no eye rolls pleeease? I don't accept them.

the WW is still wanting contact or this would be over.

that is the truth.

no opinion here. just the truth.

contact would end if ww wanted it to.

i gotta go. sick of being sucked back into this drama. i have too much on my own plate for this.

truth is, she is wanting the two men...i said it before. she is addicted to causing the drama..having 2 men fight over her and give her attention. it is what it is. period.

i'm outta here.

I am saying that Dr. Harley's son is well aware of Dazed's situation, and still advised that if Dazed wasnt losing love and wasnt LBing, that he should continue Plan A. now, I do agree with most of what you wrote here. The issue is that since a WS doesnt respect the BS (how could they and still have an affair?), then your axiom would mean they should be dumped out on the curb the moment D-Day comes. I understand respect. But I also understand addictions. And you dont overcome addictions this way.

In His arms.

It was the truth the day she hooked up with him. This isnt the point though!


That is your opinion! That I do understand!

In His arms.

IHadEnough...

The reason that you aren't following this is because perhaps you do not understand that Dr. Willard Harley and his son Steve Harley are two different people...Maybe knowing this will help...

Also, affairs by their very nature are abuse. No doubt about that...No one is suggesting that once Dazed helps his wife get away from the addiction of the affair that he would ever tolerate this kind of abuse again. What you may not see is that Plan A is about ending the affair and attracting the WS back to the marriage...A BS does NOT continue Plan Aing once the affair and the withdrawal are over...Do you think that Mr. W has continued to Plan A me while recovering our marriage??? NO, I can assure you that that is NOT the case. Recovery is VERY MUCH a two way street. Mr. W's Plan A is what allowed for the DEEP REMORSE that I feel about the horrible abuse that I subjected him to with my affair. Do you not understand that had he have screamed or yelled or shut me out that that would have only fed the rationalizations and justifications that I, as a WS, had built up in my mind??? That is exactly what would have happened...which would either have led to the demise of us or at the least a false recovery. I fully understand that in doing what I did to him that I didn't deserve his grace...but that has been his gift to me...a gift that I will never stop being grateful for...

Just Peachy...I certainly wasn't knocking you in my post to Dazed...not at all...you absolutely have every right to see things from your perspective...I would suggest to you, however, that a WW is a very different animal than a WH...but that's a whole other can of worms...I have very deep respect for your experience in this process. And I'm sure that Dazed knows that he has had very fuzzy boundaries during this process. I know that he is working on that...It breaks all of our hearts to see anyone go through what we all know is a huge nightmare.

I also feel, and almost everyone here has expressed this to Dazed, that he MUST stand up to both the OM and his wife's addiction to the OM and get the RO in place to protect his family...Dazed WHEN are you going to do that specifically?

Mrs. W

Mrs. Wondering

Hi. I did realize that there were two Dr. Harley’s. I do know one of them said he would rather divorce than go through this personally and he is in the business.

Now it is true I don’t know if Dr. Steve Harley’s wife has cheated on him and had an affair or not. If she did I am wondering if he would accept the same treatment that Dazed is getting from his wife? That was my point. It would seem to me that advising people that they need to accept abuse to save their marriage is the wrong message.

If the spouse stops the affair and vows to work on the marriage that would be another thing but that is not the case here.

I also am tired of people with free will getting a pass by calling it the fog or an addiction. They could quit doing what they are doing if they want too, but they don’t want too.

Despite what is being said on this thread there are no boundaries? There are no consequences so Dazed is inviting this kind of abuse. He did not take vows with the OM he took them with his wife.

I know this is pointless to debate this. I had a lot more but it is pointless. I am not going to convince you and nobody is going to convince me that a person should stay in an abusive marriage from a spouse that will not end the affair.

what we have truthfully here is a guy getting kudos for paying off negative behaviors in a ww.

and NO...a WS is a WS is a wS. they all do same things. lie, cheat, steal, and are addicted to their op's.

She is actually NO DIFFERENT from my xh. she will get away with what she is ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH...and she has had carte blanche fully aware that dazed will welcome her home from om's with open arms...and that the "bad om" will be punished. so she plays "bad H" when she's with OM. she is doing what my xh did..playing both people...and playing them well.

fuzzy boundaries or ENABLEMENT? it's classic enablement.

Let's put it in frame of reference in being a parent ...let's say you have a very rebellious child. acting out, yelling, and deliberately going out of his way to do the opposite of what he is expected to do.

how does one deal with it? by letting the child just do what they want to do? no. not at all. after a time, after talkings to fail, then other discipline must be approached. AGAIN WE DON'T DISCIPLINE ANOTHER ADULT, BUT THIS IS JUST A SITCH WHERE YOU MAKE A COMPARISON OK? You can try more direct approach and ground the child...and if things still are negative, and nothing's working...if you were me, you'd spank em. and then send them to their room to think about what they did.

now we have a ww. she is deliberately PUSHING THE MARRIAGE BOUNDARIES ALL THE TIME. She's become quite proficient at lying. she is openly disrespectful of her H and is imho, "not there" as a mom...not yet anyway. so what happens to her when she goes to stay a few hours at om's and lies about it? she gets a talking too. what does she get when she has om meetings at parking lots, or anywhere b/c the man THINKS SHE IS STILL INTERESTED???she gets more understanding and talks. and oh yea! she gets a designer jog suit, tanning bed, and purse or something.

that's like taking your child to toys r us after a tantrum. right?

WHAT DOES THIS REINFORCE? IT REINFORCES that she can walk all over him. it doesn't make her respect him...no. It makes her feel more secure IN HER WAYWARDNESS...that all it takes is a sad look, pout, and a meaningless promise of "I will do better next time" and dazed is sucked right in.

its up and down and up and down. rollercoaster is still in operation sadly.

and yes, these are my opinions and I don't give a blank if anybody disagrees with me...and I am not gonna get sucked back in here...so please DO NOT POST ASIDES TO ME...as I am outta this.

my thoughts are pretty darn clear. ws are not to force this pain on a bs forever. not at all. this has gone on all too long.

Finally, NO ONE SHOULD BE DUMPED TO CURB ASAP UNLESS ITS NOT A MARRIAGE SITCH...now a boyfriend? girlfriend. KICK EM' TO THE CURB AND HARD.

but a marriage with kids? sure you work it out...but reasonably and you set boundaries and you work a clear cut plan. and you do not stay in an endless circle of actions/reactions/actions/reactions where there is NO FINALITY...NO CHANGE...NOTHING ENDS...affair continues...half life at house with family still continues.

this is the truth. period.

I would never want or agree that somebody should dump somebody instantly.

but six months of deliberately lying, cheating, and placing a child at risk?

i seriously believe this woman is ONLY SORRY SHE'S GOTTEN CAUGHT AND ONLY SORRY THAT DAZED DIDN'T GIVE IN...she wanted and still wants to be a ww...or she'd go nc.

TRUTH = NC

So, let me get this straight JustPeachy...

What you are saying is that you dont believe in MB principles at all...that the Harleys dont know what they are talking about...that if their wives had done to them what ours are doing to us, that they would throw this Plan A/Plan B malarchy out the window? Do I have that about right?

So, with that, the question is: why are you here? Sure, you are just as entitled to anyone to post your thoughts...but when you start holding yourself up as the expert, and criticizing the experts who have a track record and have studied this for years...I just wonder what you get out of being here?

It would be like me logging onto to some Muslim website and telling them they have it all wrong and they should do it my way. Of course, I dont believe a word of what their koran states, but I'll jump on the blog and ridicule them following their Koran.

So, I can see that you dont believe in SAA principles, the needs thing, that affairs are addiction, the love bank, etc. None of it.

So, again...I am just trying to figure out what credibility you may have here when you make yourself out to be the expert and eschew the expert's proven track record?

In His arms.

Well Said MM well said…. There are people here that are just plain bitter and angry and all they preach is to PUNISH the WS and they like Plan “B” because it’s COLD and HARD and packing clothes and kicking someone out to “set boundaries is RIDICULES… it’s just mean and hateful.

I challenge ANYONE to argue with this logic….

EVERYONE here has at one time stated that THIS PARTICULAR OM is a MANIC…..a very sick DUDE…maybe capable of even murder…. He has gone as far as stealing her keys and sleeping BY THE DOOR to keep his wife there….. Stalked…damaged cars….. Threatened even their daughter…..
AND EVEN THEATENED TO KILL A PUPPY!!!

So… let’s see….what should Dazed do????? So what do they tell Dazed to do? THROW IS WIFE OUT INTO THIS GUY’S CARE???????? And then go dark so she can’t even contact him if this guy gets violent?? HUH???? Is THIS the part of LOVE I missed?

As for the “Punishing and spanking a child reference..can’t spank an adult….BUT..At what point do you PACK YOUR CHILD’S BAGS THAT’S ADDICTED TO DRUGS AND THROW THEM OUT INTO THE CARE OF THE LOCAL DRUG DEALER??? IS THAT LOVE TOO?

One more thing… for the nay Sayers that say Dazed has made NO PROGRESS….
Try and dispute THESE FACTS…. FACTS…PEOPLE…. NOT OPINION…. FACTSsssssss

The approximate timeline (let’s not get caught up in EXACT times and places unless YOU want to go back and document 75 pages of posts…. I don’t!!)

09/26/05 Dazed registers on MB This date is EXACT… LOL
That my friends was ONLY SIX AND A HALF MONTHS AGO TOTAL….. TOTAL….

His first post says it all….. WIFE WANTS TO LEAVE ME FOR OM…..

Wife is at home at this point…. She hates Dazed and is FULLY committed to the affair…

10/05.… After a number of arguments…. Pulling W out of OM’s car… exposure at work… etc…
Wife moves out (for a 2 week trial) with OM….and files for divorce……she’s back in a week but the divorce is still on…..

MARITAL STATIS:
She HATES Dazed…LOVES OM… and is FULLY committed to the affair

Early 11/05.…OM gets Wife an apartment to get her away from Dazed and DD…. She moves out again…..
MARITAL STATIS: She hates Dazed and is FULLY committed to the affair


MID 11/05 Dazed starts his MASTERFUL Plan “A” (even though MOST people are SCREAMING to get her stuff on the porch and “Go Dark”)

MARITAL STATIS: Something starts to change.,… SHE STILL HATES DAZED… BUT…. NOW it’s not for leaving her alone while racing… SHE HATES HIM BECAUSE SHE LIKES THE CHANGES!!!…. Her cry now is….”WHY DID YOU CHANGE NOW… WHY NOW… she’s now CONFUSED…TOTALLY CONFUSED.. NO LONGER….FULLY committed to the affair she stops the divorce….

12/05 Dazed’s Plan “A” is less than perfect…After OM gets his fog machine going again… telling her she better leave since he divorced HIS wife for her…. Mrs. Dazed re-files for D and moves back into an EMPTY apartment….


MARITAL STATIS:
Mrs. Dazed is TOTALLY confused now… OM starts his CRAZY MENTAL actions… she’s afraid…BUT she still doesn’t trust that Dazed has “Really Changed” she lives at the apartment one day… home the next;… back and forth….

LATE 12/05
Dazed starts to hit his stride… His Plan “A” is near perfect by now… and around Christmas… Mrs. Dazed is starting to confide in Dazed about OM…she SPENDS CHRISTMAS OPENING PRESENTS AND ALL THE NORMAL STUFF… except… still has the apartment.,.. And stays there off and on….


MARITAL STATIS: She is REALLY starting to be intrigued with the “NEW DAZED” and starts to spend more and more time at home…holds his hand… hugs him… still sleeps on the couch but..is home more than not….

1/06 Dazed has a Plan “A” going that is becoming LEGENDARY… His W is spitting venom again but it’s different somehow..

MARITAL STATIS:
She’s back home again and the divorce is still pending but something has really started to change… they talk more about their Marriage (out of withdrawal back into conflict) and she’s home most all the time other than a couple of OM kidnappings on the weekend ,

02/06 Dazed is MAGIC… perfect…OM blows up…OVER AND OVER.,… Mrs. Dazed is still home and less angry BUT more confused than ever…..she starts to ask her sister and others (that she KNOWS will tell her to choose the Marriage) for advice. She confides more and more in Dazed and the trust is starting to come back again… she’s spending more and more time with DD.

MARITAL STATIS: The apartment is gone…. The divorce is on HOLD…OM is now NOT a safe place to be…. Mrs. Dazed and DD are “reconnecting” she’s starting to lean more TOWARDS the Marriage than away from it….

3/05 TO PRESENT Dazed is still on…. Wife is home hasn’t been overnight with OM for quite sometime….Mrs. Dazed is starting to “nest again… buying things for the house… asking dazed to help….decorating her “Home” and talking about how stupid she has been. She talks to EVERYONE that will listen about her confusion and looks for reasons to STAY rather than GO….First signs of remorse start to peek out of the fog…


MARITAL STATIS:
Divorce has been stopped…. Final bills from Lawyers….Mr. & Mrs. Dazed actually go places together in public for the first time in almost 10 months…MRS, DAZED IS OFF THE COUCH AND BACK IN THE MARITAL BED….OM is still OM but she has blocked his email address… stopped taking most of his calls….and told Dazed she wrote him a letter (at least she’s trying LOL) W and DD get along much better….etc,,,,etc,,,

NOW PEOPLE….. IN 6 ½ short (but long) months… Dazed has brought his Marriage from his W LIVING with OM… Divorce pending….NO CHANCE of reconciliation….sleeping on the couch when she did come home…. Being nasty and almost kicking DD to the side for OM…

To…. She is HOME sleeping in the Marital bed….fixing up their house…. Spending time together as a FAMILY…..and NO DIVORCE IS PENDING….

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE…. This is the challenge….NOW try and prove that there is NO PROGRESS????? That is a CHALLENGE……….. ANY TAKERS?

GOOD LUCK AND PRAYERS FRANK

POSTED TO ME, PEACHY FROM MORTARMAN:
So, let me get this straight JustPeachy...

What you are saying is that you dont believe in MB principles at all...that the Harleys dont know what they are talking about"

I NEVER SAID THAT MORTAR.

MORE FROM MORTAR:...that if their wives had done to them what ours are doing to us, that they would throw this Plan A/Plan B malarchy out the window? Do I have that about right?"
UH WHAT? NO...I SAID IF I WAS MARRIED TO SOMEBODY I WOULD LIKE HECK WANT TO WORK IT OUT...ESPECIALLY IF THERE WERE KIDS...BUT IF DATING AND NO SERIOUS COMMITTMENT AND SOMEBODY CHEATED..TO THE CURB! WHAT'S SO DIFFICULT ABOUT THAT?

AND THE MEANEST THING i'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE POSTED HERE: ALSO FROM MORTAR BTW..."So, with that, the question is: why are you here? Sure, you are just as entitled to anyone to post your thoughts...but when you start holding yourself up as the expert, and criticizing the experts who have a track record and have studied this for years...I just wonder what you get out of being here?"

I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN ILL OF THE HARLEYS...WOULD NOT HAVE PAID FOR COUNSELING IF I DID NOT LISTEN TO THEIR ADVICE...ALONG WITH OTHER ADVICE FROM EXCELLENT COUNSELORS AS WELL...I AM ALSO IN AWE OF JAMES DOBSON TOO...AND WOULD NEVER SPEAK ILL OF THAT MAN EITHER. WHAT OR WHERE DID YA PULL THIS INFO FROM? WHICH ORIFICE?

WHAT DO I GET OUTTA BEING HERE? WHAT DO YOU GET OUTTA BEING HERE...I DON'T CRITIZE ANY EXPERTS...NEVER HAVE. I ALWAYS REFER PEOPLE TO THE HARLEYS...I TAKE TONS OF OFFENSE TO YOU...RIGHT NOW I SURE DO. WHY ARE YOU HERE? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUTTA THIS MORTAR? I'LL FIRE RIGHT BACK AT YA.

HOW DARE YOU ASK ME WHY I AM HERE AND WHAT DO I GET OUT OF IT...I GET NOTHING OUT OF IT EXCEPT KNOW THAT I AM GIVING SUPPORT AND HELP TO THOSE WHO WALKED THE PATH I WALKED. WHAT ABOUT YOUR MARITAL SITCH? YOU DON'T POST ABOUT IT AND i DON'T ASK YOU YOUR REASONS FOR BEING HERE..

SINCE WHEN DID I HOLD MYSELF UP AS ANY EXPERT..NOW IN MY MEDICAL FIELD I AM ONE HELLUVA PRACTICIONER...BUT LAST TIME I CHECKED NAH...I WAS NOT A PSYCH OR SHRINK. AND I AM NOT A DOORMAT BY ANY MEANS EITHER.

this is over...you won dude. iF YOU CALL THIS A WIN. you can have me off this thread since you're playing this way. I am simply stating facts AS I SEE THEM...TRUTH AS I SEE IT HAPPENING. Gotta hand it to ya..takes cajones for a man to get in the face of a lady like this on a thread.

I am not here to challenge anybody...just to get dazed to wake a bit up and keep good boundaries and realize THE AFFAIR AIN'T OVER YET...SHE IS STILL A WS..HOME OR NOT A WS.

I am totally done here... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

ANYTIME ANYBODY DOES NOT AGREE WITH MORTARMAN HERE ON THIS THREAD OR FRANK...AND DOESN'T SUPPORT PLAN A INFINITELY HERE, THEY GET THIS STUFF...

AND DO NOT BRING MY NAME INTO THIS THREAD ANYMORE. I AM NOT COMING BACK ON IT AND DO NOT WANT ANY PASSIVE COMMENTS MADE TO ME OR ABOUT ME EITHER. at least be a gentleman and respect that ok?

on with your thread. i am finished for good.

and gentleman should be GENTLEMEN...as frank, no more passive insults from you either...

if you knew me dude, bitter and angry would be the last thing you'd notice about me as I am anything but that.

bye, good luck, and i do wish you the best.

Hey Dazed where are you???

...

DON'T GET GIDDY W/EXCITEMENT...I AM JUST LEAVING THIS THREAD 100 PERCENT.

NOT THE BOARD K?

I find it terribly disturbing when somebody simply gives THEIR TAKE ON THINGS...and if it goes against the thoughts or choices another poster has, they gang up on ya...that's what's happened here.

and I am not going to be treated with disrespect period.

especially not from a man. I am a lady and I have taken major offense to the whole way this thread turned.

thus, I am out.

You guys help dazed.

and don't always say what he wants to hear either...say only the truth.

that's what I did/and will always do.

...

I believe the Harley's mention that after 6 months of Plan A, a BS should re-evaluate where they were just past D-day vs. the present (6 mos. past D-day). If visible progress has been made, and the LB of the BS hasn't been completely drained, then a decision to Plan A for another 6 mos. can be implemented. And then another re-assesment of the situation.

The day by day "ups and downs" are not to looked at!!! Frank (masterful job of summarizing Dazed's progress, BTW), myself, and others have pointed out that looking at the long term progress, is the key. The Plans are straightforward, BE THE STEADY ROCK, BE THE LIGHTHOUSE! Consistency of ANY plan is very key!! Yes, boundaries need to be set, but more so as the FOG of the WS lifts.

WS's have horrible memories while continuing the A. When the WS becomes a FWS, a good Plan A will ultimately be looked at as unconditional love from the BS, even as new boundries are being set. Who cares what the WS thinks.....THEY'RE WAYWARD!! When they are wayward, you can ridicule them, be a doormat, leave them, do whatever...but that will mean nothing to the "de-fogged" S.

Look at exposure. How painful it must be to a WS to see a BS telling everyone they can about something bad their committed partners have done. But again, who cares what the WS thinks....and marriages recover from exposure, more often then when there is no exposure.

So the point I'm trying to make??? Plan A, the way the Harley's define it, is about the BS. It is not enabaling or rewarding bad behavior. I would think kicking someone out would be the best way to "enable/reward" their behavior. Plan A and Plan B is a FIGHT OF ALL FIGHTS for the belief in marriage.

If it was a BF/GF situation, that would be one thing. But the difference with marriage is the vows of commitment. Yes the WS broke the vows, but a BS kicking the WS out breaks the vow of "through good times and bad". A's are truly "bad times" for a marriage, but they may not be the end.

Is it "enabling" to fight for your marriage throught Plan A??? Yes....for the BS...it "enables" them to show the deepest love for someone, who has probably been the source of the happiest moments in their lives....but also the saddest, most painful times...adultry. It enables the BS to "check under the hood" of themselves, and make improvements where needed. The car's engine is blown...but while waiting for the "new engine" to arrive, it doesn't hurt to get a new battery, wires, belts, tires, paint job, clean the interior, etc...things that may have been neglected for too long. If the new engine doesn't arrive, or it doesn't fit...the car will still be more attractive to others due to the other repairs made.

Sorry for the long post, and random thoughts.

You can believe in the Harley's approach or not. But on their discussion board...be prepared for debate (sometimes heated) from firm believers...if you choose to have a descending opinion. Just "my .02"

Keep on going Dazed!! Prayers as always!
MWIL

Not in so many words, Peachy. But the advice you were giving was running contradictory to MB principles. I will go back to that previous post in a sec and I will respond to it in particular and show you what I mean.


As I said, I will go back to the original post in a sec. Maybe I missread what you meant.


Wow. Pulling from orifices??? Okay, I wont broach that subject. But let me say this...as I may have misinterpreted what you were saying, I am going back to that post here in a sec and go thru it. What I thought I read was you saying that Dazed should jump to Plan B (even though the harleys say he shouldnt) and that you were saying other things that led me to believe that you didnt believe Dazed should follow the Harley's advice. I will go thru it in a sec. If I was wrong, then I do apologize. But Peachy, you need to learn something here...in the arena of ideas, there will be people who disagree with you. But I never attacked you personally (I have NEVER done that on here!). I was just trying to point out your inconsistencies with what the Harleys were proposing. That isnt an attack.


Wow. Again. Like I said, I never fired at ya. What I did was read what you wrote, and my perception was that you have continued to advise Dazed counter to what the Harleys have advised (you and keepMovn). That was all I was saying. And my point was that if this continuous opposition to what the Harleys have said is really how you feel, then I was wondering if you truly do believe in MB principles. That's it. Not an attack. Just a question wondering why. Again, if I missread your post, then I do apologize. We will find out in a second.


I dont post my marital situation? I have threads all over this place on what my situation is. everone pretty much knows what my situation is Peachy. Again, I wanted to know why you and KeepMovn keep running counter to what the Harleys advise. But you take it as an attack.


Again, by running counter to the experts, then you would be disagreeing with the experts. That's all I meant there.


Who's trying to win? What is there to win?


Okay. This part really irked me. As I said, I was responding to your posts and what I perceived was your continued opposition to what the Harleys have advised, Period. And now you pull the "woman" card. Sorry, I dont play that. What I said in no way demeaned you as a lady. what I said was to someone posting in the arena of ideas. Man...I hate this! I hate it when women pull the "sexist" card, when minorities pull the "race" card. Burns me up. My response to you would have been the same response to anyone. Again, I did treat you as a lady. But that doesnt mean you get a pass when it comes to responses (sugar it up because she is a girl).


And so are we. That we agree on. Where we disagree is in HOW. The Harleys have told Dazed to do one thing. You seem to be telling him to do something else (Plan B and all). What I have continued to harp on is that what some have advised here about Plan B is misusing Plan B. Which means they are running counter to what the Harleys advise. which means they are not following MB principles. Which means...do they really believe in MB principles in the first place?


Not true. First off, no one has said for Dazed to Plan A indefinitely. No one! There have been times which KeepMovn pointed out, where I thought dazed was losing love for his wife or was goingto LB too badly...that he should think about going to Plan B. Of course, he made it thru those times so there was no need to go to Plan B. I believe you are correct that Dazed has not enforced his boundaries well enough...which has resulted in cake eating. But I'll say it again...Plan B is NOT used to enforce boundaries and manipulate the WS!! That is not its purpose. So, my problem with what has been advised is that it doesnt address the problem. The problem is that dazed needs to get the protection order, he needs to be upfront with his wife every time she makes contact, he needs to not be so needy with her, he needs to not lavish on her so much when she is in contact with him. These are the changes he needs to make that will go a long way toward his wife ending contact. So, as I said, you have misinterpreted me...nowhere have I said for him to Plan A forever.


Your choice. I wont respond anymore (except on what I just said above about going back to yoru post to see if I missread it). I will say this Peachy...you want what I want. We both want this situation fixed with Dazed. And we agree on many of the problems. Where we disagree is the solutions. Dazed has stated that he intends to follow the Harley's advice. Since he has decided to do so, then I am going to make sure he stays on that advice and doesnt deviate. And I will continue to hound him about his boundaries and stopping this cake eating!

I never intended to run you off. I have only intended to keep Dazed focused on the path he has chosen. If you choose to leave, I believe that you are doing so due to your misperceptions of me and what I have tried to do here. This was never personal. I have never attacked you. And you have always been treated with respect. I can do that AND disagree with you!!

Again, after I check your previous post, I will leave this issue alone.

In His arms.

I did look back at your last post, Peachy. And while we both agree on her cake eating and Dazed's boundaries...my analysis still stands. Your posts have over and over again pushed for Dazed to go to Plan B or to do something to force his WW into NC. And that isnt possible, especially with his wife!!!

So, again...I am sorry to see you go. But I believe that you may be just overly sensitive to criticism. But enough said. This issue is closed, as you requested.

In His arms