FF yep.

UTTER transparency or nothing.

{{{FF}}}

Well, that gives him some time to think up the newest embellishments to his story.

3000 minutes per month is still an affair. Sorry to say that, but that is what it is.

There are 3 people in your marriage now, and one of them has to go.

I am so sorry. I know exactly how you feel.
{{{Hugs}}}}}

Sincerely,
KD'sHeartbreak

I think it is going to be me, B. I really do have to draw the line somewhere and this is not about OC it is about her. 3,000 calls per month is at the very least an EA more than likely a PA.

Thanks, KD. Haven't read up on your sitch sorry.

FF... I'm sorry I didn't read this when I got home. Campfire was open.

Are we gonna have a PJ party?

GC

Well, it is midnight here so must be around 2 am for you.

Yep, around 2 AM, but I'm a nightowl, so...

FF, did he post here once?

GC

Night, FF. You're a marvel. I hope you get some rest.

GC

Oh boy.... I can relate to that kind of babble. WS said the same thing but I stood my ground and told him as long as he leaves his things within my reach, they are mine to remove or do as I please.

Here's what I remember:

1st time: Packed everything nice and neatly. PUt it in the garage

2nd time: Packed everything nicely but not so neatly. Put it in the garage.

3rd time: Large plastic garbage bags. Still separated nicely but not folded anymore. lOL!!! Put it in the garage.

4th time: Still used the black industrial strength garbage bags, this time on the front porch. Plus a few boxes. My garage was too good for him now. LOL!!

5th time: Flung those bags out onto the lawn.

6th time: Forget the bags, I put a few things in grocery bags....wasn't spending more of my $$ on those industrial strength garbage bags. LOL!! Put them in those recyclable bags and threw this clothes on the porch and front yard.

That's when he called the police.

The 1st, 2nd and 3rd times he yelled at me for touching his things. By the 4th time, I not only touched his things, I told him he'd better remove them before I do more touch them. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Well that's my story. I think I stopped at 6 times. Could have been 7. Can't remember exactly. I know it was plenty. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

L.

Probably shouldn't have but just sent OW a TM telling her about OW#3.

LOL, Orchid

"He11 hath no fury like a woman scorned"

FF, glad I'm not on the sharp end of that wrath !

{{{FF}}}

Well thanks to them I can't sleep so why should she get sleep?

4 real??!?!?! YIKES!

Well those OWs 'like 2 know' anyways. They just can't handle reality or any BS input. LOL!!!

I love messing with the OPs mind....at least what's left of it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

L.

Orchid I laughed so hard reading your post. It really isn't funny but... oh what the heck it really is. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You're my hero Orchid, my tenacious, persistent hero! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Faith,

This calls for drastic measures. I am so very sorry. I keep saying I can't believe it, but of course it is believable and typical. Blast those stupid fogged out people anyway.

Time for Plan B is it?

<Yawn> What did I miss? What's going on here?

Hugs faithfulfollower.

FF...I am so sorry this is happening again...This reminds me of myself...eventually you will get tired of it and you will know when to say enough is enough...at what price to YOU are you going to take in order to save a marriage that he is not willing or able to save?

You will eventually be numb and be able to take the steps to heal yourself! That is what you need to do right now...completely remove him from your life an dwork on you!

My 'secret weapon' .... a very VERY V E R Y soft voice and quiet calm demeanor .... no yelling .... the more you think he's lying or fudging the truth .... the quieter softer voice.

This establishes your self-control for everyone to see.

It usually signals when I have gone from 'reactive mode' to 'look-out I am thinking something up' mode.

Just a tid-bit.

Sadly, I agree that it isn't about the OC, they are still knee deep in an A. FF, the OW is the idiot. She is putting up with a man who does not want to commit to her, despite all of the reasons he could. You are NOT an idiot for working on your marriage and believing him. HE is an idiot for continuing to live a secret life that is eating away his SOUL. I must say that after all of this, you would be unwise to continue in the M. You need to protect yourself and your family. You have done what you could and you won't respect yourself and he won't respect you if you don't get out. Leave him alone with his idiot and he will reap the consequences of what he has sown. You have done NOTHING to deserve this. You can do it and we will support you. It is like you have been dying a slow death of cancer, full of suffering. The death will relieve the suffering and turn to your faith to believe that there is a light on the other side. I am praying for you.

Do you play poker? Do you know what a 'tell' is?

A 'tell' in poker is something a player does that signals to the other players he's got some really excellent cards .... or he's bluffing and has nothing going on.

Time for good poker face. Keep yourself calm, relaxed, and UNemotional. You can do this.

When H asks "What are you going to do?"

You say "I am still thinking about things."

"Well, what are you thinking about?"

"I am just thinking. I'll let you know when I am done thinking."

Have no 'tell' going on.

This is NOT the 'silent treatment' at all .... this is the very BEST time for you to encourage HIM to talk .... and YOU watch HIM for his 'tell'.

You can say stuff like "Is there anything at all to share with me, your wife?"

Listen. Encourage more talking and 'telling' on his part.