she was drinking multiple bottles of wine with the 19 year old other man. More than we ever drank. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
My attorney has all of the files and I highlighted the juicy parts for her. She began squealing with joy as I handed them to her one by one.
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I had a good talk with S18 last night. Talked about breakup with his ex girlfriend. Talked about his car's water pump, and then talked about the divorce. I asked him if he still had lost all respect for me. He said no, he was over that. But he didn't respect WW much anymore. I told him he should call my cousin's husband who's parents divorced too. He would be happy to speak with him. I reminded him there are a lot of people who care about him.
The talk went better. He's not lurking about the house trying to dig stuff up. He's hanging out with his friends and enjoying himself. I told him that's what he should be doing.
I think I'll call DS8 at home tomorrow. I've been avoiding it when WW is home, but it's Father's day after all!
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I've been filling out Family Evaluator paperwork for THREE days. 107 essay questions on one. I copied all of the pertinent E-Mails between WW and OM19. I also provided affidavits from everyone. The psychologist heads to Paris in the morning. She seemed pretty sharp at first glance. Solid gaze. Firm, confident, but friendly facial features. She knows what she's doing. I responded in kind. The questions on the surveys lean toward my favor. Why are you better than WW? Why is your neighborhood better? Why are you the better parent?
All paraphrased, but easily described. My mom made a set of pictures of both sides of the family so she could attach faces to the names. The psychologist seemed to like that. My thrust still is to somehow provide DS8 and DS18 with an emotionally healthy mom. This may just force WW to move back to the U.S. and be near DS8. She may just have to get counseling and discover she can be happy.
DS8 talked to me today. Dad, when are you coming to get me??? "I'll meet you in DC on June 30." "Dad, I need some Lego skeletons becauase I have some extra armor!"
(He's discovered E-Bay!)
"Dad, mom said you did something with the bed she made me." "You mean the bed WE made you?" "Yeah" "Ohh. I can't tell you, it's a surprise." (He sounded excited) "But you have a new light in your closet, and your floors are shiny!" "Cool. Dad, I can't wait to play with you!" "Me either DS8...."
Don't take your children for granted. They are a precious gift. Even the grumpy 18 year olds that spy for the WS!
God Bless all!
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Hi, Sleepless.
Question for you. Is this the first trip out of the country for the evaluator?
Gimble
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Hi, Sleepless. The questions on the surveys lean toward my favor. Well, DUH! Hee, hee, now it's my turn to 'duh' you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> You sound a little excited, too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'll bet you're counting the days until you see him. Don't take your children for granted. They are a precious gift. Even the grumpy 18 year olds that spy for the WS! Amen! Even the sick, cranky, whiny ones. God bless you, too, Sleepless.
Me 40, STBXWH 43
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Hey there SIS, been off the site for awhile and had to catch up.
Have a suggestion for something to ask S18...
ask him, "What do you need from me to help you not get caught in the middle of all this...?" He may need some solid protection from you to shield him from Mom, just like you used to do in the past. She may be feeding him bologna like, "Your Dad can't help you now, once we D then I am the only one responsible for you, so you better do what I say..." There may be something your lawyer and you can do to protect him from her...at his request of course... Ask him what protection he needs in all this...
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance!
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I met her yesterday. She didn't have to run around to get a passport, and she's in a pretty high rent neighborhood, so I would seriously doubt this was her first time.
She seemed to be in her late 40s, and lectures at the University as a guest lecturer on the subject of parenting evaluations.
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He may need some solid protection from you to shield him from Mom, just like you used to do in the past. She may be feeding him bologna like, "Your Dad can't help you now, once we D then I am the only one responsible for you, so you better do what I say..." I mentioned that to him the other night. I said "You know mom likes to threaten you with not paying for your school or kicking you out of the California house if you don't listen to her. I'm going to ask my lawyer to draw up a contract with mom's lawyer to make sure she can't do that anymore. That way mom and I will both put money into it for you to use on any school expenses." He nodded his head, and just seemed kind of melancholy. I think he'll recognize that I still love him. He gave my mom a hug when she left today. Besides, he knows that I give him free flight benefits! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I can't trust him, but I can protect him a little.
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