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Thanks for the concern Gimble. I've been urged to proceed with communication provided the subject of any criminal charges are not part of the discussion and all communication is documented via an approved taped conversation, or written E-Mail. My lawyer gets a copy of all correspondence. She'll get nothing from me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

She sent a reply today, but I'll read it after church! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

OOhhh and it's her birthday tomorrow. The big 39. I'll have to update my signature.

Keep the faith everyone!


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If she didn't write this stuff down, you would think I was making it up! For the love of God the mother ship must be headed for Uranus because the signals have GOT to be breaking up.

Note: I apologize for the discussion of assets in this case. I recognize that not everyone has the same dilemna. I hope you will simply be amused by the ludicrous bickering that can ensue if you try to deal rationally with an irrational person. I realize that some do not have assets to negotiate over.

In the intrest of keeping some of the money from the lawyers and negotiating a compromise, I collected appraisals from licensed appraisers for our houses (3). Her reply?

First she needed to spend 3 paragraphs telling me why this was all my fault and how I had abused her. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> (I've decided eek isn't enough and we need an animation where the jaw just drops to the ground) So she's much happier now to be rid of me AND this all would have been over in July if I had just let her and DS9 go. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Yep... OK.

And then she explained how I was unreasonable.

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I had mentioned it in our last dialogue, but wanted to make sure it was still clear here.  I have used the numbers from your appraisals for the houses AT this POINT only. However, I still think the estimates for (house 1)is high given all the work that is needed, and (house 2) as well since (my friend) is looking now and says that is high, but most importantly- the fact that (our tenant)bought one in our building just a month ago for $XYZ.  I can't accurately speak to (your house)since I haven't been following the real estate market there, but seems low to me.  Right now I want to focus on the bigger picture things philosophically, and I may be getting appraisals as well. If they come out the same or close, then we just have double the confirmation that the division of assets will be equitable. 


I think that was the whole point of the appraisals. Get unadulterated estimates. There's no negotiation.

She also deleted the value of our retirement funds from the assets and said it wasn't worth including. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Now she also wants to estimate the value of furniture in four different locations. She just kind of rattled of her ideas about what the stuff is worth. Apparently because she doesn't like the fact she will owe me money.

I was civil! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I started with, "Trying to lecture me is not really constructive at this point. Let's stick to the issues."

"If you don't like the house estimates, that's fine, but they were all done by licensed appraisers based on actual home sales. Getting another set of licensed appraisers to develop new estimates would come up with similar numbers and simply add cost to the exercise."

"If you want to estimate the value of the furniture for court, you'll need to hire an appraiser to fly to Europe, and three cities in the U.S. to estimate the values. I think the cost to generate those estimates might not be worth it. Let's stick to real money."

I conceded a couple of minor points but she doesn't seem to understand that she's going to lose in court. BIG TIME! The judge does NOT like her lawyer since the time she told the judge that she didn't need to consider the court appointed psychologist's opinion on what was best for DS9. No! listen to me instead! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That was priceless. Envision a judge looking over her glasses at STBXW's council telling her, "I can make up my own mind on this matter, but thank you for the advice." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

I can't believe STBXW is paying her money!

So now I'm on hold waiting for the nutcase to respond.

We haven't even gotten to custody issues yet. Can't wait for that.

I did notice a thread in her responses though. It's still what I did to her. She cannot associate that she is responsible for her own actions and the results from those actions.

I had a party two weeks ago with all of our friends and her coworkers. They're all just great and happy to see DS9 is in a safe place. They were all shocked to hear that the judge didn't believe I could be "bosom buddies" with all of these people. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

DS19 is calling me more often. We're even joking on the phone again. He's telling me confidentially about how mom is bugging him and acting weird... and then begged me not to say anything in court. He's doing much better. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

DS9 doesn't like to call mom too much. He misses her a lot. He misses his school in Europe too. But he's comfortable at home, and can't wait to visit his cousins in the Midwest again.

I'm trying really hard to imagine that women might be attractive to me again someday. But it's hard to work up the motivation. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

It's good to be loved and to know that someone is there for you.

God Bless.

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Hi, Sleepless.

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I did notice a thread in her responses though. It's still what I did to her. She cannot associate that she is responsible for her own actions and the results from those actions.
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It will be a while before the truth finally slaps her around a bit. Somewhere after court is over and custody is in place.

I am glad you and young son are doing well.

Please exercise caution with your older son. He has a proven record that blood is thicker than spaghetti. You can't trust him. Make sure you don't discuss his mother with him.

Hang in there, it will be over soon enough, and there are plenty of good women out there just waiting for a guy like you - slightly used but wiser for the wear <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

God bless,
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Please exercise caution with your older son. He has a proven record that blood is thicker than spaghetti. You can't trust him. Make sure you don't discuss his mother with him.

Don't worry. He's on a short leash. But he's really been behaving very well. At age 19, they're still kids inside. He'll figure it out.

Thanks for the encouragement about the women. I actually look at other women now which I had always restricted myself from when I was married. But it's hard for me to get really motivated about what I see in them. I think the shock of how a person can change so dramatically just popped a circuit breaker.... and I need to let it reset. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I can see my STBXW sent another E-Mail on the "assets", but I'm not really motivated to open it up. I'm not exactly chicken, but close. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Good night Gracie! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Are you ok sleepless? Haven't heard from you in a few days so was just passing by to check that you were ok.

Take care of you & DS9

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Life may feel as if you are constantly getting kicked on a daily basis, living is about picking yourself up each day and going on and on and on regardless.

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But not really. DS9 and DS19 are in Europe with mom from last week until Dec. 29. I've called a couple of times, and they seem to be doing OK.

The really exciting news is the conversation I had with psycho wife. She doesn't believe I want to negotiate a settlement, but I assured her that would be terrific <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />.

STBXW: I guess you aren't going to let DS9 come back to Europe.
Me: (Ahh, the mother ship is back in range!) That can't happen unless you address some of the issues you have with anger and hostility as outlined by Dr. Parenting Evaluator.
(Ooops Love Buster!)
STBXW: You KNOW I only got like that because of what YOU did to me. (Glad to see she's starting to take responsibility) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

She wants to revisit money again because she says she can't agree to what I asked. What I asked??? It's pretty simple math. Let's see. 4 divided by 2 equals 2.... not 1.5. Is this new math??

STBXW: I can't get a loan for that much!
Me: Then sell something. Use your 401K.
STBXW: I'm not going to do that! I would have to pay a penalty.
Me: (How is that my problem?) Well there are different ways to come up with that.

STBXW: Well the kids don't want me to sell anything.

Me:(Translation: Take less money for the children and me me me me) Well let's go to the mediation.

STBXW: Well we get 3 hours free through the court. (Keep in mind this woman makes over six figures.)

Me: Ummmm. It might be more efficient to use a retired judge who's more familiar.

STBXW: You just want to waste money. (How she said that with a straight face I'm not sure. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />)

Me: OK. We'll use the free three hours. If it doesn't work out, we'll find another one.

STBXW: You know you seem in a big hurry to rush to court. Always stalling. If it goes to court, the new judge is going to see things differently now. You know what you did to me.

Me: You know, I don't think anyone believes your imaginary police charges, and we're not going to talk about them anymore. So I hung up.

So if she can maintain sanity for a couple of weeks, I might not have to spend (waste) another $20,000 on lawyers. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It seems her lawyer has now agreed to sign a parenting plan that I'll write up with my lawyer on Friday. Then we'll put the money in really simple terms that even an alien can understand, and a mediator will explain it to her SLOWLY!

I am doing so much better now. Life is progressing along. The boys are doing great. My aunt is trying to introduce me really hard to a very tall 35 year old woman who I remember when I was a kid. Apparently we're perfect for each other. I'm doing it as a courtesy and to take the pressure off this very nice woman who is being conspired against. Even the woman's mom is in on it!

Right now, I'm just not motivated to initiate a relationship. I don't really find any women really attractive. Anybody else go through that? I hope it's just the stress of terminating the marriage. Does the desire to be with members of the opposite sex come back?

Merry Christmas everyone.

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Hi, Sleepless.

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Right now, I'm just not motivated to initiate a relationship. I don't really find any women really attractive. Anybody else go through that? I hope it's just the stress of terminating the marriage. Does the desire to be with members of the opposite sex come back?

Merry Christmas everyone.
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You know you should stay away from other women for a good while yet. Not fair to them or you, and it could possibly jeopardize your legal standing.

It is unfortunate to observe that your wife hasn't learned anything yet. She will, but likely at a much later date.

Sorry for your pain, but I am glad to see you with some serious sand.

Merry Christmas and God bless,
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You know you should stay away from other women for a good while yet. Not fair to them or you, and it could possibly jeopardize your legal standing.

Hadn't really considered the legal issues of the subject. So it's more of a blessing in disguise. And think of the money I'm saving. No Christmas presents required for a "significant other"! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I don't want to sound like I'm in pain, because I'm not. It's just another problem for me to solve. It's what I do best, both professionally and privately. This is a joyful season for me. My kids are healthy, my family loves me. Life is GREAT!


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Hi, Sleepless.

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This is a joyful season for me. My kids are healthy, my family loves me. Life is GREAT!
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And that is the truth!

All the other stuff is just minor challenges <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

God bless,
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Howdy! My first time popping in for eons <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

you said: Right now, I'm just not motivated to initiate a relationship. I don't really find any women really attractive. Anybody else go through that? I hope it's just the stress of terminating the marriage. Does the desire to be with members of the opposite sex come back?

Supposedly, yes, but its slow and painful.... I don't really trust anyone anymore, and I wonder, "So what are YOU hiding? What are the skeletons in YOUR closet?" whenever I meet a chap who has eyes for me. Poor men, they never stand a chance for a VERY long while! I read in a divorce recovery book that the average person takes around two years to recover from a divorce... I'm assuming that starting period starts from seperation, not divorce day itself? I might be wrong though <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but its almost been two for me, and I can say, I ain't over it yet! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Which honestly, is a GOOD thing, because I've been very introspective and used this as a huge growth time for ME. Recapturing the essence of who I am, fulfilling goals and dreams, finding my passions. Time heals wounds, but I'm suspecting there will always be scars.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Which honestly, is a GOOD thing, because I've been very introspective and used this as a huge growth time for ME. Recapturing the essence of who I am, fulfilling goals and dreams, finding my passions


I think I'm going to get my pilots license. Visit some friends and one day find a nice girl to share it all with. In the mean time I've got two sons to take care of who really need a solid influence. I think I've grown a lot already, but I'm not going to make a mistake this big next time. She won't be perfect, but she can at least be forgiving, and understanding. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Hey sleepless, just wanted to say "hi".


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Hi, Sleepless.

Here is an interesting link for you.

Abusive and Violent Women in Relationships

http://home.earthlink.net/~elnunes/abuse.htm

God bless,
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..I think I'm going to get my pilots license. Visit some friends and one day find a nice girl to share it all with. In the mean time I've got two sons to take care of who really need a solid influence. I think I've grown a lot already, but I'm not going to make a mistake this big next time. She won't be perfect, but she can at least be forgiving, and understanding. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

So does this mean, you can fly around the country and take MBers from point A to B??!?!? Give discounts? Book me on a flight that take me out to the GA area....been wanting to go & visit Peachy. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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he better...SIS can come get me and pebbles then we can go save poor peachy from the pitts...and then we can all fly to hawaii and bother...I mean visit orchid... muhahahaha.

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Hey surviving,

I talked 2 u over 1 hour ago and u said u were going to sleep. Whacha doin' up?!??!!? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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The insomnia called my father decided i wasn't allowed to go to bed until the kitchen was cleaned...WTF i'm 27...besides that I cooked...I wasn't supposed to be the one cleaning.

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The insomnia called my father decided i wasn't allowed to go to bed until the kitchen was cleaned...WTF i'm 27...besides that I cooked...I wasn't supposed to be the one cleaning.

Well, we finished dinner and the dishes are in the sink..... I think 27 years old is old enough t/d my dishes....wanna come over and do some overtime?!?!?!? LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Just do the dishes and go to bed. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Stop grumbling. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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Hi SNS,

Hope you're doing well. Just wondering if everything is OK.


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^bump^ for GoodFather


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