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Plan ABAABBA is not really going to be effective.

Ya know......they were not a bad band actually. They had some good tunes.

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I am in Plan A, darn it. I just have to do it from afar. we are separated... I was simply asking advice on these questions...

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Alison -

I am trying to hunt down the link to the Carrot & the Stick of Plan A for you.

Your WH is fogged out right now - I don't think you will get an honest response from him.

Love Busters are:
1 - Angry Outbursts
2 - Disrespectful Judgements(trying to impose your opinions on your spouse)
3 - Selfish Demands

In Plan A, you want to avoid angry outbursts, disrespect and demands at all costs.

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D-Day May 14th, 2005
Married 16 Years
DS age 8
6 months Plan A
Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery.
2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out.
Plan B for my sanity
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Alison,

They are excellent questions!

You'd think you could get an excellent response to them too. At least I did.

I would say it's quite fair and not an LB to ask them. Just don't expect the 'A-ha!' moment to come from them.

I couldn't imagine how those questions couldn't penetrate my XH's delusions, but they didn't.

They are valid and fair questions though and you never know what might happen. I'd caution you to go in with no expectation that the questions will provide you with any reasonable answer or insight. If they do, GREAT. If not, you've lost nothing and put something out on the table.

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Alison -

See the thread titled does anyone have the link to the Carrot & Stick of Plan A -

The second post has the link for you-

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Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery.
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Thanks Guys:

Kim: I have it - I copied and pasted into my email.. thanks!!! I thought maybe it would be a DJ since he denies so whole heartedly...

Faith: Thanks - I guess i feel like maybe there will be or could be an AHA moment - I am probably wrong - since in addiction, one has to hit rock bottom... I just don't want my H to hit it...


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Faith: Thanks - I guess i feel like maybe there will be or could be an AHA moment - I am probably wrong - since in addiction, one has to hit rock bottom... I just don't want my H to hit it...

Alison,

Steve Harley counseled with my EX and I about that AHA moment.

Seems that is one thing that many WS's say they are looking for. They figure that one day that one thing will happen that will show them the right thing to do and everything will become clear. My XH used to say he was waiting for a 'sign' that staying with his family was the right thing.

The BS looks for that one day that one thing they say finally breaks through and makes everything clear.

SH said that very very seldom is there an AHA moment that magically shows the way. Looking for it, as a BS or a WS, is for the most part a waste of time.

That's really when I stopped looking for those questions that would get through or the one magical action that would cause everything to come to an end.

The fact is that it is the PLANS that work. A series of contemplated and executed steps that work together to bring the situation around is what works.

It makes it so much harder than coming up with the AHA comment or action. But it's not a single action led to the affair and it's not one action that can end it.

An affair is made by taking a series of slippery steps and slightly adjusting your morals and reasoning to fit your needs. Ending an affair seems to require a series of steps slightly readjusting your reasoning too. That AHA moment just doesn't often happen.

I'm just passing this bit of advice from SH and the thought process that followed for me on to you in the hopes it helps you work around that same issue.

It may be different for you but I know his advice was right on for my situation.

Good luck Alison. You really are doing a great job <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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FIM - Great post! Kim


D-Day May 14th, 2005
Married 16 Years
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6 months Plan A
Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery.
2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out.
Plan B for my sanity
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ok - so H just left and we had a great night. One which we have not had in forever... it was all about him and his career and the HUGE EN - Admiration!!!!! I worked it baby. Although this has always been a huge EN that my H needed, I just haven't fulfilled it in a while...

He kissed me on the lips - wierd, but HE did it, not me... It was good. NO LB's what so ever and boy did I pump his as* up in the EN department...

I feel good. This is what he missed - I can tell just from his reaction to our conversation this evening. It wasn't at all about us. it wasn'y at all about me or our family, but about his career....

Can't say I feel better, because it made me realize how much more important his careeer was than his family, but it made him feel good and I actaually felt good too because I gave him every single one of his EN's - and I didn't do it because I felt I had to, I did it because I seriously have the utmost respect for him when it comes to his job... I have known since the day I met him thatg he was THE BEST manager EVER... That is something I would never take away from him and always something I will respect and honor him for...

Anyway - sorry - it was a pretty good night in the Plan A sense... I know - not much of a limited contactm but none the less, at least it was good contact!!!


Separated: 12/18/2005



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