Don't worry about it Neak - this guy is way out there. He seems to be very knowledgable, but has some different beliefs.

Here is the link to the bible.com Search on Marriage . What I put above was the most applicable verse I saw, but maybe you will see what you're looking for.

Here's one more from James 1, just because I can't resist.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:

14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.

Thanks Neak. I'm a long-time Christian, but I guess I need more work in Scripture. I'm sort of a compliant person. When it says "Thou Shalt Not Kill", I get it, and try to obey.

But oftentimes, when someone wants the exact scripture, I struggle.

Believer--I'll "talk" to you about the text later. Right now I've got a headache that would fell a moose, and don't feel like it. I think all that fleeing and escaping in my so-called sleep is getting to me! Maybe today will be an improvement. And it'd jolly-well better, too. This is my 3rd 12-hr. shift and I've still got another 3 to go before I get my one night off...I'll be a REAL prize by Friday if this continues the rest of the wk.

My patient's calling. Gotta go. Honestly. First her family's unhappy because her contractions are too close, and now they're worried because they're too far apart. It is I, OtherSusan the Contraction Cop...to the rescue! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

t&l

Morning & evening to the neaks!! "the neaks" ..lol <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Just to show that there is humour even in the worst of times and places, my lovely lost in love DD got this email from her Jonnie boy.... truly I'm not sure if he's pulling our legs or not .... long history with a similar man begs me to take care and read beyond the surface ...but I withhold judgement... though I think I feel like banging my had against a wall somewhere <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Hi DD,

Just another note from your bottom-dwelling fella. Last week I had a bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately when I couldn't email you but I had a good reason, so I thought I would share my dilemma with you to make you realize it's not so bad after all.

Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must bore you with a few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at the bottom of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wetsuit. This time of year the water is quite cool that far down in the gulf.
So what we do to keep warm is this: We have a diesel
powered industrial 'water heater'; this $50,000 piece of equipment sucks water out of the sea.
It heats it to a delightful temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver through a hose, which is taped to the air hose.

Now this sounds like a damn good plan, and I've used it several times with no complaints.
What I do, when I get to the bottom and start working, is take the hose and stuff it down the back of my wetsuit. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's like working in a Jacuzzi. You remember what it was like in the Jacuzzi?
Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my [censored] started to itch.
So, of course, I scratched it.

This only made things worse. Within a few seconds my [censored] started to burn.
I pulled the hose out from my back, but the damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened. The machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit. Now, since I don't have any hair on my back, I told you its NOT for looks it for the wetsuit, the jellyfish couldn't stick to it.
However, the crack of my [censored] was not as fortunate. When I scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually
grinding the jellyfish into the crack of my [censored]. I informed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the communicator.

His instructions were unclear due to the fact that he, the ******, along with five other divers- all ******, were all laughing hysterically.
Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed to make three agonizing in-water decompression stops totalling thirty-five minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber dry decompression.

When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing nothing but my brass helmet. As I climbed out of the water, the medic, with tears of laughter running down his face, another ******,
handed me a tube of cream and told me to rub it on my [censored] as soon as I got in the chamber.

The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't sh*t for 4 days because my [censored] was swollen shut. In fact I couldn't move for 4 days from the decompression chamber.
So, next time you're having a bad day at uni, think about how much worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved up your [censored].
And thats why I couldn't email you.


Honestly I tried NOT to laugh, really really I did, I think I've upset DD ..rotflmao still ...... lol <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

That's an old story that's made the rounds under several variations. I don't know it was originally an urban legend or not. Don't have time to Google it right now to see if it started out as a true story and was then adopted and re-adopted over the years. However, if you go to snopes.com (I think) and put jellyfish/diver into their "search" bar, I bet you could find out if it's considered a true urban legend.

Back to the orifice... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

t&l

Yep that was my thought t&l sounded too funny and and well .. a bit scripted..but funny story any way.

I dont think DD saw the joke ..... told her was probably just her bloke playing around with her as he couldn't tell her what he was doing.
DD didn't think it all that funny..thought he was avoiding her questions <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I told her of course he was, he's not allowed to say anything.

Might have to give DD a humour transfer ... can you remember being SO intense ? I MUST be getting old. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That's what moms are for - to get the jokes their children don't.

The Neaks: You_neak; Her_neak (Neaksis); Me_neak (aka S_neak the Ant_eak--who could THAT be?); and the extended family, including the muscle man, Phys_eak, the sad sack, Path_a_teak; the black sheep, Mo_zamb_eak; the hostile, fault-finding know-it-all, Crit_eak; the gloomy foreboder, Bl_eak; the unfortunate man whose voice never changed, Squ_eak; the oddball nut, Fr_eak; the yappetity, chatty one, Sp_eak; the one no one can understand, Gr_eak; the tinkerer and fixer-upper, Tw_eak.

I'm sure there are more, but I'm sleepy and I give up for now. Who else can you add to the relatives? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

t&l

now thats Fr eak y hehehe I was thinking along the same lines when I fell asleep at the computer <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

The house is quiet .... scary ..... Mikey is asleep

DD is sleeping after long & meaningfuls with Jonnie boy -- feel like the Waltons here <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> - every family gathering when we say hey john boy we're going to get 7 responses!!

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

DS is at training camp north east of Perth learning about lots of nasty things I would he rather not learn about.... I suppose HE couldn't break a leg could he?
ok ok I can hear everyone saying cut the apron strings. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Of course having a family gathering where all the men are actually home might be a challenge in itself.
Now my brother has run away from his M issues - bit angry at him for that - it will be harder than ever.

Maybe I should send him to the MB straightening out course!!! Oh they dont have ones where you can hit the blokes do they? What about electric cattle prods? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Maybe we should start one of our own, hey?

Moving on through the alphabet after a little shut-eye...

The one with the really big nose, B_eak; the nerd, G_eak; my twin sister with stress incontinence, L_eak; the shy, humble one, M_eak; the Peeping Tom, P_eak <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ; the one no one will sit next to at family get-togethers because he won't bathe, R_eak; the one who'd lose his head if it weren't attached to his shoulders, S_eak; the total blockhead, T_eak; the one with muscles like tny rubber bands, W_eak; and the good ol' suth'n boy, Z_eak. Oh, and did I mention the one with the stiff joints? Cr_eak.

Well, blast, that was a lot of worry for nothing, girls. The house lady won't be able to give me any word of any kind until Monday. Why she didn't tell me that yesterday when I told her I'd call back for an answer today at 4PM, I couldn't tell you, but now I can look forward to being sick to my stomach for another 6 days. And over Thanksgiving, too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I will live in a cold, dank, pitch-black cave, pillowing my head on the decaying carcase of a dead coyote, before I ever participate in the building of another house. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Buy it done. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

t&l

From the London Telegraph News

Blood debt women offered up for rape
By Isambard Wilkinson in Sultanwala
(Filed: 22/11/2005)

A village council in Pakistan has decreed that five young women should be abducted, raped or killed for refusing to honour childhood "marriages".

The women, who are cousins, were married in absentia by a mullah in their Punjabi village to illiterate sons of their family's enemies in 1996, when they were aged from six to 13.

The marriages were part of a compensation agreement ordered by the village council and reached at gunpoint after the father of one of the girls shot dead a family rival.

The rival families have now called in their "debt", demanding the marriages to the village men are fulfilled.

The case is becoming a cause célèbre in Pakistan, pitting tribal mores against a group of modern-minded, educated women. Amna Niazi, the eldest of the five at 22, is taking a degree in English literature, while both her sisters want to attend university.

Their fathers are supporting them and have refused to hand them over, leading to a resumption of the blood feud, with two relatives shot recently and 20 people arrested, while promises of further retribution and murder abound.

In addition to the sentence on the women, the village council has sentenced to death Jehan Khan Niazi, the father of three of the women, and the fathers of the other two for failing to honour the supposed bond with men whose identities they are not even certain of.

The women have said they will commit suicide if their fathers obey the council.

Speaking at their home in Sultanwala, a remote cotton and sugar-cane growing village, Amna said: "It is a great injustice that should be ended. Why should we pay for a crime committed by someone else? We will commit suicide if it happens. We would be treated like animals by them. Our misery would never end as this is just another way of using us as tools in the feud." None of the women has so far been able to marry as their childhood "marriages" hang over them.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan condemned the "barbaric custom of vani", - the tradition of handing over women to resolve disputes - and called on President Pervez Musharraf to enforce a ban.

Last year a three-year-old girl near Multan was betrothed to a 60-year-old man in a similar settlement. The case led to parliament passing a law banning vani and honour killings, but it has been widely ignored.

The case of Mukhtar Mai, a Pakistani woman whom a village council ordered to be gang-raped for an alleged offence committed by her brother, has also reached international attention.

The Daily Telegraph was granted access to the young women, despite Mr Niazi's fear that the village will further condemn him for being "un-Islamic" by allowing his daughters to be photographed, albeit with their faces covered by veils.

Amna, who hopes to become an English lecturer, said: "We are proud of our father. Despite having little money, he has educated us and shown us that we must stand up in society and demand our rights."

She is studying at a college affiliated to the university of Lahore, while her sister Abida, 18, is applying to study medicine, and Sajida, 15, is still at secondary school.

The other girls, Assia, 20, and Fatima, 16, are the daughters of Mr Niazi's brothers.

"Only a few of my friends know about this," said Abida. "But those that do support us and say we are fighting for the oppressed women of Pakistan."

Mr Niazi, who is a government accountant, was candid about the cause of the feud. "My brother murdered one of our neighbours after being shot at. But it is complicated, they had already insulted us by making indecent remarks to our girls," he said.

He added that his family had already paid blood-money to the aggrieved party. "I have refused to give into the council's request as it is un-Islamic. I cannot hand over my girls like goats to marry these illiterate boys," he said.


Personally, I plan to quit complaing for several hours, at the very least, after reading this!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

t&l

T&L - We are very blessed to be living in this country.

I second the motion. For all its problems, America's a pretty good place to be.

As long as we're making fun of me, let me add a couple more relatives: the one with the big nose, B_eak, (oh wait, that's me), the fraidy-cat, just plain Eak, and I had one more but I forgot who it was.

A real mouthy character, Ch_eak; owns an upscale shop, Bout_eak; computer repairman, Tech_neak; elderly maidenly aunt, Misst_eak; the exotic dancer, inappropriately named after Auntie, Myst_eak; weird Uncle, always coming at you from an odd angle, Obl_eak; you've seen him running naked on football fields, the family embarrassment (didn't see the pun till I wrote it, but it works <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />), Str_eak; and finally, the fabulous, enormously-popular French relative everyone loves to be with, Fantast_eak! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Interesting family that Neak has... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

t&l

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Who knew?

Oh, yes, the desert-dwelling chieftan (we don't see him often) Sh_eak.

t&l

The skin-care specialist, popular with the ladies of the family, Clin_eak. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Guess I shouldn't have said I was done! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

t&l