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Mywife, keep up what you are doing and staying off the R-talk is a perfect strategy. Let her slowly come to you.

I really wish you the best my friend and can tell you are doing well.

It's good that you are in a position to keep your emotions at check now. Back in December things were a little rough for you and I glad your short Plan B has given you a renewed strength to go back into Plan A.


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Thanks, Hope...and your energy will be renewed also. No doubt!!! Now, get there!!!!


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Update:

Well today is my 38th B-day!! WW dropped off gifts "from the kids" last night. About $100 worth!!!! What is up with that? Then I call her this morning to let DD6 tell her that she lost her first tooth!! I got on the phone with WW, and she wish me a happy b-day. Then I asked her if she wanted to stop by real quick before she goes to work to see DD6's new smile!!!(w/o a tooth) She paused and said, "I can't". (Meaning she had picked up OM from the city on her way home last night from work)

She emailed me later and told me she was "sad" that she couldn't come this morning.

Oh well, DD6 was SHOCKED and happy....and the first words that came out of her mouth were: "Daddy, isn't cool that I lost my first tooth on your B-day?" That was the coolest thing she could have said to me! It started my day out awesome!!

Tonight, I'm going out with a girl I've been hanging out with. We are going bowling with her girlfriend and her husband, and then maybe out for a few drinks. Should be a nice evening...I like her, but am in no way ready for any emotional attachment with anyone...and she isn't either. We have gone out a few times but she just is a good friend and ......yeah .....yeah, I know what you all are going to say....this is how it starts.....well....maybe I'm ready to move on....but, I really think it's just nice to be out with people who "enjoy" me.

WW, just emailed me, again, and said:

"Are you going to be out late tonight?? I was going to invite you over for coffee tomorrow morning if you were home and available so see the tooth fairy excitement. I don't see why we have to miss stuff like that if we are available. I am having a very sad today because I was not there this morning. Just wanted to extend the invite if you could make it. As far as Sunday goes, my sister is NOT having her dinner. Its Monday night. So I can come over for a while if the offer is still open." (I had invited WW over for dinner during our exchange.)

I may be "enabling" the affair...but, my actions may put a bit of insecurity into the OM, and WW and I have been most pleasant during our last 5 encounters. She only sees me in the "most upbeat" of moods. I never talk about any relationships....and it seems that WW is taken aback by me being able to move forward!!

Oh well....whatever is going on in her head...I don't care...I ONLY CONTROL MYSELF!!


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Happy B-Day

Funny, I'm 38 too with a 6 year old just about to lose her first tooth. What's the going rate for tooth fairy's in your house? I think one or two $1 coins are perfect whereas Mrs. W thinks inflation has taken the rate to say $5 (perhaps I should start a thread...lol).

Yes, going out with that other woman is a BAD IDEA unless her husband is present (so tonight is OK). Infidelity really does sneek up on people and sharing your problems with any woman (let alone a married one) is a mistake. You are in a heightened emotional state...which is likely to appear attractive to a married woman and likely to effect YOUR better judgment. I know you know...but BE WARY.

I was thinking that you might at some time be able to ask WW out on a date. Make it a casual, pressure free request. Kind of like, "we can hang out...what ya think". Out partying like rock stars would be the best, a movie may be nice since no talking is required or maybe just cook her dinner at your house (without the kids around).

It may behoove you that she soon gleans that you are still interested in reconciling without saying it...otherwise, it may just appear she's getting the fantasy of OM AND a great friendship with her former husband. At some point, she needs to be aware that you intend to be more than just a "friend" and you do not intend to be this close with her should you actually divorce. Again, at some point if you are not honest about your intentions you are setting yourself up for disappointment and resentment.

I copied this post quoted below quite a while back to wherein someone else was planning a romantic dinner with their WW in hopes of re-attaching. As suggested maybe just inviting her over for dinner and casually suggesting having someone babysit the kids (to give you two both a break) would be nice.

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Thought I would chime in here with some advice. There is a delicate balance between the two above questions/statements. On the one hand you want to be super romantic and surprise her with an over the top meal whereas you fear it may be contrived appearing and illicit the wrong result.
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You are right to consider both and pose this question. In my opinion you are likely to be disappointed with your elegant romantic dinner with gifts, wine and flowers. A WW in withdrawal may not show up in a good mood (if she shows up at all...WW have lousy time management skills) and the extra effort is likely to illicit a guilty response. She will either feel undeserving of the effort, feel the effort is an attempt to make her feel guilty and/or feel the effort comes with "romantic" sexual strings attached which she may or may not be in the mood for.
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However, you want to Plan A her and show her you are a new man/husband. You can not do this with one meal. You need to be consistent. You also want to be true to who you are. Your wife wants you to act and behave the way you did when she first fell in love with you a long time ago. Thus, if you went over the top at the beginning of your relationship then so be it. But if this dinner you’re planning is so unique to you and her from you it WILL feel contrived. Don’t try to be something you’re not.
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What to do? I would suggest you go overboard with some small details. I will list some ideas below. Be advised, unnoticeable details allow you to gauge the situation and disclose accordingly. You don’t want her to nor should she be able to notice all the details immediately and be overwhelmed. If she is not receptive to a romantic meal you get to keep it light and nice. Trust me, you will still get mileage out of the effort but only later in recovery as you can disclose what you did then. If she is not receptive you must maintain your composure and not appear disappointed. Plan A does not include making her feel guilty for missing, discounting or minimizing your efforts at change.
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My suggestions:
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If you normally just purchase grocery store Salmon, this time go to the best fish market in town and get fresh Salmon and some Peel and Eat Shrimp for an appetizer. (I recommend cold appetizers because like I said WW's have terrible time management skills and she may be late or just not hungry...you can keep the shrimp or a salad in the refrigerator for the next day and it will be just as good.)
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If you normally purchase Express Store flowers this time find a higher end floral shop. Some even have signature flowers unique to your area. Place them on the table; but, do not comment on their uniqueness unless the conversation goes that way. If appropriate comment how their uniqueness relates to your current situation. If she is not receptive to the whole romantic overtures do not indicate they are anything more than grocery store flowers. After a few days take the flowers and hang them upside down to dry them or have one preserved by the floral shop. You can present them or it later in recovery and describe their uniqueness and significance (i.e.-the beginning of your recovery) and get mileage from the extra $$$’s at that time.
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Purchase a tray and new candles. Maybe even floating candles…Keep the candles out of sight so she will not see them immediately and become overwhelmed with your "contrived" effort or just otherwise hesitant to participate in a romantic meal. When and IF appropriate ask her if she would like you to light a candle or two. Then you can pull out the new items you purchased and impress her. If she is not receptive, again, save it for another day.
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If you serve chips and salsa, go to her favorite Mexican Restaurant and purchase their salsa. Again, no comment unless appropriate.
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A gift. Say a fine expensive small bottle of perfume. You do not want some big item. The gift should not be addressed until after dinner and only if the evening has not been a disaster. You can indicate you got her a gift and ask her if now would be a nice time to present it. Tell her you do not want to overwhelm her and that it can wait if she feels you have already done too much. Her curiosity should get the best of her and SHE WILL ASK FOR IT. If the timing is not right save the gift for another day but you will get to tell her someday that you had it that night so do not get discouraged.
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Same thing with the wine. Get a nicer than usual bottle and go to a wine shop and learn some details about the vintage and the winery. Disclose if appropriate. Also, save and date the cork. Keep it as a memento of your initial forray into recovery. Let her see or find you are saving "relationship" items later.
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I hope these ideas help. Your wife's behavior and responses are way off kilter now so you need to be prepared to just let it go if things do not go as planned. If you do too much and build up your expectations to high you are likely to get discouraged and throw out some love busters. Be prepared for the best night and flexible enough to go with the flow.



Good luck and once again, Happy B-day

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Today is my sister's birthday too.

Have a great time tonight...you know the drill...just be careful.


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Good morning everyone!

Update:

Just did a little totaling...and including phone conversations and time spent "visiting" WW and I over the last 8 days have had about 15 hours of undivided attention interacting!!!!

And she is opening up to me...not about "us" mind you, but about her and OM. Yes...she still thinks he's a "good guy" but she has told me that he now keeps "harping" on her about "their" future. And he is really getting upset that WW and I are spending so much time together with our children!! He says, "It's not normal!!!" She told me that he is going to have to "deal with it", because having a "good relationship" with me for the sake of the kids, is most important to her!!! She told me that they haven't spoken in 4 days!

Here's the kicker....during all the "interactions" that are supposed to be "for/with the kids"...it's mostly one on one conversations between each other...usually light, funny, or talking of the "good things" in the past, and some R talk...but ALWAYS brought up by her. She sees me getting on, and even commented on how she "knew" I would have no problem with woman!!!!! (She suspects I have been with others.... I have gone on a few light "dates")

When she came over yesterday, she had "done herself up" a bit more than she usually would have. Nothing "eye rocking" but jeans instead of sweats, and I noted some perfume on her, during our 3 or 4 hugs!!!! She was wearing a necklace that I had given her years ago, instead of a new one that she's been wearing for a couple months now. (Assuming it was from OM)

We laughed alot, and told her that "I want nothing but the best for you", (Of course, in my head I'm thinking 'I'm the BEST!!')

And wouldn't you know it....while she was there for the 5 hours yesterday, I got a phone call from one of the ladies I had gone bowling with, she was just saying Hi! WW seemed a bit dispondent as I walked into the other room with the phone. I only stayed on the phone for 1 or 2 minutes, and came back to WW in a "happy" mood. She seems very interested as to what is going on in my personal life, but I only offer a few "tempting but truthful" crumbs of info. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So that's the deal...no breakthroughs, but WW and I are so much more calm...and I am so focused on LISTENING TO HER!! It's so natural now, no opinions unless asked, no solving of her problems....just LISTENING... a very high priority EN of hers. She left giving me a hug, a peck on the cheek, and a nice smile, thanking me for dinner!!

OM is starting to show his true character...whether WW will always believe that our M was "so broken" or not even if R with OM breaks up, who knows.

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Mywife, you are doing great my man!

I so glad to hear you have taken control back of you life and that is surely evident with your WW. I really hoping the best for your situation.

Don't you love turning the tables on your WW? That must give you some gratification that she is worried about your phone conversations with OW. How long did you have to put up with that crap.

Great job and keep us posted.


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Thanks, Hope.

I wouldn't call the tables turned just yet. But demonstrating to WW that I "have a life" without her, is definitely throwing her for a loop.

She just called me....10 minutes into both our starting of work...and said: "Hey I have some good news!!" (BTW she works in the insurance field) I was able to get OUR homeowners insurance lowered by $120." WHAT!!! OUR homeowners insurance???? Uhhmmmmmm.....does she forget that she signed the house over to me?????? Slip of the tongue???? I'm not sure...but she reference it as OUR home 2 other times!!!

During our interactions over the last 2 weeks or so, she has been referencing past "good times" that we had!! Even ones back before our M!!! These were so buried just a few short months ago!!

She even said, "I'm not sure B came before A, or A came before B"....referring to feelings about our marriage vs. the onset of the affair.

She asked me yesterday: "So do you think you have come to the conclusion that we had severe damage to our M? It seems you would have had to, in order to be able to move on so easily with your life. I mean, I'm happy you're not mopeing around...it just seems as though you have addressed our problems and the severity of them."

She is drawing closer to me...from just 3 months ago. I'm going forward with my life...and it seems to be a bit "attractive" to the WW.


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WW is now emailing jokes! Something is going on!!


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She wouldn't be emailing you jokes if she wasn't thinking of you. You are doing GREAT with a capital G.

Our stories were very similar and you know I look to you situation for hope. Keep doing whatever you are doing my friend. All the best!

BTW, do you know if you WW misses your kids when she they are with you for the week. Obviously, she misses the kids, but does she REALLY miss them where she is starting to regret the seperation? Just curious.


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Update:

WW and OM are having SERIOUS issues! Not sure of the details, but WW is not spending any time at his apartment, nor is he ever at her place...this is drastically different than 2 weeks ago!

WW and I have been talking about their relationship, and she has said that she told him that she has no idea what the future holds for them...that she can't say what will hold a year from now." This mad OM mad. As has the time WW and I have been spending together.."for the kids". Yet most of the time, it's just hanging with them...and us having undivided attention...no groveling, no doormat...but just being curteous to one another.

Last night, I had kids, I was feeling sick, and so has WW. I asked her if she wanted to come over for a bit...she declined at first...but called back an hour later and asked if the offer was still available. I said yes, but said only for an hour or so, because I really wanted to get a good night sleep.

She came over...and we had a really nice time...talking of each others ailments. She lately has been bringing up a lot of "funny" times from our past...last night 2 times!! She asked me about any R's in my life, and I told her, just some new friends. I asked nothing about her and OM. Then later...she out of the blue said, "You know <BS>, dating at our age is so difficult, so many people have so many issues. (NO WAY!!! YA' THINK!!!) I responded by saying, "We all have issues in life...it's how we acknowledge them and work to change them. Those are the things that make people attractive." She agreed.

After about 2 hours and the kids in bed, I kindly told WW that I was getting tired, and needed to get some sleep. I got off the couch.. and she follow me into the kitchen to leave. She said "Thanks for having me over. It was nice to spend some bonus time with YOU guys." She initiated a hug and peck on the lips.

10 minutes after she left, she calls me, to tell me that the poor girl on "Deal or No Deal" was so unlucky!! And that she felt bad for her! I told WW that I did too. And then said thanks again for coming over and hope you feel better. She responded in kind.

So different between us the last 3 months....so calm...so curtious. No pain to see her. But still have a deep love for her....but knowing I'll be ok with or without her!!

Loving life again, with my children, family, and myself!! I'll keep updating every so often!

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...There she goes again...has emailed me 3 times already this morning, with jokes and "nice" conversation.

Does anyone see, all of what has happened in the last few weeks, as positives?? Or is she just feeling good about "getting along with me."??????


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Bump for a reply or two!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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OK my friend, What do you want from her and at what point does this not work for you?? Or better put, you want and possible expect more from her. When was the last time you brought this up?

What is the plan??


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The plan is right now, to let HER bring up any reconciliation. It does not pain me to see her or interact with her. I plan on sometime in the future to ask her to do something special together....but not for awhile. I want to see a bit more movement toward me. But, nonetheless, we are pleasant together, and I enjoy that...It helps knowing that there are many woman beating down my door to go out with them!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />And WW, has heard about that from others. I don't give her any real info on that situation. My self esteem is back up.

If her A isn't over....it's certainly in critical condition. And WW is slowly confiding in me about the "bad" things about him.


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It seems to me like you're waiting...for her affir to die...that is not ending the affair to save your marriage.....

While it is good that you're getting along, that you're not feeling much pain being near her I am concerned over the message she may get from all of this.....

that you'll always be there for her....

My biggest fear was that my W (XW at time) wanted me back because I was pretty happily engaged with someone else. That I made it clear I would not cheat on my GF with her. I thought she wanted to "ruin my happiness"...

be careful my friend.....


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2 sons 14 & 12
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I'm not WAITING for her, per se....my interactions with WW are having a direct impact on the demise of the A. My love for my W is still there....but it is slowly fading...even with the interactions...I'm ok with that. Am I actively trying to save the marriage?? I'm not sure....maybe slowly transitioning to acceptance, if it doesn't work out.

Bottom line....I imparted may MB principals early on...exposure, Plan A, etc. but failed to break up the A. I dealt with what Hope is STILL going through for 3 months...and it may be that period of time that ate up a lot of love for my W/WW. And now....just being who I've always been...but with many improvements..that I constantly focus on...not only to WW...but to others. Listening, No condescending remarks, no acting like a "know it all", let people pursue you....and if they don't..so be it. No doormat, set boundaries...and live within them.

Dr. Harley mentions somewhere where BS and OP are in competition for WS. I was advised to continue Plan A from afar, and do activites that I enjoy. I'm doing that. Plan B may come at some point, or I may find myself not caring either way. She has drawn closer to me, but ironically, I'm not really that excited about it!!


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Ok....WW has sent me 20 emails today....way more than ever!! Just casual stuff, ...but a touch "flirty"!! Ends with "You have a nice night! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />"

I only responded to around half of them...just to try and stop the string....but 20 minutes of me not responding....she'd send another one!! I dare say, I think my WW is pursueing me a bit! But again, no big deal to me!! Have I lost too much of my love for her???


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To me she is cake eating...you are meeting some of her EN's....JMHO though....I do understand what you're saying though....stay safe..


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Oh, I'm staying safe!! I'm not hurting anymore! Really weird. WW just emailed me one last time: "I forgot to tell you this last night, but you are looking pretty good, for a father of 2! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Have a good night!!"

She may be cake eating, but I really think the gig may be near an end with OM. He is really...the worst I've heard of on this board!!


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