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Email passwords got changed today as well.

I have come to realize this is time for me to take care of my son and myself until she lets me back in.

I do still see a light but it is fading fast and the more I talk to her the more I want to talk to her about us and the faster the light gets dimmer.

She is scheduled for counseling next Thursday. We will see.
I myself need to fix me. I have decided to at least get counsel from a lawyer only to find out what my options are for custody.


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OK Ok... I am feeling as if my head were in a vise!

This is really hard guys.

Fighting for the woman you love is very hard to do when you aren't sure who or what you are fighting.

But, I still see a glimmer of light ahead.

My beautiful wife has gotten us into a mess. The money she deposited into our account was great until this week. She had also cashed a 2K check that same day to pay her understudy. That 2K check bounced from the guy she got it. I fixed that today, but it was to be a short lived victory for me when the other deposit she made of 3K bounced as well.... !!!!!!

Since she wouldnt give me a key to the PO Box I had the post master give me my mail over the counter and guess what... The 6K in her new secret account bounced as well. I can only imagine how out of control and scatered she may feel at this time. At this moment we are 2500 overdrawn and instead of flipping my lid I let her know that I understood it wasn't her fault and that we can get past it if we just stay calm and get busy fixing it. I don't think she knew what to say to that. She is at a training seminar overnight and is basically wondering why I didn't explode or say something smart.

I just want her to realize that she has given me the best gift of all in my son and her love over the years. And no matter how rough things get she will always be the mother of my son and loved forever for that alone. Unconditional love is hard to express for a man but I feel I have that for her. I never discerned that what she DID determined my love level for her.

Lately she has been telling me more things that get her angry... Usually I would feel torn down and angry and fight back with tit fot tat stuff but I have been repeating to be sure I heard right and then thanking her for letting me know. I am taking this opportunity in our time to listen to her reality and find the tidbits I need to improve me to the level she needs me to be.

Even if she is hiding things... I think she really does love me and is just majorly confused and frustrated. Otherwise she wouldnt tell me anything about what peeves her off.


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Oh, AH...my eyes are welling up. Look at you!!! You took that very hard hit, and didn't LB. You are getting the respect of her down pat...she can be angry, but that doesn't mean you have to feel torn down or attacked.

You are very much making love a verb...do you feel as awesome as you are?

She is telling you more things that get her angry...can you see how in the future, slowly, she will also tell you more things that give her joy, comfort, acceptance? The bad comes first, then the good...but the good keeps coming.

And are you feeling more love for her as you act loving? Like opening up a crack in yourself and letting out what you were withholding...for all sorts of reasons?

Yes, this is really hard for you to express, but is there anything more worth it in life? You rock. Keep rocking!!!

Major kudos...I am in awe of your reaction to the money situation because that was my emotional Achille's heel. I would react so badly because what I felt was back to childhood, up through my 20's, and dump all that onto my H, bashing him. You don't have that guilt or shame. Be proud and happy with just that choice of action on your part.

You da man!

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Loving!!! Where Ya been ????? I sure needed some wisdom last couple of days....

I Must say that if I hadn't been blasted by all the loving people in here (blasted in a good way with tough love)I may not have handled that so well.

It was a culmination of alot of things in my work coming to fruition in my favor and alot of things in hers falling apart rapidly at the same time. I know I could have gloated and been boastful but that would have been the worst thing to do. I had done that for nine years and it hasnt worked very well as you well know now.

Despite the blistering scolding I got this AM about how inappropriate I acted on a certain day a few years back at an obscure party with people I don't even remember meeting she let a little light shine by saying to me..." you know if you could ever get on track with my cycle and pay attention to it you just might be able to understand and handle me better."

I don't know about you but that was like she told me that I still had a chance to figure her out and we had a future to do it in....

I sure missed you wonderful wisdom LovingAnyway!!


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Maybe you needed my absence...you really shined, sir.

Oh! Are you hearing her resentments from a past infringement with present day fury? That's wonderful!!! Seriously. You're being tested, toots. And she's releasing long-held stuff. Keep thinking of all the loving stuff she'll blurt in the future...like a refreshing stream. You're doing so well.

Yep...she has budding hope, dear AH. I read it the same way. Like an invitation to keep being who you are now, doing what you're doing. Her biggest EN is acceptance...which is understanding without judgment.

I think you both would love that in your marriage. If I read you right!

Awwwshucksy'alltaheck...about missing me. LOL. You're just meeting ENs all over the darn place. Stop that. Heehee. You're blooming, sir.

I'm just a really blessed witness.

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Charles Dickens said it best through tiny Tim..."God Bless us ev'ry one!!"

It aint near over yet. She has to come home and their is STILL the issue of the hidden account and the time away from our son and the secrecy and the PO Box and... Oh well a test is what I am expecting and prepared for...

Earlier this week I was terribly distraught , Angry and totally lost in my own pity party. Oh woe is me... Well my SF marine training has been summoned and I have a renewed vigor.

First thing is she is feeling some severe stress now due to her troubled work and our finances being almost destroyed due to her secrecy... Far be it for me to add to the stress (on purpose)I realize that she needs to be loved more than questioned..............................

Wow!! That was an epiphany!! I havve recently been asking alot of questions and have met with MAJOR resistance only to now make the realization that she just needs to be LOVED!! OMG what have I been thinking?? I have an awesome opportunity to gain ground...

She just called while I was typing and wanted to know if I was able to get gas... Yes I did, the man at the gas station made an exception and took a check. (another blessing from God) She said she has cash, I asked how, she said she borrowed enough to get by the weekend and she should have the money for the account back in there by tomorrow...

(here was my chance) "OK, I know you have it under control. I will talk to you tomorrow." How was that??

>>>>AH<<<< Swelling with pride but very cautious!!


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Excellent!

But, don't let the ephiphany get away from you.

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Let me take it one step further...you realized she needs to be loved more than questioned...let's break down that love into parts...(and yes, you got it, the sum is greater than its parts)...

Love is...

acceptance
doesn't judge
patience
respectful
interested
has faith in
endures

All this you are communicating to her with your active love...I just want you to know that what resounded with you was emphasis on the acceptance part of love. You accepted where she was at in her financial decisions, her concern, her feelings, her stress--in essence, you accepted her.

See the difference we so easily confuse? We accept the person but not the actions. Too often, we feel we are not acceptable as humans, seperate from the way we act. God said don't judge others...they are wholly acceptable and wonderfully made. He said discern their actions. That is all he has allowed us...that's why boundaries are what you create and enforce...they require you to change. Selfish demands require someone else to change. God's plan kicks.

Your way of acting love is doing something very difficult...you are telling her that you are a leap of faith...full knowing her deception...but waiting for her honesty. Worth waiting for. That you believe in her, know she's capable, worthy...acceptable.

You stopped your assumptions about the secret account and waited on the truth. See, the account is an action.

That's your way of loving. Yeah, bust a button, AH. You absolutely deserve it.

See, all this touchy-feely stuff ain't so bad, now is it?

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Just a high point for now.... I do have enough sense to realize it can and will change back and forth eventually.

She is using the fact that our insurance pays for only 30 visits as a reason to not necessarilly have MC just IC for both of us seperate... She was pretty adament about that. I don't know why... But maybe it is a sign from God that I should just shut up and .................
accept
not judge
be patient
be respectful
be interested
have faith in
endure...........

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As I said... for now... She just returned from being gone 2 days and used the computer... to which I found out her new password is "mybilly".... Her boss is named Billy and her client that wrote the check that is in her secret account is named Bill.

Ok there is that.. then I find an email that says she is scheduled to go to counseling Thursday, BUT she wrote..."I personally think it is a waste of time, but it will be documented"

OK people I need some loving or some beating cause I am getting antsy!!


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I can see why the antsy, AH...

And I can see cause for celebration...going to MC for any reason (my H went to get validation to leave) is a good start. Honestly. Better than the alternative.

And you are getting there for you...all those parts of love? Accept that you are worried, fearful, hurting...do not judge those feelings...be interested in those feelings...trace them to the beliefs generating them...be respectful of yourself, all your changes, your ephiphanies...you are enduring, not reacting to her, choose how you will act to yourself...

and

have faith that you are not alone, never have been, that your life has a purpose beyond your realization right now...and God is with you, loving you as a whole, marvelously made human.

Do not react in your head to possibilities...act from your code.

Feel loved or beaten? I can't tell which I'm doing.

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LovingAnyway.... How close our situations are is spooky. I got out of bed this morning (notice I didn't say woke up) and saw her off to work. Last night She tended to sleep alot closer and I was allowed to place my hand on her thigh as long as I didn't move it.

Might as well have had sex for me!!! Yeah!

Pitiful I know. As for the MC... It isnt MC and when we discussed it going from IC to MC she was not receptive at all. Seems we only get 30 visits a year on our insurance for counseling and she says if we go seperate we get 60 all together...

Not exactly true but logic isn't her strong point at this juncture.

It amazes me.... Simply amazes me how illogical she is being lately.

I mean, if you are gonna leave and want custody, don't you think showing a pattern of being there for the child is paramount in your case? I mean... For the last 6 months or so I have dropped off (loved on), picked up(loved on), fed(loved on), bathed(loved on) and put to bed(loved on) our son. And I have enjoyed it except when he cries or whines for his mother. Then I just get angry at her. Not only that but I do this AND run my business all over the State of Georgia.

Is it me or isn't this better for me in a court case??


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Desperately trying to maintain my senses while working on bringing my W back to the conflict stage at least.

Can you give me some moxie??


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:::digging around in my trunk...finding a big can of whopa$$...a pail of moxie:::: Got it! Use it like spackle, 'k?

"Pitiful I know."

Prepare for a 2x4...do not look through another person's eyes at your own thoughts and feelings. That is self betrayal. You take that gift of last night's limited affeciton and flush it. Don't do that.

Did Jesus think when the widow donated her mite and he rejoiced that that was pitiful? I don't think so. You are not pitiful, nor was your rejoicing nor gesture. You perceive affection, touch, as sacred. So do I. Many do. Our connection, however limited, is not pathetic or pitiful.

Heck, I consider my H's presence as a form of affection. Go there, I dare ya.

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As for me mixing up MC and IC...my experience coming through again. See, we are in MC, uh, seperately. Same guy sees us seperately. It works because we both agreed that unless what we disclose is confidential, it can be shared via him at his discretion. Takes a lot of faith and trust for that, but it has worked for a year and a half. So, we're really in IC for ourselves, and it has greatly benefited our marriage. Sure drove the ownership of our lives home. We were so enmeshed before. This really helps.

And our insurance doesn't pay a dime of it. If you'd said to me, "To save your marriage, your H is going to pay $480 a month and you're going to pay $240 a month" I would have divorced. Truly. I have a real problem with spending money (all about security). We didn't think we had that kind of money. Then I thought of how much a divorce would cost, what we'd be left with...and it is a bargain. Well worth the rebudgeting. We were helped by God, though, bringing me two raises and a bonus, my H's raises and bonuses, because we couldn't have made it. First we had to commit, then God suppported. That's what I believe.

So, I'm in favor of your wife's logic. No kidding. Stunned, aren't ya?

See, by saying that she has the concept she'll go 30 times, then she's not bailing right now. I'm only concerned with the present. That time is worth it for Plan A. I know how much you want to get some commitment from her, stamp it down and work it out. All of that to get out of the pain and alienation you feel. I hear you.

And I do not believe for a minute she wants to get out, get custody or anything. She wants her family, to not be a destroyer, to understand and accept herself...and she doesn't have any of these things set in her mind, just the bottom of her heart--which is covered up with a lot of junk.

Don't moxie her heart. Keep your moxie for yourself.

The time you have with your son is precious, building and when he cries for his mother, the PERFECT opportunity for recognizing his feelings. Instead of getting angry at her for making him cry, acknowledge, "You are really missing Mom. I hear you. Me, too. You feel angry and sad at the same time." This is the very best parenting anyone can do. Do not try to solve his feelings for him or distract him. He is learning through you how to handle his thoughts and feelings. True parenting at its hardest. Especially when you're only now learning how to do this!!

What a gift!!! Look at this, not through your pain feeling his, but as yourself, a little boy, learning that his feelings are valid, they are his, and you have faith that he can cope with them with your support. I feel so strongly about this because it was missing for me. For so many of us.

You can teach him to self soothe by acknowledging his feelings out loud, and looking around at his present. Dad's there, he's taken care of and anger doesn't end his life, nor sadness or longing. That he can have feelings he doesn't like and live with them...they are temporary. They are information for him. They are his. You have yours. Here's how you deal with them.

He'll have that for life. He's four...super critical age. The more you make it her fault for causing this, then that's what he'll believe. Others make you feel bad stuff. Stop others from making you feel. Control your environment to control your feelings. How's that working for ya?

Sorry...I get angry all over again at the way I parented (last paragraph) and my own inner child. I have the opportunity now to reparent (which is really limited) my sons, but a solid way to reparent my inner child. Can you tell I'm not doing so well? LOL

So, to maintain your sanity, do not go into your wife's mind. Stop. No entry. Forbotten. Off limits. Listen and repeat, do all those marvelous acts of love you do, cherish the time with your son and document...not to make a seperation or divorce real, but to know your reality.

Sounds like your wife is caught up in a lot of stuff of hers and if you need to know what that stuff is, investigate it. Just like you did the secret account. Just don't mindread or assume and betray yourself that way.

You are doing it all...running your business, parenting your child and trying to save your marriage. When you feel any resentment for all of this, maybe because "Where does that leave time for me?" or "Don't I matter?" then stop allowing yourself those beliefs. "This is my life, full and rewarding. My wife may have felt this same way before, overwhelmed, full of resentment for having to do it all. I will believe that this is all blessing and guidance, and not create resentment in myself."

Okay, something close, in your words. I think you're better at them anyway.

Admire yourself, you deserve it from you.

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"You are really missing Mom. I hear you. Me, too.

Exactly what I say!!


I just got a call from a dear friend that told me she had a conversation with Her 4 months ago and they talk abut another guy that was giving her everything she needed emotionally yet it hadn't gotten physical..

It all hurts so bad.. I know this is probably her boss. But I have no proof YET.


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Exactly what you say. Now, add the other stuff, and you are being the best dad in history. Honestly. Awesome.

I'm not blowing wind up your sail...I am telling you to look at the authentically awesome human you are!!!

Get proof. Look up all the stuff here to get proof.

I believe it is Billy also.

Do it. Not to manipulate her but to clear up your reality.

Then expose.

Hear your pain, AH...find out where it is coming from. Be precise with each source. Answer here. It is only for now, this moment.

Expand the friend network to know you need all information and support. That you're out to save your marriage.

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Expand the friend network to know you need all information and support. That you're out to save your marriage.

What do you mean exactly...?


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Let your friends know you would value their support and information, that you're out to save your marriage. Think of all of them and call.

Am I nuts?

I could be.

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I have been doing that..

Some I can talk to but others are totally true to her. We just moved here so there aren't any friends yet. Isolated and deserted.

I am growing so weary... My heart is physically hurting and my head is in a vise and my stomach is in knots. I can't get the 'mybilly" out of my head!!

I can honestly say that I will be here for her when it all comes to a head, and I know it will soon. What I need is alot of advice on how to stand up and be strong when it does.


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Ahhh, so there is where the moxie comes in...

Tell me what you fear you'll do or say. Tell me what standing up looks like, what being strong looks like to you.

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My constant fear is that she is ready to leave at the drop of a hat and that I may not have a good grip ON that hat.

Standing up looks like me being able to stand toe to toe with her and not act apologetic for even suggesting she has done something wrong.

You see I am shouldering a ton of the responsibility in my heart andmind for whatever we are going through. If I hadn't made it so easy for her to be intimate with others, she may not have gone as far as I fear she has.


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