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Would you mind if I sent this to Wookie (dh)? He'd totally dig it....it's so true!

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No one hates war more than the ones that have to fight them! I know I dont like it, even though I have been a professional soldier for most of my adult life.

I dont mind fighting a war. I dont mind killing terrorists and breaking their stuff. I dont like it...but I dont mind doing it.

The men and women that stand watch on the towers are the reason the hordes of those barabrians dont kill us in our sleep.

War is made possible because evil men and women push the good people to it. The war on terrorism wasn't started by the U.S. That was because a few idiots flew our planes into our buildings and a lot of our friends died. And Americans are funny that way...we really dont want to have that happen again.

That has been our reaction throughout our history. You bomb a nightclub in Germany with U.S. soldiers being killed (Libya), then we drop bombs in your front yard. You drop bombs on one of our states (Hawaii), and we drop two nukes on you.

That's what I dont get about these little SOBs. Our history shows that we arent like a lot of other countries. We actually are not like any other country. And with a history of not backing down and destroying our enemies after they hit us...I just dont get these people. Didnt they know that we would and will respond this way? Tobie keith's song says it very well.

Again, I dont like war. Dont want to fight in one ever again. But, somebody punch us in the mouth again? I have no problem being a part of the can full of whoopass. As far as I am concerned...they asked for it!

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Thought I would include this letter from LG Pittman, USMC.

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Letter of Apology
For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
I humbly offer my opinion here:
• I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
• I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
• I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
• I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
• I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
• I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
• I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
• I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
• I am sorry that the U.S.A. has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
• I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
• I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
• I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
• I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
• I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.
• I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
• I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
• I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
• I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
• I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
• I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
• I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!
• I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.
America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.
We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.
If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

Chuck Pitman
Lieutenant General, USMC

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"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams

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And one last one...this was written a year after 9/11 by a British journalist.

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Real Restraint or SHAME ON YOU AMERICAN HATING LIBERALS
by Tony Parsons
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[ Just a word of background, for those of you who aren't familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror. This is a notoriously left-wing daily that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic. Tony Parsons is an adept author, who has a large following in Europe and the US. ]

One year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting-the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.

But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year. There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach.

America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them?

What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some unborn. And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter?
These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11.

Remember, remember. Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive. Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers. Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive. Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum. Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have.

So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex... So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for.

How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?

When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war. The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of ******," if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of ****** like you wouldn't believe.
The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived. But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had and we should start remembering that.

Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York Fire Department.

To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange center, oh mighty one!
Remember, remember, September 11.

One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America.

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We're filling up the Wookies in box! LOL!


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MM,

You are the man! I have seen these before, agreed with them, and still do. Thank you for posting them. Everyone needs to see and read them.

Thank you,

Chuck


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I would like everyone to go to this website and watch this slide show. Dustin Evans is a country music star now...but was a soldier in Iraq. He wrote this song over there.

http://www.masonweaver.com/portal1/IfIDie.ppt

One note from me: We in the military do appreciate those that honor and appreciate our sacrifices. We do. But, what you will never know is how much we appreciate YOU allowing us to serve!

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• I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

B.S.

GC

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• I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

B.S.

GC

BS?? Barbara Streisand?

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• I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

Here is a quote from my hero, General Robert E. Lee. seems he had the same problem with a messed up media as we do today:

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[W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear, in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals to edit the newspapers

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• I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).


B.S.

GC

I agree, GC, but MANY people take what is handed to them by the media like a baby sucking at it's momma and are quick to take what is said at face value.

GC - you have to understand that those of us who question and delve and THINK to question are far outnumbered by those who eat the baby food and are fast becoming lemmings.

I am beginning to hate the news with it's one liners that are intended to incite but don't tell the whole story.

- Kimmy


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Do you have some that my daughter can give her high school teacher who constantly tells her and her class that the military brainwashes people into killing and on and on and on?

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Do you have some that my daughter can give her high school teacher who constantly tells her and her class that the military brainwashes people into killing and on and on and on?

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So she has to listen to his pap, because it's a class and freedom of speech and all that...but what about her freedom NOT to hear it if she chooses....um...F fer sure!

His political views should be withheld....

But that's MY opinion.


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Yes thats about the gist and you should hear the things he has said. We have taught her to stand up respectfully against him however some days she comes home pretty uptight.

We are however very close to taking it to the school board at this time.

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Do you have some that my daughter can give her high school teacher who constantly tells her and her class that the military brainwashes people into killing and on and on and on?

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How about this quote:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" -- John Stuart Mill

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You know, I really harbor nothing against an idiot like that. You knwo why? Because he hasnt a clue what he is talking about. I WANT my kids to hear this stuff from these idiots! They come home and say "Dad, you should have heard what this guy said today." They KNOW what's right. Know why?

Because they have a father that has been to war in Bosnia. They have an uncle that just came back from Afghanistan. They have a cousin that just came back from Iraq.

Unless this useful idiot wants to grab a weapon and stand the post over there...I really dont care what he has to say. He knows not me, nor my brothers and sisters in arms. He doesnt even know what is going on over there!!

I have seen the enemy face-to-face. Has he? My brother has seen the enemy face-to-face, and what the enemy has done to these people that live there. Has this teacher? No. This guy sat back here, went off to some college, got too drunk on Greek row, got a teaching degree and now spouts off about things he knows nothing about!

Leave this guy in the room alone with a few of those "peace loving" terrorists we got locked up in Gitmo. Just for a few minutes. This guy will wet his pants and plead for those soldiers to rescue him.

As I said, I have no patience for idiocy!

Hope that quote helps, though!

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"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" March 23, 1775 -- Patrick Henry

His words apply very well to today, when we have people walking around wondering why we are fighting this war.

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You are the man! I have seen these before, agreed with them, and still do. Thank you for posting them. Everyone needs to see and read them.

Thank you,

Chuck

You are welcome Chuck!

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I found a few more...just thought I'd share:

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The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.
Douglas MacArthur

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