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Hi, Sleepless.
Quote: ================================= Fantasy thinking is over. But I DO see an opportunity here to cut through the legal costs and have her concede to my requests for DS9...... but I'm not holding my breath. =================================
AAAAAAANNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKK. Wrong. No opportunity here except for your wife to do it to you one more time.
Shields up.
Gimble
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Sophocles said, "Enemies gifts are no gifts." Be very wary of your WW offer to discuss next steps - she is not to be trusted and with try to manipulate you into agreeing to what she wants and, when she is unable to do that, will resort to false allegations - she's already proven this.
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Hi sleepless,
Just came over to check in on you after a spell.Looks like the circus is still in town huh?! I am sorry though,as strong as you sound,it's still quite horrendous that you are being put through all of this and now the other "charge" which is ludicrous.How low can she go? This is deplorable.
Anyway,glad to hear DS sounds like he is doing well in school and you get to be with him.Can't say that I am not really disgusted though with how your STBX is dragging your DS along her demented ride,STILL.I hope he will be OK.
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Hi, Sleepless,
I don't think I've posted to you before, but I've followed your story. I wouldn't respond to your wife at all, unless it is to say that you prefer to handle all communication through your attorneys.
I've tried to imagine myself in your wife's shoes, and come up with a possible motive. Here goes:
"I can't believe that Sleepless hasn't been arrested and put in jail so I can get my son back! My lawyer hasn't done me much good, so I have to take matters into my own hands.
What to do? Hmmmm! I know! I'll let him know that if he wants to have a straightforward conversation about the next steps to take in the best interest of DS, he can call or email me. I'll make sure we meet somewhere private so I can seduce him. THEN, since I'll have the DNA evidence, I'll knock a few bruises onto myself, and scream "RAPE!", again. That should fix him up so I can get DS again!
If I can't seduce him, I'll just tear my clothes, bruise myself up, and scream, "Attempted rape!"
Granted, this is just what I think: but, I think your WW has proven herself to be capable of doing anything, no matter how crazy or criminal, to get what she wants. She probably thinks your talking to her about your son the other night is an indication that you still want her, so she may be cooking up a scheme such as what I've imagined. I think you should avoid her like the plague.
Maybe you should just forward her email to your attorney and let him respond to her attorney.
I think you're doing great!
"Your actions are so loud that I can't hear a word you're saying!"
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"I can't believe that Sleepless hasn't been arrested and put in jail so I can get my son back! My lawyer hasn't done me much good, so I have to take matters into my own hands. What to do? Hmmmm! I know! I'll let him know that if he wants to have a straightforward conversation about the next steps to take in the best interest of DS, he can call or email me. I'll make sure we meet somewhere private so I can seduce him. THEN, since I'll have the DNA evidence, I'll knock a few bruises onto myself, and scream "RAPE!", again. That should fix him up so I can get DS again! If I can't seduce him, I'll just tear my clothes, bruise myself up, and scream, "Attempted rape!" Lady C !!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> you may be dead-on-target .... let's hope you are NOT !!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> she just might be this pathetically desperate and vicious !!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> eeeeeeeeeeek
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Actually, I had the same thought, too.
Sleepless, if you do meet with her, videotape it/ tape record it and make sure you have a witness. This woman is beyond crazy. I told my FWH last night what was happening with you and he was so stunned.
We're both wishing you the best.
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Thank you EVERYONE! Just as a refresher. STBXW is in Paris. All conversations would be at a DISTANCE. Frankly, she scares me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />! Here's what my attorney said. Wow! I always like it when the parties talk; however, I don't trust this woman. I don't want you to be alone with her. I would want to know what she has in mind. Ask her in an e-mail. If you talk, tell her you want to record it and get her permission so that you both will have a record. Do not talk about her criminal allegations, because you do not want a written record of anything you say. That is critically important. The other possibility is to "talk" by e-mail. But I think that you need to sound her out first. Finally, we could set you two up with a mediator so that you can talk when she is in town in a safe setting. The Lawyer for Sleepless. Sorry everyone, but I'm going James Bond on you. I'm stepping into the fray. While I like the suggestions that she might try to manufacture rape results, she can't do it across 9 time zones. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Second. After her last round of losses in court... including the lack of traction on the rape charges, she just MIGHT see that her bargaining position is weak. She's seen how incompetent her lawyer is in person now too. So I offered E-Mail or telephoned conversations because, "there's not a lot of trust between us right now." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I don't trust her as far as I can throw a small bus. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> The negotiations will essentially be. The settlement requirements are XXXX with XXX in child support and YYYY visitation. If you don't accept these, I will ask for ZZZZ with ZZZZ child support and WWWW visitation. She KNOWS she's going to get the same judge that chastised her lawyer at the custody hearing. What does she want to risk. She is still manipulating DS9. BUT DS19 called on Friday and told me he was coming up for the weekend, but changed his mind because mom wanted him to be an intermediary between her and I, and have him drop off DS9 to me. DS19 said, "In my opinion,,.... and don't tell anyone I told you because mom would be really pissed, mom's acting pretty immature." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> "You're right DS19. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />"
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Hey Aussie's Wife. I'm sure that was painful! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
That's why I replied to her E-Mail today stating "there's not a lot of trust between us right now." WHOA! That's an understatement!
OK now, who wants more Alien babble posted on the bulletin board? I don't want to bore any of you. It's just STBXW's perspective on the whole thing. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
I know Orchid won't be able to resist!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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All RIGHT. Who thinks it's weird??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Hey Aussie's Wife. I'm sure that was painful! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
That's why I replied to her E-Mail today stating "there's not a lot of trust between us right now." WHOA! That's an understatement!
OK now, who wants more Alien babble posted on the bulletin board? I don't want to bore any of you. It's just STBXW's perspective on the whole thing. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
I know Orchid won't be able to resist!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Amaze us with that WS babble. Keep it up and you will have enough t/d a novel. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> L.
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Hi, Sleepless.
Quote: ==================================== All RIGHT. Who thinks it's weird??? ====================================
I think you need to do exactly what your lawyer tells you to.
Every time your wife acts odd, trouble comes behind it. You have seen the pattern throughout the entire ordeal.
At this point in your situation, you shouldn't use the toilet unless your legal counsel sanctions the event.
God bless, Gimble
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It is NOT OK for DS19 to be the intermediary!!!
Come up with an alternative, and if she disagress, make sure this gets brought up in court...and the change happens...talk about putting the kids in the middle...
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SleeplessnSeattle, I did get your message, but was sick yesterday and didn't have email access at home. I hoped that we could have gotten together to talk or at least schedule a time to do so when I was back. I just want to know realistically what you define as "success" in this process. I need to know if you feel we need to continue in this manner or if we can try to come to some agreement so that DS9 can have some stablity. I am concerned about him. (My lawyer) contacted (your lawyer) about the GAL (Guardian Ad Litem) last week, but they are still working on names. The impression that (My Lawyer) passed on to me, was that (Your Lawyer) is not concerned about controling expenses and seems driven to going to trial on our case no matter what it costs. When (My Lawyer) tries to control costs, (Your Lawyer) says that divorces are expensive an that we have assets. If she keeps us in a confrontational mode she gains financially from it and what is the point. (She sounds a little like a 10 year old on a temper tantrum <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />) We only have so much to divide up. My lawyer indicated that if we go to trial on this, the amount we have each spent will double and possibly triple. I don't doubt it, but I wonder how necessary it is.
(Your Lawyer) doesn't appear to have any interest in compromise or cost savings and seems prepared to litigate everything. This is reflected in the GAL and the costs for the ones she likes versus the ones that (My Lawyer) has suggested. There is also mediation (we are required to to to a settlement conference or mediation). She wants to go to private mediation, which doesn't seem necessary, since it is offered free through the court. Also, (My Lawyer)has been trying to meet deadlines per the case schedule, but (Your Lawyer) has completely ignored it with the interrogatories, leading us to make a motion, which costs us both extra money. The actions that I have had to take each time resulted from (Your Lawyer) appearing to "run out the clock" for me in deciding to file a motion or wait for compromise from her, most of which never come or is so unreasonable, they lead us to the litigation. Is it really your idea to litigate every time I want to see DS9? (No, I didn't want to litigate the last time!) Do you really expect me not ot try and see him when I can? Is this her strategy or yours?
You told me before that you would be receptive to us coming to some sort of property settlement, but I don't get that sense from your lawyer. I know that you already have the appraisals for all 3 properties, based on that we should be able to come to some agreement before having to go to trial, if at all. I just know that this isn't any good for DS9 since he keeps thinking things might change and that he will be able to come and live with me. (Are you sure that's not you??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />) I don't want to lead him on since I don't see you wanting to do anything to change the situation, which you could do...(at which time I would be committed to an insane asylum...) so I want to try to come to some agreement so DS9 will begin to know what life it going to be like for him. I hope that you would put him first in your thoughts.
We had an agreement in April which would have provided DS9 with some sort of normalacy, minimizing the effects of the divorce on him. Can we try to work something out here or at least settle our property issues? I know that (Your Lawyer)has not even started on her questions for me, but I am not sure what the benefit would be since all the records are there with you related to the property. With all this, tell me what you think you would be willing to do as the next steps.
STBXW I responded as follows: I am reassured to hear that you're concerned about DS9. I was concerned when you objected to him speaking with a child counselor and rejected my request that you should speak with his counselor, that you were not really thinking about DS9. I was personally glad to hear you had him speak with a counselor in Paris. the counselor in Seattle has helped DS9 a lot. I know DS9 is my primary concern.
Yes, divorces can be expensive. I know I mentioned that when this started. I think you'll find that my lawyer will be perfectly happy to have this settled between us. I thought that's what we were going to do in September, but since then I've been spending a lot of hours responding to Your Lawyer.
If you really want to come to an agreement, without a lot of legal fees that would be great. Once the divorce is settled, we won't need a GAL anymore either. But the GAL is there to protect Detlef's best interest. I just don't want another lawyer involved. I want the GAL to have some psychologist background.
You can ship all of your stuff that remains here down there if you like. The good news for you is that after the divorce, the California house can be your primary residence and if you do decide to sell in the future, you can roll the balance into another house with no tax penalties. If you agree to this quickly, we may be able to get everything refinanced before interest rates go through the roof. That would be good.
I still need about to be paid for Dr. Hedrick's ticket to Paris and half of the appraisals, which totalled $900 for all three. The Psychologist's ticket was around $1200.
Finally, I'll need you and your lawyer to propose how much child support you're going to pay.
I don't want to put too much time into this unless I have some assurance from you that you really don't want to go to court again. You changed your mind in September, and today I got Claire's latest court filing to fine me $250 for filling out her mountain of interogatories when she could have simply called and asked for them. If you think you can get her to hold off long enough from filing some other piece of paperwork, we can probably work it out.
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Hi, Sleepless.
I read your wife's email and your reply. Your reply sounded fine and reasonable
BUT
the woman you are speaking to has brought rape charges against you. She will also use anything that you say, write or whisper under your breath, or anything she can imagine for that matter, against you. She has a proven track record. She also has a criminal record.
Please, please, please, communicate with her only via your lawyer regardless of what it costs.
Legal eagles please correct me if I am wrong.
I am very sorry that this has been so hard for you Sleepless.
God bless, Gimble
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Gimple's right. Protect yourself, Sleepless.
Me BS 44 XH 45 M 20 years D19 D12 DDay 11.29.04 Separated 12.29.04 Plan A 24.02.05 Plan B 10.9.05 Plan D 2.2.06 Divorce 13.6.06 OW - former friend and D12's x-godmother (Skunkypoo) OWH - philander, XH's former best friend (still shares skunkypoo with XH)
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Sleepless
I feel your response should have been something like ...
I would welcome a move to negotiate directly and with good faith, that however would indicate that there existed some respect and honesty between us, however, after your allegations of rape , which followed your allegations of x of y of ,,,,[list here & see attached page]..... then you will understand that any future contact shall be through my lawyer.
yours
Sleepless
YES I KNOW you probably couldn't send it ,,but I bet you felt like it!!!!
All the best AW
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Oohh the confused babble of a WS. She wants U to settle NOW? She wants U to give up using your lawyer to protect your family's rights?
Man, she is one dangerous WS. Now she is attempting to shield herself and using your son as the shield.
She is still babbling and now you have it in writing.
Give a copy to your lawyer. For those who don't know the background, she sounds semi-sane but for those of us that know more of the story.....it's just another round of WS babble.
take care, L.
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Interesting that she mentions the possibility of being 'committed to an insane asylum'. Meant as a joke, but I wonder how much subconscious stuff is going on here?
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Sleepless, Your attorney gave you great advice. while the rape charge is out there, you do not get in the same place with WW alone. At the same time, your attorney needs the information that your wife is willingly providing. So, it is okay to talk to her via email, and sound her out for what she is thinking. You see, then your attorney can use thsi as a baseline in court, if it goes that far. In the meantime, who knows? You might get a compromise that works out of her without breaking the bank. But the big issue is that if your wife wants to speak, let her speak. In the conversation, she will spill out her plans and her position...as she did a little in that last email. Dont shut that down! Every bit of intel that you can hand your attorney helps your case. One other note...one yoru attorney should pick up on fro mthat email. Did you notice how your WW kept saying she wanted to do what's best for your son? But strangely, she concentrated on the division of assets. Even her last statement showed that: We had an agreement in April which would have provided DS9 with some sort of normalacy, minimizing the effects of the divorce on him. Can we try to work something out here or at least settle our property issues? Your wife is worried about the money. This is where a deal can be made!! She is less worried about your son. So, your attorney should be able to figure out (with more intel as your wife sends more emails concerning what she is looking for) what you can offer that will also keep son with you, and not break the bank. Keep open the email channels. Let her propose things...and you respond with "let me think on that." Then get your attorney's call on it and then respond. This will help you in two ways. First, as I said before, it will get more intel for you and yoru attorney. And second, you will look like a very compromising man in front of the judge and show that you will be a parent that will provide maximum access for your son to his mother. So, stay off of the rape stuff. Leave the emails to discussing the business at hand...but dont confirm or agree to anything until you talk with attorney first. In His arms.
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