Good Evening too everyone <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mom,

Neaksis would not hold the umbrella over me today so now im sun burned. On my arms and face i look like a lobster. But the roof was {ALMOST} done. I hear my dear father-inlaw is looking for me with some more "suggestions". <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/teary.gif" alt="" /> after this im going to need a vacation.

The folks on Idiotville, and even a nameless serious thread, will be relieved to know that AJ has now changed his preferences. His posts are now colored in 'desert', so I will no longer make the mistake of thinking I am logged in when I am not. No more mysterious feminine-sounding posts from poor AJ. Whew!

"Suggestions," huh? Let's call it what it is. Look at the noble lion over here. See its distinctive profile. That sleek head. Those beautiful fluffy feathers covering its round body, and flapping wings. The short little legs, and orangey webbed feet. And from its oddly-protruding mouth, you can hear no roaring, but instead, a sound that is strangely-reminiscent of a quack. Gasp! That's no lion. It's a D........U.........C.........K!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> If changing a name could change reality, I'd label myself "Donald Trump," retire from my hated schedule, and start the party. Sigh.


Are you hinting that I should ditch him and take you instead to Hawaii with Grandpa and me? Don't be sill------- Hm-m-m-m-m-m-m........... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

t&l

Or a McDonald's croissandwich, like the one I had a couple of mornings ago. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />. Maybe they're using government cheese ???????!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> It would certainly explain a lot.

t&l

I wouldn't know about Micky Ds. I'd rather staple my tongue to my desk. I'm a Whataburger kind of kiddo.

Hi to Neak and AJ.

- Kimmy

Hi from both of us, and thanks to Lady C, B, AD, CSue, and anyone else that my poor pregnant memory has neglected to include, who sent their kind welcomes. AJ usually has me type everything for him, since I love typing and he doesn't.

Well, time to run off and ask the Dervish what he's doing. The way the story came to me, he was outside trying to catch wasps for his cousin's bug collection........by urinating on them.

Yes I do need a translator, I do it myself, but still I have to do it. Which means that when I have to study I translate everything from english to spanish otherwise I can't unerstand <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> It's very weird.
On the other hand I have great difficulty reading in spanish. I skip through the words, or read only the first paragraph of the newspaper articles. I think I've only read 2 or 3 books in spanish, but THOUSANDS in english.

Now about infidelity, I only think in english so if WH ever comes back I'm going to have to do a lot of translating!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> In spanish we don't even have a proper word for affair! and there are a lot of others that cannot be adequately translated.

Well if WH ever comes back, I'll let you know what I said...

>The way the story came to me, he was outside trying to catch wasps for his cousin's bug collection........by urinating on them.


Ah. Boy. If you can't nail it down, shoot it, or eat it, pee on it.

This should only be surprising to people who have never MET the Dervish. Please tell him with as much conviction and force as you can muster, that he is NOT EVER allowed to catch bugs this way in my house!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

t&l

P.S. Where the dickens are you? Been trying to call and see if you need me to come over and pick up Little Balaam and do school with him, but nobody is answering the phone! I don't know who's getting a bigger reprieve, Balaam or me. Or is he the donkey today? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

If you're gonna do that whole sequence, though, you've gotta be REALLY careful about the order! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

t&l

He sounds like a "creative" type!

FOR FEMALE EYES ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Be careful of the censors. Some of them may habla Espanol, after all, and you wouldn't want to get bleeped! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Is the no-word-for-affair thing possibly because in Latin cultures, among others, men are more-or-less expected to have wandering eyes, among their other straying body parts...so that there's less negative conotation (if any at all) associated with sexual activity outside of marriage? I do remember hearing that Muslim women wear veils because Islam teaches that men are so helplessly-susceptible to the overpowering allures of females that if women are uncovered, no man can resist them! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> We have a little convenience store in Burson. It's owned and run by Muslims, and I've never noticed them unable to resist ME, even when I come wafting through in shorts and a tank top. There are WAY more cultural excuses for bad male behavior than there are for bad female behavior. I think that's a pretty universal attitude, regardless of the culture. Not that women can't behave badly without cultural backing and approval! Still, as a general rule, I'm going with the saying, "A woman has to work half as hard as a man to be twice as good. Fortunately, this is not difficult." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We'd better put this post in code or something. We don't want to go treading on any sensitive male toes. You looked anyway, didn't you? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> So don't go blaming me!

t&l

You are tactful beyond belief. I'd go with "diabolically-inventive" myself. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> I'd tell you which other child the little darling reminds me of, but I'm still trying to live down the reputation, so don't want to give any hints. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

t&l

Does that mean you hate poor Ronald, or are you a closet masochist who just enjoys tongue stapling? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

t&l

I really don't know whether this is true. It seems to be common in all cultures. We need some hard facts to compare.
I know my youngest brother was appalled and never talked to WH again. He just couldn't believe or accept it. He actually was the one who spied on WH and proved it and he couldn't even face me to tell me.
I guess the world is divided into those who think it's ok and those who don't.

I had told WH many times to let me know if he ever felt attracted to someone. I didn't want to be the last to know. But of course I suppose he thinks "he's different". I was the last to know. and he still denies that anything is wrong. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

But it's true that there is no word like "affair". You actually have to say inappropriate relationship or plain cogiendo!

Everybody tends to think their particular circumstances are so unique and special. The WSs have "never loved like this before." No one else ever made them "feel this way." But if you read story after story on this board, you quickly become aware that there are very common themes running through all the tales of woe--and that what is trying to be presented by the wanderers as some special occurrence (with extenuating circumstances, of course!), is really just plain, old run-of-the-mill infidelity like all the other cheaters are having.

After hearing Lady Clueless about her chimney, I'm even having to come to consider the possibility that HP isn't as oddly singular as I had always thought. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Now THAT is shocking, let me tell you! Maybe I'm NOT married to the most annoying man in the world. Suddenly I feel strangely diminished, my specialness decreased and devalued. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I am Not-so-you-neak's mother, NothingOutoftheOrdinary. Sigh. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

t&l

cheaters are all similar. it's the BS who are unique!

I tried already to express my realization that my vision of MS is, of necessity, if not partly imagined, at least somewhat unsubstantiated. How could it not be? We knew each other fairly well through letters, etc., but actual time spent in each other's physical presence has been minimal. Still, by this stage in my life, I have a much better ability to assess people than I did yesterday when I was young <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, and I am confident of my general assessment of him, based on what I saw, heard, and experienced in the meetings we've had in our later adulthood. I also said that I am fully aware that he inevitably has his own secrets and hidden corners, and even facades, which the public never sees, or doesn't recognize for what they are. I mean, if you heard me up front speaking for the church service, you would never--based on what you hear me say--think to yourself, "I'll bet when she was young she discussed with a prison inmate how to kill her husband, and then when that didn't work out, tried to sell her soul to the devil if he'd die on his vacation...with their baby daughter." (If you're new to this thread, you'll have to go back and find that story for yourself. It's there somewhere in the Saga, and I'm absolutely not telling it again!)

Es, of EsWa, once told me, "Oh, Susan, you and MS would NEVER have been happy together." Really? How does she know? And this unhappy life with MS would be opposed to the life of constant joy and pleasure I've had with HP? Give me a break. I'm past the "run free as the wind--forever" view of life and marriage...with anybody. But nobody will ever convince me that MS and I could've done ANY worse at forging a life and a relationship than HP and I have. It might not have been any better at all. Maybe it would only have been a different kind of bad. We'll never know, will we? But it could not have been any worse. I'm not going to try and pretend that I loved him more than anybody else has ever loved--more than all of you love your spouses, for example. That would be silly. But I'm not necessarily going to believe that I loved him any less, either.

What we might have made for ourselves will forever remain a mystery. I am much too cynical about men to try and build another relationship with anybody, even if I were free to do so. I enjoy men a lot...as friends. I was always, as a child and young woman, closer to my dad than to my mom. (Until I got married and had a HP of my own, at which time I became increasingly sympathetic to her over the years!) Not sports and cars and tools and stuff like that (including roofing techniques!), but very often I'd rather listen to what the men are hashing over than what the women are talking about. At least at family get-togethers it tends to work that way. But personal intimacy with a "new" male? You have GOT to be kidding.

This is one of the main reasons I haven't felt uncomfortable seeing MS again, even though I came to accept that I love him and I always will. I don't want anything from him. I know that, at some level at least, he loves me. I hope to see him in heaven (actually on the cloud, so we don't have to wait until we get there). But nothing else. What I've got is good enough for me. This is my head talking, of course, and saying the most logical and reasonable things. I am grateful for my husband's presence in my life, however, even on his most annoying days, if for no other reason than that he's Stupidity Insurance against my ever being tempted to ignore my head by listening to a heart that might try, by overwhelming logic with a flood of emotion, to convince me to grasp at a few aging straws of happiness before I die.


Interesting you should say that. I've said before that Neakbro is the one, out of all 4 kids, who is most like his dad in temperament, although he looks just like my dad. Pity that couldn't have been reversed! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> One day, when he was in his teens, we were driving away from my folks' house, and my dad was out in the yard, waving goodbye to us and cavorting around in a humorous fashion as we left. Neakbro waved to his grandpa, then turned to me and said, "You're so lucky to have him for a father." So I'm not the one doing the comparing. Really, truly I don't. If I had more leisure time, maybe I'd have more temptation to do so. But just running from job to job the way I do, I just don't do it. But I do know other people notice sometimes. Do I have to be the Thought Police for them, or can they think what they like, as long as I keep my own thoughts under control, and properly directed? Your honor, I object. That was a leading question. Overruled.

Well, I just heard from Little Balaam, or his donkey--I'm not sure which--and I have to go to his house in my angel-with-flaming-sword guise and crack the metaphorical whip. Or literal. I'm not telling! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

t&l

Hanky-panky is the best Spanish can come up with? In English, that has a playful, mischievous componnent to it that is entirely inadequate to convey the devastation and destruction that infidelity causes. I think you guys need a new word!!!

t&l