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aussieswife #1372579 12/16/05 09:46 AM
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I'm glad I at least got to incorporate B's suggestions before getting trigger happy. As long as I didn't get to say all the things I really wanted to say, I wanted it to be bland enough to bug her.

Before I blocked her, she sent back an email requesting the name & address of the attorney (which I had already sent her, and she will be getting his letter today anyway), and some means of contact with Mom, which I am also not going to bother to do. Mom can contact her when there is something to contact her about. She said AJ personally guaranteed the loan, and said he would get a second job if he had to in order to pay her back. I just don't think it will wash, her calling it a loan to the corporation over and over, then suddenly come up to the end, and oh by the way, it was personal, too. Whatever. Nice try.

Anyway, today is the day of the great play, and we will be busily getting everybody ready. The Dervish's solo is "To Us A Child of Hope Is Born", and he has recently developed this bad habit of belting out "Joy to the World" instead, then stopping in confusion. Djoy to da worl', da Lyord is tum.

And we will try to make Christmas cookies. I think today's school assignments will be pretty well commuted into sifting and measuring and messing. Though the kids are going so SLOW this morning. I would be perfectly happy to crawl back into bed myself.

Dervish just came up to me and said, "Mama, I 'till remember I not spose ta spank yer butt."

I was very proud of him. He was worried that he wouldn't remember that key piece of etiquette after getting in trouble for smacking me really hard one day. But guess what - I was right, and he DID remember not to spank me anymore. They grow up so fast, sniff.


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I've been up for 21 hrs. now, and my enthusiasm is beginning to flag! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> However, one poem for the day, at least and then I'm going to try and squeeze in a 2-hr. nap before I have to go and ride herd on the delinquents all evening. Um, I mean, assist in keeping the children focused on the play and the part each one of them has in it! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Yes, THAT'S what I was trying to say.

However, as far as this personal/corporate loan thing goes: while I understand that all creditors should be paid an equal percent, etc., etc., etc., I still think if AJ gets to escape the consequences of the financial havoc he wreaked, that he's getting off too easily for it to be good for him. I wish there was a way to combine justice for Gargy with beneficial growth and learning for a very nice man for whom impulse control is not his greatest strength. Don't know how. Just wish it could be done! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


Neak, age 16--1988

Tonight the Christmas spirit rang,
Then knocked upon the door...
So side by side we stood and sang,
Then played and sang some more
We sang about dear Jesus' birth--
How in a manger lay
The King of heaven and the earth,
The Lord of night and day.
The Maker of the universe,
And God of all the sky
Came to reverse sin's dreaded curse,
To suffer, bleed, and die.
To go through agonies of shame,
Enduring pain and loss...
While sinners mocked His holy name
And nailed Him to the cross.
He came unto His own, and yet
His own received Him not.
The sinner his Creator met,
But after sin he sought.
Still some, though few, accept this Man
Who came and gave His all;
For through the blood Christ shed, we can
Obey His searching call.
The Babe Who grew into our Lord
Is coming back again,
To take those who believe His word
Away from death and sin.
All this and more we saw tonight
Reflected in our song.
When will the wrong on earth be right?
How long, O Lord, how long?



Too long, if anybody's asking me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

t&l

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The Bate?????? Which version is that in?

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What was I thinking when I wrote that poem? Surely I was old enough to spell.

And no, the creditors do not get an equal percentage. The ones where we do have personal liablity get paid first upon the recommendation of the attorney, and past that it is our sole discretion. If I were a mean person, she would get nothing of that last slice of pie.

Really, both of them have received large helpings of mercy already. In Bible times, they would have been executed.


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OK, OK. I fixed it! Shouldn't you be busy getting ready for the program? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Or something? The type was small. I had to hunt for awhile before I could even find the typo. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> And it was MY version, that's what.

Couldn't sleep. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Or if I did it was only for a few minutes. The MD this morning said it was (NEWS FLASH) stress and overwork, not the BP medicine, that was giving me insomnia...and ordered me some more of the same Rx. So I got it refilled, took it on my way home from work, and couldn't sleep when I got here. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Wish I knew who was right.

And as far as the impulse control comment goes, I want to make it clear that this analysis of AJ comes from the perspective of one who for DECADES was so susceptible to whims that I wouldn't have recognized an impulse control if it had been dangling from my nose by its teeth! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> And if I could change, so can he.

t&l

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Really, both of them have received large helpings of mercy already. In Bible times, they would have been executed.

I don't have time to do it now because I have to leave in a few minutes and want to take at least a stitch or two on those blasted shirts for your menfolk. However, I have a post festering in my brain about why I feel such sympathy and sadness for Gargamel. In it I was going to contrast the two of you, and note how your strength has no meanness in it at all. Keep this up, and you'll save me a whole paragraph of writing!
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t&l

P.S. See you in church.

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T&L - Hope you will let THAT post fester awhile longer.

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I was going to do a post, but it's far more interrersting to read, than write.

LOL.

Ok, I'll work on AD's Grand Canyon trip, I promise.

SS


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I said I would post pics of the trip AD and I took to the Grand Canyon.


We started out with a bike ride on Saturday morning.
AD and SS daughter on our bike ride
Another AD on our bike ride


Saturday afternoon we visited Zion National Park.
AD, and SS in Zion Park
Zion Park Photo
AD in Zion Park
Zion Park

Then Monday we headed for the Grand Canyon.
We camped Monday Night at twin point and caught the early morning sun, but it was soon covered by clouds.
Twin Point Sunrise

AD sat near the edge for a while
AD on the edge
Grand Canyon off Twin Pont

There is a sawmill site near green springs canyon.
It burned down, and they never did go back and saw up the logs. Some of the logs, and some of the equipment still remains at the site. These are good shots of AD too -
Log Pile at sawmill site
Old Truck cab

Finally, we visited Tuweep -
Here's AD and I
AD& SS

Here's one that AD took of me.
SS at tuweep

And Here's the Colorado River
Colorado River

Of course this is just a few pictures, but it was fun.
Wish all of you could have been there too.

SS


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SS, which is AD and which is you? Or is guessing part of the fun?

FROM THE DERVISH SCHOOL OF ADVANCED MUSICAL STUDIES:

If you can't carry a tune, be loud.

Believer, there's a reason for my sympathy, complete apart from my distaste and disgust for what she has done. If I can't explain it well enough, by the time I'm done, that you can at least understand why I feel the way I do (agreement is not required, but wouldn't be surprising either), then I'll go back to speaking Swahili and not belabor the point. One of the main characteristics I have developed because of The Sad Saga of OtherSusan the Stupid is a very deep sense of pity for screwed-up people, whether they are the screw-ers or the screw-ees. I don't have to like her to feel sad over the mess she's made of her life. But enough for now. I've been up way too long and hope to be comatose momentarily.

Neaksis took pix of the program, but not digital so we'll have to wait until they're developed to post any.

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tl generosity of spirit for gargs even with all the pain she helped bring to the family is pretty big.
You know its one thing I noticed myself that I can now have compassion for the person but NEVER accept the behaviour. I dont think I was as generous before..you know that old let he who is without sin cast the first stone etc ...or maybe if you live in a glass house ...... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hopefully she too may learn from the past.

Anyway as long as neak & AJ & family are left alone then thats a good result.

Neak ......... Get the Dervish into the ship building business? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> HE will like it!!! lol

Hi SS ..say hi to AD too.

Love the photos, very very like the far North of WA here..love the country but its so so so HOT.

ok now this is from the latest stuff working with 'Aunty Rita" the old dragon with a heart of gold who wont let me wuzz out of facing all his mess. DAMN

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How do you describe getting the call that horrible day from a Army Officer, telling me that my husband had been hit by a enemy fire. And then how do I talk about his homecoming -- about meeting his very very hushed up medevac flight, ''scared to death,'' and first taking in the sight of his [Thank God] mildly scar-ridden face, his weak body and those tubes coming out of everywhere. I can remember smiling as hard as I could at him just in case he was awake before stepping out of his line of vision as the medics transferred him to a stretcher and letting myself weep. A deep broken grief of my actions and results of it. I felt damned and that he was paying for it..

So every day for hour after hour I sat in his room reading one of his favorite poems or short stories like “The Man from Snowy River”. I can remember reading poems and letters over & over. I’m sure all the nurses thought I was a mad women not accepting the inevitable. But I had done this, It was my fault. All my fault. I was going to drag him back to me no matter what.
I started making wild demanding begging deals with God, damning Him, cursing Him, begging Him. I had broken my sacred vows said before God and this was his judgment..
Meanwhile my H said he heard far in the background, he said he could hear the low rumble of waves rolling onto a shore. We were miles from the sea. Isn’t that strange.
The hours became days, the days became weeks and he mended, slowly at first. Blood loss and shock mainly were what the doctors were concerned about. The wounds themselves actually hadn’t hit anything too much at all – comparatively – if you disregard muscle and flesh.

The news from Aunt Rita is that his case of post-traumatic stress disorder most likely stems from the combination of these events and continuing warfare for the last 5 years. Researchers believe that the condition is not always connected to a specific incident and can, in fact, be spawned by repeated exposure to fear or by bearing witness to something violent or traumatic or by experiencing moral uncertainty connected to these things. And while many soldier's manage to hold it together during a deployment, the repression of emotion over time can lead to a ‘different’ homecoming. So imagine 5 years of it.
Post-traumatic stress disorder is considered controllable but not curable, and often it will flare up years after the original trauma.
The potential for violence is just one of a list of concerns both the military and veterans' groups have for returning soldiers. Combat veterans have been linked to higher incidences of drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, depression and worse.
It may be impossible, however, to fully counteract the shock of going from a 24-hour state of generalized fear-apprehension-paranoia, sustained for a number of years through wartime, to evenings at home on the couch, asked to fulfill the requirements of love and tenderness needed to sustain a family.

So where does that leave me or us? SOMEWHERE in between finding our way through a minefield of PTSD and my Affair. Don’t think I don’t get frightened. I do. For us and for him and for me. So I joke about being bounced off the wall when you wake your H without thinking to keep some balance, so I don’t cry.

At home, the awkwardness rarely seemed to lift. When his nightmares drove him to sleep on the couch, I lay awake in the bedroom. ''I kept wondering, Is he sleeping there because he rests better, or is it because he doesn't want to be beside me?''
Well of course he didn’t. Stupid ******, Stupid question.
And while six months after his return our relationship had stabilized somewhat, I was still adjusting to what the war has done to my husband. Even as I kept busy going to work by day and mothering our older teens in the evenings, I couldn't help feeling ''left out,'' since he seemed to prefer the company of other soldiers to my own. Of course I had lost his trust on top of everything else.
I know there's a lot of things he can't talk to me about, that he can talk to his friends about But I'm sitting there thinking, Why can't he talk to me?
Because I cheated on him you stupid cow.!! Trust issues again.

I have become better at living with the distance between us. At first, I had thoughts of holding his hand, of wanting to be close with him, but stuff like that's changed, too.
Its just a quiet resignation of the reality.
He had fleeting thoughts or rather confusion of the future back then, not sure if he could or would be able to continue in the Army let alone the SAS. He said repeatedly “But what kind of job could I do? I don’t know anything else,'' or “What the fu*k business is it of yours you Sl*t”
The truth is as he said so many times ''My body's here, but my mind is there,'' He wasn’t happy until he went back. Like a drug. I didn’t believe that before you know, that men can be addicted to the ‘rush’ of war. How sad.

I never pictured my life this way. Never imagined the Army would be calling me up one day to tell me he was hurt. Never dreaming the Army would ring me up and ask me to hand out advice as some kind of ‘expert’ wife. Me. Adulteress failure. Yet someone from the Army’s DCO caseworkers area wanted me to call another wife whose husband had come home injured. So now I sigh and dial the number. I don't know what I can say to make them feel better. I say much what I have read the US 'expert wives' say ''If he doesn't want to talk, don't take it to heart.''

At home my H sits looking to at the hills before us. If it seems as if he might be moving on, I have only to ask, What're you thinking about?
“You” or '' Mazar-I-Sharif,'' he'll say. And then the silence falls again.
Such is life.

Better now? yes a lot. I guess we wont know until we are 'tested' by some domestic issue.


Life may feel as if you are constantly getting kicked on a daily basis, living is about picking yourself up each day and going on and on and on regardless.

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My prayers are with you and Aussie as always. I "knew" him before I knew you. He always loved you.

The PTSD thing is what our warriors go through. It is the sane response to an insane situation. You know I work at the Navy Hospital that cares for the Marines who have come back from Afghanistan and Iraq. There are a lot of problems that they are all facing.

The politically correct thing is to welcome them home as heroes, and not worry about the cost of their sacrifice. But there is another side, full of broken men.

I'm amazed that they all want to go back. It doesn't compute for me. But I thank God for their honor and dedication to commitment to duty.

In truth, I am probably a pacifist. But I continue to support their efforts, while praying to God to end this war.

You are suffering like women have throughout the ages. Sometimes I think women should run the world.

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We would do SUCH a better job of it.

AW, I think a few years down the line you ought to think about writing a book, even if only a small one. (Bigger is better for me. The size of a book matters. But small is better than none.) Your writing is very moving, and I think your experience could be helpful on many levels to a great many people.


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SS, the pictures were beautiful; someone certainly knows what they're doing. Thanks for sharing them.

The program was hilarious! And just as cheesy as I had hoped. The only really annoying thing was one of the mics malfunctioned, and kept feeding back and emitting static while my dad tried frantically to adjust the controls.

My second-favorite moment was the Dervish's solo. Mom isn't kidding about the volume. Or about the lack of certain critical tonal elements, such as a recognizable melody.

But the funniest of all was when, right after he finished singing, Neaksis had to prompt him to lie down and pretend to sleep. He had obviously forgotten, and was just as obviously startled to remember. Faster than the blink of an eye, he leaped into the air and flung himself full-length on the floor. Well, I guess that is about how he falls asleep in real life.

Then at one point toward the end, all the children were up front singing, and the Dervish suddenly pranced to center stage, twirled once, and returned to his place.

Mr. Computer was adorable in his red robe and 'leopard skin', and pointedly pompous as he marched his way into place. I didn't see this, but apparently his robe began to gape very wide part-way through, revealing red shorts and a tank top.

The Princess was a very creditable Mary. She performed just about flawlessly, but with the demure and self-satisfied air of one who knows they are far superior to everyone else, and also one who is the star, while the previous year's Mary, the Diva, was only a lowly back-row angel. Even the best Princesses can be catty sometimes.


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The Princess was a very creditable Mary. She performed just about flawlessly, but with the demure and self-satisfied air of one who knows they are far superior to everyone else, and also one who is the star, while the previous year's Mary, the Diva, was only a lowly back-row angel.

Is THAT why she was being so regal and dignified? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> And here I thought she was just putting her whole heart into the play! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

AW, this isn't the first time you alluded to it, so I'm going to ask, although you can certainly ignore the question if you prefer. You seem to blame yourself when Aussie was wounded because you "drove" him to it, basically. Did he volunteer to go back to war after the affair because of the affair, or are you being unnecessarily hard on yourself the way we girlfolks do, and blaming yourself for things that you really had nothing to do with? (It was the ARMY's fault! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />)

I woke up just about 4AM and had to get up and take medicine to clear my nose and my head. Now my head and nose are clear, I'm chilled to the bone, and I'm going back to bed. SS, I found a picture of you by yourself that I missed the first time around. Scratch the question about who's who. Honestly, I can't tell which is going to get me first, the blindness or the senility. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

t&l

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Neak, writing a book? I’m not sure about that ..well not now anyway. I’ll stick to a journal for now <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Glad the dervish had a good time..I think those times are very very special and I treasure the memory of my own kids in those plays and presentations. Of course I'm blessed in being able to go through it all again. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

As for running the world B ..I’m sure we couldn’t do worse at the very least. And probably a lot better in many ways.
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that is hard to answer. The short answer is yes. I FEEL I drove him back to the war after the affair. To me it’s a entirely different matter from learning to forgive myself as he has forgiven me. Do I feel responsible for his injuries since then? That’s complicated but to a degree yes.
I know I am partially responsible for some very risky behaviour he took during a S Op in Iraq after, I found out quite accidentally hearing some of his unit talking about his actions.
But I also accept he makes his own decisions and will go ahead with what he's decided come h3ll or high water.
But overall I do feel very rsponsible. I suppose that is a big reason why I seem to have trouble coping when I hear any of our soldiers are hurt.
But I’m going to have to live with it..


Life may feel as if you are constantly getting kicked on a daily basis, living is about picking yourself up each day and going on and on and on regardless.

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To make her answer much shorter, she blames herself for EVERYTHING - the loss of her son, her straying while grieving, and everything that happens to Aussie and her family. Also probably the things in her old job, the problems in the world, and ..............................

We really have to work with her on this.

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Well, I can certainly understand the self-blame. I guess what I was wondering was if he was home from the military(supposedly for good), and then re-upped afterwards so that now she can't escape the nagging suspicion that if she hadn't strayed he never would've "run away from home," and if he hadn't run away, he wouldn't have been injured, etc., etc., etc. All I can say, AW, from extremely bitter experience, is that there's nothing to be gained by beating yourself up over what's done and can't be changed. And that knowing this in your head is a lot easier than actually putting it into practice.

I was going to post a poem, but somebody is in Neak's room about to lose her 4th baby, and I don't think I want to sit here this close and listen to any of it.

Maybe later...

t&l

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Oh nooooooo. How sad.

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T&L,
I don't think I could do what you do. I don't think I could take it.

Believer, I am so glad you are doing better. You really do sound good.

AW,
I see you still struggle, but you do well too - your energy is directed to good things, to helping, to doing better. Not to complaining, or finding fault. It warms my heart to see you going the right direction. I'm just sorry for the sorrow you feel, and the doubt sometimes. I think you will make it.

T&L,
I'm glad you figured out which was AD, and which was me. I didn't want to have to come back and say that you can tell AD because he is better looking, and not so overweight as I am. Glad you solved that for me.

SS


I think sometimes about all the pain in the world. I hope we can ease that here, even if only a little bit.
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