Thanks Gentlsoul


The conflicts in logic were beginning to fry my circuits. That's why I needed the reality check. I couldn't get my head around it!

Hey Gimble.


Pilot huh? That would explain the ego <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I think you would like the crowd I run with. We're all aircraft engineers, with some aircraft mechanics and pilots mixed in.



Right on Pebbles! As far as I can tell, all of her assertions are mind boggling incorrect. It's like she's in a different reality. I can understand having a different perspective, but this is too far off. I don't know where she got the WWJD. She's never felt comfortable with that type of talk. I sent it directly to my lawyer, and filled in some comments on my perspective too. I sent NO reply. I wanted to send a copy to the Psychologist, but didn't yet. It sounds a lot like the garbage that was pouring out of S18's mouth. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I guess I thought the fog would have cleared more by now.

So WWJD? He would take firm action against anyone who breaks up a family and has an A. Also he isn't too keen about those in the fog who are using his name in vain. I recall him throwing a few people and things around when people were mocking his father's name. So he is quite sensitive about names, reputations and the like. Lots of honor and loyalty. Not something you'd see in an A or the fog.

With all that said SNS, your W is still babbling. The crazy part is she believes you are buying it. Nutso.

Protect yourself and your children. Not much more t/d. Your W isn't nearby in any way shape or form. The character inhabiting her body is one you need to be very careful around. Her WS skills are being honed in the hell halls of WSU. To even bring in a highly respected person and use them as the basis of her babbling is outrageous and rude. Yet that is what some WS' have done.

Sorry you and your family are enduring that. Pray for that clear mind calm heart and lots of patience. Reality bites and when it does, it may be a real wake up call for her.

I remember when my H came out of the fog (it happened in spurts), he couldn't believe he said and did the things we told him. He just shook his head in disbelief. In time those bad A habits can creep up. I learned to give him a look that just chased them away. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

take care,
L.

She's using any weapon that she think will get to you. (My mother is an expert at this.) The crazy-making thing about this missive is the gloss of articulate reason, the show of dignified disappointment - she is positioning herself as a martyr, with all possible blame projected onto you. But there is little real attempt here to reach a workable solution in the best interests of DS8. What it really is is an attempt to find the weak points in your conscience, to see if she can get some leverage.

When someone fights dirty like this, they're getting desperate.

My advice would be to keep well clear of the WWJD argument. Don't engage her, and don't let her engage you on this. Then she won't know whether it's a useful weapon or not (you might have turned Buddhist in all this chaos!).

TogetherAlone

WWJD? He'd tell the adulterous woman to go her way and sin no more! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thanks StillHere



What the heck? It's been months now. Do you think that she'll come to reality with a court ruling? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />



Me too <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />. She's obviously been doing this justification for a long time to protect herself in some way. While Dr. Harley doesn't think going over past problems is generally helpful, I think in this case, she has some serious issues she needs to address from her past.



I hope so. The last time he blew up at me, he eventually came back and said he was over it, and he was dissappointed with WW. Is this considered brainwashing? Tell a lie enough times, and eventually it becomes true?



I won't give her the satisfaction. I think you may be right. She doesn't like to see me in control. She wants to believe she can affect me. Her lawyer says one thing and she says another. Speaking of which, I just forwarded it to my lawyer. This type of letter cannot help her position in court.

I really am amused by the statement that her stress has all gone away after the divorce paper was in place. She was still a raving nut on the phone after it was in place and I revoked my joinder. Her stress level seems to be low when she believes she has total control. She doesn't realize that if replacing a loving husband and family with isolation and an illicit affair relieves her stress, she's not healthy. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I don't want the boys to learn that's a happy healthy way to be. I'm doing my best to be upstanding. I roll my eyes a lot from her antics, but I don't say anything bad about her. People ask how I can be so happy. I think it's because I took the high road.... and no one is dying! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />




I sent it to the lawyer as soon as I read it. It sure gave me a nice snapshot of where her brain is. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Ahh, WW just called for DS8. She sounds so calm and polite. But when she gets off I just KNOW she's calling me names <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />. I'll try not to enjoy it too much.

Thanks Orchid, I needed that perspective no WWJD.


I thought along the same lines, but didn't want to judge too quickly. Christ would tell WW to go forth and sin no more AFTER she repented. We're not there yet! I also think he could drive the aliens out of her body, and cast them into swine! But that's not his plan right now. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

He also said something about protecting the little children, and that I can do. So, What Would Jesus Do? Kind of what I'm doing, but he would be perfect. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> (Thanks for the guidance Lord)

I haven't got it too bad. I feel for the poor Pastor's wives who have to go through this. OUCH!

One of my prayers is the God grants her clarity of mind to see what she has done, and repent. DS8 told me over a week ago.."Dad, God has a plan. It'll be OK." I looked at him and said, who told you that?? He just shrugged his shoulders. That's a WOW!

I'll have to work on that look in case I get the chance Orchid!

God Bless

Thanks TogetherALone,



EXCELLENT Observation. This is the part that was eluding me. The veneer of articulate reason is so paper thin, but it's there. She's still trying to rationalize her actions...to herself maybe. It can't be to me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
Eureka! If you allow yourself to follow the reason, I could see where it could be somewhat persuasive, but it's all smoke and mirrors to appear as a martyr. She doesn't give a damn about DS8 except as he meets HER needs. She used to bemoan the fact that S18 never called her and she would NOT call him. HELLO! Your the parent. YOU moved to Europe. Pick up the phone and call, or E-Mail. GROW UP!

I grew up with some of the best guilt trippers in the midwest. My mom taught me from an early age not to go. WW is an amateur! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hey KaylaAndy!

That's what I wanted to say! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> But I didn't respond. I'll have to let God convict her on his own, without my help. I'm sure he can handle it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

LOL <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You are KILLING ME Gentlsoul! The first time I read it I didn't want to completely dismiss it. She sounded so sincere. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Do you think this one should go into Orchid's Fog talk thread??

After 3 hours of Sylvan Center. It was father and son time. DS8 got an award for his hard work from Sylvan, and then it was off to get two small Bionicles as a reward from dad! Next, we were off to the company picnic. It's a big one too, and this year, Disney was helping with decorations, prizes, and Mickey Mouse made an apperance. Good picture of DS8 with Mickey. I even sent it to WW in Europe. To top it all off, we drove the MGB convertible all the way out and back. Wind in the hair, sun on the face. WW called while we were driving. DS8 said, "Mom, we're on our way to the picnic..... talk to you later.

On the way home, DS8 wanted to build a stuffed animal for WW at Build a Bear. He stuffed a horse for her. When you squeeze the hoof it plays a message from DS8. Tonight I even sent her pics of DS8

We made it home a little late, with a little sunburn.

Today began with WW calling to speak with DS8. Then, we headed for a ferry ride to the other side of the Puget Sound to have lunch with an old coworker. We fed cows and ate bratwurst. From there we drove to my friend's and DS8's "Uncle" for his 40th Bday. DS8 had a good time playing horseshoes and building Bionicles. I keep thinking I need to fill the time with fun now in case the courts send DS8 back to Europe.

I need to get to work tomorrow. These weekends wear me OUT! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

No comment from WW on the phone about my non-response to the LONG me me me letter she sent last week. She called late tonight to talk with DS8. That's nice. I just don't like it when she leads him into no win questions. "Do you want to come back to Europe?" Do you miss me? Do you miss your friends? Do you really like it here?

What's he supposed to say?! "No mom, it sucks!"

He was really upset she was interupting his cartoons tonight. "DAaaad!" I used to turn the TV off when she called, now, I'll just leave it on. If he wants to be distracted, then fine.

Sleepless, maybe your WW hasn't reacted to you not responding to her loooong email because she is working on a new manuscript of another epic tale. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> I'm sure she'll come up with something new. She is probably disappointed that you wouldn't 'play' by getting into a battle of words with her.

It sounds like you and your son have been having a lot of fun. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I am trying to imagine riding in an open-top convertible here. You'd be fried to a crisp in a matter of minutes. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Hi, Sleepless.

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You do know that there is NO law that you have to have your phone ringer turned on. In fact, there is no law that you have to have a phone.

Turn the damn ringer off and have some peace with your son.

God bless,
Gimble

You know, you're right. The court order says unlimited reasonable phonecalls. It doesn't say I have to make superhuman efforts to make him available. It really pisses her off when she can't get a hold of us either. DS8 has left the phone on by accident a couple of times, and nobody could call in. WW still thinks it was a conspiracy. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Took a half day off today to launch rockets. We were six for seven with successful launches. We lost a nose cone on one. DS8 was initially concerned until I explained we would get a new one at the store, and that was part of the fun. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I didn't put enough wadding in the big one so the parachute ejection blast blew a hole right through the middle of the chute! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Time for a new parachute too. I took video clips of about 3 shots.

Friday I'll be spoiling DS8. I got recognition at work, which earned me two tickets to the company's suite at the Mariner's stadium behind home plate. He's ready for that. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I was telling Pebbles on her thread that I sometimes wish WW would just stay out of DS8's life until she becomes rational again. S18 has already been corrupted. While I expect him to recover at some point, I would still like to shield DS8 from the rollercoaster.

I have a follow up call with the Psychologist on Friday. She has some other questions for me. I take that as a good sign for some reason.

I"M BACK!! WW is back to calling the phone and just saying, "may I speak to DS8 please". I've been really good about not saying almost anything about mom. The other day I even tried to remind him about things he did so he could tell mom. When DS8 got off the phone, he said, mom doesn't want you to tell me what to say anymore. OK, I won't. Drag your son's life experiences out of him.

Friday the parenting evauluator called to ask a few more quesitons. WW is bringing up sex life. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I'm not shy, and I can speak in clinical terms. WW also said I was keeping DS8 from her by leaving the phone off the hook, and not picking up. There were a couple of mishaps, but nothing intentional. Heck she kept DS8 from me for up to 5 days and I didn't squawk. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Friday night my company provide me two seats to the Mariner's baseball team in the company suite. This is right near the television and radio announcers,and comes equipped with free food and drink, a big screen plasma TV.... It would have been perfect if we had won!

Today we took our trip to Alaska for the day. Saw the lumberjack show, had a bald eagle fly 20 feet over our head checking out the spawning salmon in the river below. We even saw float planes taking off and landing. A really good day. WW called while we were there to talk to DS8. She told DS8 that she's afraid I'm saying bad things about her to other people, and that our friends don't like her. I told DS8 I hadn't been talking about mommy to anyone...., and I really haven't. I don't think the psychologist counts. He was momentarily excited when he relayed that mommy just wants to end all of this bad stuff and get on with life. "What do you think that means DS8?" "That mommy wants to end this bad stuff and move back in with us." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I had to tell him, "I don't think that's what mommy means..... but we'll see." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I do not like what she's doing to the boys. How can she not see that running away is not the road to happiness??

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Hi Sleepless.

You said on Peb's thread that no-one reads your posts any more.

I just wanted you to know that I do! I just don't have any wisdom to spread, that's all.

Alph.

Hi, Sleepless.

I am glad you had a good time with the rockets.

We used to buy the A size because you didn't mind losing them and they were a buck a piece. They also go quite high.

Your wife's verbal poisoning of your son needs to come to the attention of the court via whatever approved mechanism you have available, likely your lawyer. Please get it done today.

I am had very limited time lately due to a series of not funny catastrophes. Life is tough some days as you well know.

God bless
Gimble

Hiya sleepless,

Thought I would come over and say hi.It's been awhile.I am awash in my own mess at home(Mediation not going well,adversarial D looking more like it) so I hadn't been around for a bit.

Your WW sounds like she is so desperate.Somewhat like my STBXWH.He calls numerous times a day and it's really annoying.I could be mean and tell him to stop but I usually just keep my recorder on.Didn't we have that discussion before? Remember,getting reacquainted with it? LOL

Not only have things deteriorated a lot with my WH but I can see it's now a game of who can make the most fun for the girls.Where my WH barely did ANYTHING with us as a family before the A without a lot of prodding,now it's fun fun fun.Where can we go,what amount of $ can we spend on for events.I inadvertantly found out by a phone message that he is planning on taking them,next Summer,to another state,far away,to a certain park.This will include airplane travel and I wonder what other plans he has made without my knowledge.I still have to keep my PI skills up to date,that's for sure.

Well,I am so glad you are having a grand time with DS.Soak it all up and make the best of it.They are only this age once in their lives and my WH is missing out on a lot.I don't feel sorry for him.He chose this new life but I get all the perks of being the primary caretaker.Love it,love it!

Take care~

O

Oh I know, I see the viewing go up, but I wanted to throw a mild guilt trip on Pebbles. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />