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Gnome, you should really read the book "No More Christian Nice Guy". If you are not a Christian, simply filter out the biblical and religious stuff. Over and over I get the impresson that you need to put yourself first.

I don't care what women say they want. They don't want nice guys who constantly go out of their way to please them. Who constantly subvert their needs to meet the woman's needs. They want men who can meet their own needs. And in doing so, help the woman meet her needs. It's a symbiotic relationship, not a sacrificial one.

They want men who have a sense of self, a sense of who they are, who are whole and complete in themselves. And they will put up many small inconveniences and bothers in order to have such a man. She has to realize that if she pushes to hard against you, she will hit your edge, and will cut herself.
Justin...I've read all the reviews on amazon.com and I see absolutely nothing to induce me to spend any money on that book.

I am not a wimp. It's true that I have a history of passivity in much of my marriage, but I also have the wit to see how well that worked. I have no intention of going there again.

I have a strong sense of self and of who I am, and I am not needy. My inner strength and my masculinity are not in question amongst those who know me, and that includes my lady friend.

I see no virtue in exposing an edge such that those pushing against me will hurt themselves. I choose when to yield, when to stand, and when to bring out the blade. It is a fool who offers at every provocation, and the real show of strength and wisdom comes from the choice of one's battles and how one acquits himself therein.

There are many figures in history and literature who were looked down upon or taken for granted because they had humility and wisdom. They saw no need to put their strength on display, because they were strong enough in themselves not to need the accolades of others. But when trouble came, they are the ones who stood up and dealt with it.

There are many single women out there of incredible strength and character who never get a first glance from men, because they do not have much superficial beauty. Only a man who takes the time to get to know one of these women is likely to learn to see her full beauty.

I am a gentle man. I may make an inadequate first impression on those whose eyes are drawn to the flashy soldier's uniform and who forget the farmer's strength, but I will not change who I am. Those who take the time to get to know me will learn to see my strength.

The irony here is that I am putting myself first. I make my choices on the basis of my values, not according to what others want to see. I don't need a woman - certainly not at the price of my own sense of self-worth. When I go out of my way to please a woman, I do so not because I hope to get something from her, or because I am allowing myself to be manipulated or used by her, but because I want to! I get pleasure out of it.

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Gnome,

Good Response!

I have changed my view of you, not that it matters one bit or should matter one bit. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Then keep on doing what is right for your, and eventually you will meet that special lady who thrives on Gnome being Gnome.
That's the key isn't it? Finding somebody who thrives on us when we are being ourselves.


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GDP, you said:

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I am a gentle man. I may make an inadequate first impression on those whose eyes are drawn to the flashy soldier's uniform and who forget the farmer's strength, but I will not change who I am. Those who take the time to get to know me will learn to see my strength.


Okay, here's where I get to have hope for others when I can't have hope for myself. Truly there ARE women out there who respect and who would love to be with a guy who is more gentle, who is not bold and agressive all the time. Cocky and agressive and edgy can be exciting initially, but in my experience those guys are hard to trust and are not what I'd want to be with long-term (remember--I married one). Give me a man who is gentle, consistent, strong, caring, there for me when I need him, and who is able to admit to his own vulnerabilities. And I'm thinking I'm not the only woman out there who feels this way.

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The irony here is that I am putting myself first. I make my choices on the basis of my values, not according to what others want to see. I don't need a woman - certainly not at the price of my own sense of self-worth. When I go out of my way to please a woman, I do so not because I hope to get something from her, or because I am allowing myself to be manipulated or used by her, but because I want to! I get pleasure out of it.

Even though I may think you are limiting yourself because you are so focused on this one lady, you really do have your act together and I think you would make her, or some other lucky woman, a very good partner.

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