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Orchid:
Give me some babble examples, lemme give you some things he says, and you give the reply.
WH: You Need To Move Out, This is MY house.
WH: I love you, but I'm not in love with you.
WH: This divorce IS going to happen.
WH: This is all your fault, I never got over you leaving me 8 years ago (for a month).
WH: This isn't about the OW, I just don't want to be married to you anymore.
WH: I don't want to be your family anymore.
WH: Caren, I'm just not happy.
WH: The landlord is going to have the police remove you from his property.
Any help here Orchid??? I suck at reverse babble.
-Caren
Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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Caren,
I've been following your threads and just want to tell you to keep the chin up. You seem clear-headed and calm today and that is great. Please DO check out the Ohio laws as suggested before you meet with the attorney on Tuesday. And by all means use Orchid's last babble. There is no reason he can't call his daughter and he should make the effort to do so. When he calls, just say "hello, WS, here's DD." Then hand the phone to DD. Simple.
And then DD knows her daddy cares enough about talking to her that HE made the call to HER, not the other way around.
~ Snow
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Here are my attempts at reverse babble Caren (I know you asked Orchid and Orchid IS da' master but I thought I'd take a stab):
They may be too sarcastic, I dont' know. Would love to hear what others think.
WH: You Need To Move Out, This is MY house. [color:"red"]Yes it's ours and you can. [/color] WH: I love you, but I'm not in love with you. [color:"red"]I don't like you right now either but I still love you. [/color] WH: This divorce IS going to happen. [color:"red"]Too tough for me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> [/color] WH: This is all your fault, I never got over you leaving me 8 years ago (for a month). [color:"red"]Too tough for me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> [/color] WH: This isn't about the OW, I just don't want to be married to you anymore. [color:"red"]Too tough for me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> [/color] WH: I don't want to be your family anymore. [color:"red"]You know what they say, you can't pick your family [/color] WH: Caren, I'm just not happy. [color:"red"]Too tough for me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> [/color] WH: The landlord is going to have the police remove you from his property. [color:"red"]If it's your house why would he care? [/color]
BS: 37 (me) WH: 35 D-Day: 6/10/05 Plan A'd from a distance - WH moved out Plan B started: 10/04/05 Plan B fell apart: 10/14/05 Back on the Plan B pony 10/23/05 Baby stepping in recovery since 11/06/05
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WH: I love you, but I'm not in love with you. BS: I understand honey, I'm not in love with you either...when you see my H, tell him I love him.
WH: This divorce IS going to happen. BS: Ok dear, whatever you say. I'm getting into the shower now.
WH: This is all your fault, I never got over you leaving me 8 years ago (for a month). BS: Of course dear. I need to go to work now.
WH: This isn't about the OW, I just don't want to be married to you anymore. BS: I know honey, I dont want to be married to you either (the WS)
WH: I don't want to be your family anymore. BS: But honey, you ARE my family...we have a DD together...regardless of whether we stay married or not, we will always be "family".
WH: Caren, I'm just not happy. BS: WH, I'm not happy either.
WH: The landlord is going to have the police remove you from his property. BS: Ok, whenever they are ready to come. that's fine.
You cannot let him scare you Caren, but I honestly dont feel like this is a winning battle anymore. You two have so many issues that need to be addressed and neither is willing to do them. I know Texas is a community property state, but I think I read this morning that OHIO is NOT, which means that technically that house IS HIS...if it is a community property state, then the house would be BOTH OF YOURS!
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Caren,
I am so sorry... I have followed your story for months. It sounds like it is time to throw in the towel. All of us here know you have done everything you can.
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(((( Caren )))) I feel so badly for you. You have given it up to God - it will work out best for you, hon.
And ---- You are 37 ??????? My gosh, you look muuuuch younger than that !!!!
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Caren, I have read your story. It sounds so similar to mine in terms of what your WH has been telling you and how he has been treating you. It is also similar how you have been handling the situation and how you have been feeling towards him.
I am new (junior member), and cannot offer any wise advise as other experienced members, but just wanted to let you know that you are not the only one who has been fighting for the uphill battle. Oh, another thing in common. I am 36 going on 37 too. My story is posted under "My H wants a divorce and it is a hopeless situation - any way to stop him?". You will probably find many similarities there. My H is a SA - does your WH have any addictions?
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No addictions that I know of.
Except for the addiction to me that he keeps denying.
-Caren
Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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And that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to be Caren, and do what Caren wants to do.
I'm going to see a lawyer, find out my rights, possibly get some temporary orders such as custody and use of the marital residence.
I feel unusually good, very confident, I'm not remotely scared about him filing now. Good for you! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sounds like all the right moves and mindset to me. I hope it all works according to plan. You also may want to look into legal aid and financial options (ie child support) but your lawyer should be able to help you with that info. Hang in there, Miker
I was the BS - 36 She was the WS - 36, PA with MM DS8, DD13, DD15 - All living with Dad DDay 05/04, Divorced 08/05
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Caren: Give me some babble examples, lemme give you some things he says, and you give the reply. Caren, the others gave you some good examples. Here's mine:
WH: You Need To Move Out, This is MY house.
Reverse Babble response: Yes you need to move out, this is our family's home.
WH: I love you, but I'm not in love with you.
Reverse Babble response: Well I love my H but not too sure about you.
WH: This divorce IS going to happen.
Reverse Babble response: That's totally up to you. Just remember what you stated tonight.
WH: This is all your fault, I never got over you leaving me 8 years ago (for a month).
Reverse Babble response: If that's the case, you probably s/b imprisoned for what you have done to the family.
WH: This isn't about the OW, I just don't want to be married to you anymore.
Reverse Babble response: Well you should have done the D before you got the OW (say it just like that no names just initials).
WH: I don't want to be your family anymore.
Reverse Babble response: Not sure we want you t/b in our family anymore either.
WH: Caren, I'm just not happy.
Reverse Babble response: Well with all this misery you are giving us, somebody had better be happy. Who is it, the OW?
WH: The landlord is going to have the police remove you from his property.
Reverse Babble response: Let me call him to find out when, better yet, you call him to find out when. (Then you call the landlord. Note: Most police don't take too kindly to a man kicking his W and child to the curb).
Caren: Any help here Orchid??? I suck at reverse babble.
Orchid: This RB stuff takes practice. I used to practice in the bathroom and talk to the mirror. The practice paid off. You should have seen how my RB distorted his face. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Okay, in a moment of well it was either pissed offedness or weakness, I told him I'd give him a dissolution. (EEEKKKK)
So, I don't know what happened, he supposed to have stopped the D filing, but only in prep for the dissolution, which I'm afraid I'm going to have to back out on.
I was crying about it, and he said "What's wrong" I said "It's sad, don't you think?" He said "Yes, I do think it's sad, but we don't know what will happen down the road, maybe you're right, maybe I'll realize it's all a big mistake.
Right now we haven't talked about it, because his son is here for a few days, I'm just scared to death of what is going to transpire once he leaves. I can't agree to the dissolution, he's gonna be p.o.ed, I think.
I dunno though. Unbeknownst to me my father paid him a visit and told him that *H* had been a loose cannon for a while now, and it was time for him to straighten up. That he needed to do the right thing, and then her said "I'm 70 years old, I've lived a full life, and I will do WHATEVER it takes to make sure this works out" He also told him "You're [censored] is grass, and I'm the lawnmower". I don't know if that changed his thinking at all or what, but it did have an affect, because he kept saying "I can't believe your dad threatened me".
-Caren
Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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Caren"
If I was your 70 year old dad, and I knew my daughter suffered the things that you suffered at the hands of this man, I would have also threatened your waywayd husband. You know what also , I am also sure that I would have also carried out the threat right then and there and kicked your wayward cheating husbands a$$ up and down the sidewalk till he realized he better NEVER think of touching my daughter again in violence or drag her through the proverbial hell you are in.
Am I saying this is right, or in the "marriage building Steve Harley way of life"...NO, but I am pretty sure this is how your dad feels. It is not likely to have any effect on anything though, so no worries.
In all honesty and to be totally blunt with you I think you are getting EXACTLY what you settled for when you decided to try and get back with your husband under any circumstances. This is the time old saying of "you get what you pay for" coming true.
I am truly sorry for your current predicament. I can only hope that you can find a way out of this mess with your self esteem somewhere still noticeable.
Sour......
Some people just don't get it, they don't get it that they don't get it.
I had the right to remain silent.......but I didn't have the ability.
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My Dad actually has no idea that he laid a hand on me, he must have over heard that he wanted me *out*, and he's tired of him hurting his family emotionally.
I'm not so sure my Dad won't kick the crap out of him.
-Caren
Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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