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If it were me, I would just reply "Thanks." That way you have acknowledged him in case his gesture was a nice one of his own, but have not given any information that might be passed on.

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Thanks Neak. Have done exactly that.

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Thanks Neak. Have done exactly that.

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Zuj - did a post to you yesterday that disappeared into cyberspace. So annoying.

My daughter is ok. Finger is stitched and she quite enjoys having a bandage on. Just hope it doesn't get infected. As for her eyes, I can only hope and pray that this is not going to progress to blindness. The problem has been picked up early so that's a blessing but it's very much a watch and wait scenario. At the moment she's fine but will have a special night-time lens fitted that will hopefully stabilize the shape of her cornea. Unfortunately, despite the guy's wonderful medical abilities, his bedside manner with children left a bit to be desired (he mentioned corneas from dead people) so she was incredibly upset. I need to discuss this with him for the future.

Who'd have thought a trip to A&E could have a positive effect! It gave us something else to worry about and distract us from the big issue.

Hope you manage to fill your days with busyness and friends. I also think you should latch onto your MIL's support wholeheartedly - my MIL has been wonderful to me throughout this and is everything a grandma should be too. She's so incredibly upset and disappointed - even now, 2 yrs on - we barely get through a conversation without tears. Must be awful to have witnessed the self-destruction of your child. Hope none of my girls ever dabble in adultery. TT

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My WH attempted suicide tonight <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

FU<k - i can't believe i am even typing it.

apparently all ended with root yesterday. he packed his car, the kids rang him this morning. S msged him with a msg from me re finances.

Apparently 9pm last night he started texting a work collegue and root and then at 3pm today it got critcial and they rang 000 (our 911) and he was picked up by the police and taken to emergency

he is sedated (was violent) and is having antidotes. The psych team will asssess tomorrow, and hope to god they keep him in.

last thing he said to dr before going under was 'dont let my family know im here' but i had found out thru work. when i got there the dr told me that and said 'he may not see you, that is quite common' i said 'i understand, but please tell hiim im here' he did, M didnt want to see me so i just asked the dr to tell him that i love him.

Have taken a ssleeping tablet, gotta get some sleep - dunno what tomorrow will bring.

PRAYERS PLEASE that my HUSBAND comes out of this terrilbe situationm

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anyone who can let me know the 'right or wrong' things to say - please advise.

We knew plan b wasn't going to go for long. We knew he'd crack - just didnt expect to hear that he was at 'The Gap' (notorious spot for 'jumpers') FUU<<<<<<<K\

But he WAS telling people where he was, so that is a cry for help. He wasn't telling ME though.....


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ZUJ...

let the professionals take the lead at this time...

with him in so much inner turmoil and pain it is almost impossilbe to have any real conversations with him right now...

way to volatile and emotional...
full of empty words and promises...

you will need a third party to referree conversations....

and protection from saying and hearing things that aren't meant...

if he is in the hospital he is most likely safe....

sit tight....

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(((zuj))) Get some rest, stay strong, your family is in my prayers.


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Reconciled for 1 year before his A
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Zuj - I have seen so many similarities with your WH and mine and now this. Incredible. My WH did the same but much later on in the A,(brandy and windowledge) and he was never hospitalised. I didn't find out until after. What was hard to bear was that it wasn't over me and the kids; it was because she'd threatened to leave him. After three days they were back together again.

I am so so so sorry that you are having to suffer this. His troubles are many but my sympathies are with you. He is probably deeply ashamed but he'll also be very foggy still. I think you need to let him know you are waiting to talk with him when he is ready to face you. In the meantime, just let the doctors do their stuff. (((ZUJ))).

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Oh me, oh my. You are sure having a time of it! {{{{{Zuj}}}}}}}

I am all at sea for advice on dealing with the kinds of problems he has right now, but just want to reiterate that this is your chance to finishe putting your recovery plan together. Plainly you will need it soon. In a minute here I will pull up my (2nd) list of boundaries and extreme precautions, just to give you some ideas.

Really, I don't mean to always sound like the voice of doom and gloom, but it is better to be prepared than caught off guard. There is a very high chance of him having at least one relapse/breach of NC, and sometimes more. The good news is that it seems to be pretty standard, and you can still recover, especially if you are prepared. (Of course the bad news is that it hurts really badly, and depletes love bank reserves that are already close to bone dry.)

Your chances of a false recovery at least go down with both parties adhering to the extreme precautions recommended by Dr. Harley, and implementing them from the very beginning. But for all that M wants you, wants your family, and is clearly at his wits end for how to put everything back in order, the addiction is very strong yet.

It is going to take time for him to emerge from his hormone-induced labyrinth. Once out, he may choose to stagger back in for a while.

Mentally prepare yourself for what you would do if you discovered renewed C after he commits to NC. Have a plan. That way if it happens you will be hurt, but you will never feel out of control, because you already know exactly what actions you are going to take.

One step at a time is how you will get through this. Someday it will feel like a bad dream. You just have to get through a couple more sets of bumps. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Hey, does anybody know if Zuj has the new record for shortest Plan B that was actually a Plan B?


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Ok, I found it. Hope it helps. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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What It Will Take

· Another letter to Gargamel, explaining that you will not communicate with her again—ever. No loopholes. No contact for the rest of your life. Period.
· In this letter you will also let her know that she has until the end of July to find alternate employment. I agreed to let her work for us on a temporary basis, and that time has long since passed. [We shortened this time period to last only until the end of the payroll she was currently in.]
· Become completely honest. Our marriage will not survive further deception. This not only includes not lying to me, but means not giving me a false perception of something, as you tried to do with the phone calls. No lies, no evasion, no covering, just the full and complete truth.
· Commit to weekly marriage counseling with me, whether by phone or in person. After all this trauma, we need every possible advantage in order to recover our marriage.
· Keep in close touch the way you have been. I am willing to do the same to reassure you.
· Resign from [the job where the A began]. Your phone calls began again just after you started to work there for the first time since breaking up with her.
· Every possible precaution must be taken to erase her from our lives and make contact with her so difficult that you would have to make great efforts and great deception to even make it possible. This includes, but is not limited to:
o Trade cell phones using the phones from you, [and several other employees], and do not give her the new number.
o Give me your current cell phone (instead of [the one I have now]).
o Block her number from your phone.
o Get caller-ID-blocking blocked so there are no blocked numbers on the phone bill.
o Block all of her email addresses from all of your email addresses.
o Delete her from every possible contact list you have.
o Get rid of anything she has given you, cards, memorabilia, anything at all. (The tools will be paid for, and belong to the company anyway.)
o If you have to schedule her for the short time she remains with our company, institute employee numbers instead of names. [By now the sound of her name is so unpleasant for both of us that we refer to her as A Certain Person so we don't have to name her directly.]
o She will not hold any position in the company except [the one she now holds], and that only through July 31 at the latest. [He had previously been trying to get me to give her more assignments, such as scheduling all the employees. I will try to remember to say more about that later.]
o I will continue to deal with all money issues relating to repaying her loans to you. I will let you know once the money is all paid off, but other than that don’t bring it up. You can believe that I will pay it off as fast as humanly possible.
o Do not mention her in the context of the present. She has no more part in our lives. That means you don’t ask how she is doing, if I have mailed her check, or anything current. It is as if she is now dead, and has no place among the living. (The only time her name will ever come up is in dealing with something affair-related.)
o Tell me immediately if there is ever contact of any kind. If you are honest about this, we will simply find a way to prevent it from happening again through more precautions.

If this agreement is broken, at that point the only way I would even think of continuing to be married to you is if we move out of state, far from this area. (Carson City is not nearly far enough, Westby might be.) And, to be very blunt, depending on the level of dishonesty, especially in the face of all these precautions, I might very well decide to end things at that point.
You need to have some glimmer of how badly this recent episode has hurt me, in spite of how calm I have been in talking to you about it. After I compiled the list of phone calls showing just how many times you had called her, and had her call you right back, and exactly how long you talked each time, I walked quietly into the bathroom. For a little while I thought I might just throw up, but instead broke into hysterical, wordless sobbing. I have no idea how long I cried, but it was a long while.
I will not let this continue. There will be no accidents or second chances. There will be no excuses, and no reasons for any type of contact, at any time, ever. No matter how much trouble it might be to put these things into place, it is little enough to prevent the kind of agony I have suffered, and am still suffering now. I will not risk being hurt like this again. I love you enough that I am willing to try one more time, and I hope and pray you will decide to take that chance.


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spoke to hospital at 5am, very non-commital nurse, dont know if it's because it was me, or just the nurse. Said 'i can tell u he is still here and safe.' I asked if he was still sedated and he repeated the above statement.

I asked if he was awake and he said 'yes, he had spoken to him throughout the night'.

I said ' could you please just tell him that J phoned.'

he said 'ok' (whether he does or not is another matter)

My MIL phoned an hour ago. She rang them this morning, got hte morning nurse, was very nice to her. Said he was still on the drip and that he was in a deep sleep, but well rested. He had woken occasionally and was lucid. My MIL told the nurse about the mobile phone (because that will have the texts on it that he sent to work. we all kept forgetting that he had it there) and she said 'yes, we have taken custody of that'.

My friend and I will be driving into the city today to try and find his car, whether near Roots place, or at The Gap. I will ring his work friend later today and see if she can get anything out of Root re where the car may be.

I will ring the hosp in half an hour and hopefully get the same nice nurse that MIL got. I will ask her to ask him if I can see him. He will probably say no <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> but at least he knows that I am there ready to talk to him.

Thankyou for your responses. What a nightmare. I do realise he will be deeply in the fog still, part of the reason that I hope they admit him - he can't have contact with her from there and he can talk to the professionals.

Work has told her NOT to contact him - but whether or not she does is another story.... She may feel so much guilt over this that she tries to initate contact?? I hope that she just leaves the mess she has made alone.

Thankfully he has ALOT of long service leave due and much sick leave, so, financially, we should be ok for a while. HE is in the best place at the moment - as long as they can make him talk and he can get his issues out in the open.

I am so scared. I knew something was wrong yesterday. I was so close to texting himm,and everytime I went to I woudl ring my sister at her work instead - she spoke to me 7 times duringthe day!! I just knew that things weren't right. Now I dont know if my texting would have made any difference, i dont know if the kids ringing yesterday morning (and crying to him) would have been what set him off.

Its the 'dont knows'

And i really really wonder what was in those texts to Rootand work collegue. The work collegue wont tell me.


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His actions pushed him over the edge, plain and simple.

You texting him might have made it easier for him right then, but would only have prolonged the time and pain until the inevitable breakdown.

Of course Root is not leaving this mess alone. OW's are not exactly notorious for just walking away. But if they won't let you talk to him, chances are they are blocking her from access as well.

You could see if your MIL would try to get permission from him (through the staff) to take custody of his stuff. He might not think about the msgs and say yes, but just keep in mind that most of what you would find on there would probably be hurtful to you. However, I think you have the right to know, if you want to.

Keep us posted, k? We're all pulling for you.


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Zuj - nothing you have done has produced this outcome. It's his personality and hormones that have brought him to this. I hope you manage to find his car (unclamped!).

Isn't it strange how you instinctively know when something is more wrong that usual. The day after my WH's windowledge thing I called him. It was the first phonecall I'd made to him for months, other than on a Sunday to arrange with the kids. Something compelled me that day to pick up the phone. Strange. My WH asked to come home for a few nights so he could sort himself out. The first night he was very open and honest and answered a lot of questions. The second night he clammed up again and I KNEW they'd been in contact. So I just let him go. I really wasn't interested in having him back home with an ongoing A (not after being separated for a year at the time).

((Zuj)) - I've said this all along. You NEED to keep strong. He's lost the plot at the moment and the children need you to hold life together. Even if you are on autopilot, the kids won't know, and whatever the outcome of all this mess, one day you will be a normal, functioning, happy dance teacher again. Blessings, TT

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Z,

Sorry to hear about the S scare. That is what WS' tend t/d. Mine put a call into me that sounded like a suicide attempt and when I contacted 911, I was told it sounded the same to them. Of course they (WS & OW) denied it but it also made then spend bo-coo bucks at the swanky Motel6 which they couldn't use because a swarm of police (about 4 - 5) arrived to check on the 'suicidal' WS. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You are right t/b working with the hospital. This is something he brought on himself so you need to hold your guilt at bay. Give him that healing time. Make sure the hospital are aware of who 'root' is and what t/d when she attempts contact.

Hug your MIL. It is hard on her also and in turn she can help you.

You have our prayers.

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ok - update - what a friggen day from ******..

Found the car at the Gap, in it, sitting on the dashboard was a family photo. The cards that I had given him were sitting on the passenger seat. Half a bottle of paracetamol was gone, as was half a pkt of ADs.

Also found out......

ROOT has another man! That is what caused the Bender. I didnt find out that from him - found that out from his work friend...

M saw me tonight at the hospital. Saw him for 1.5hrs. He said he wasn't going to jump, just went there to think. (right) said he just wanted to run away and start again.

He looked at me and said "im so sorry" and I said "i know you are."

The psych has spoken to root - but M doesnt know that I know that,and I didnt let on. Root has been told by work that she is to end all contact with him.

He did ask to see Root (he doesn't know I know that either) and she has been told by the work collegue that she is to ring her as soon as she gets out from seeing him - and tells him that YES it is all over. And that she is NOT to leave him hanging - again.

It could well be that the other bloke has been around the whole time - that is something I have to sus out from the work collegue -but carefully.

He is scheduled - so it will take alot to get him out - which is good, he can get well.

He is being transfered to another hospital, we hope closer to home.

He asked me to take his dirty clothes home.

I am being very very careful. I know that he is still DEEPLY troubled and in the fog. I mean, I can hope that the reason he wanted to see Root was so that he could tell her off - but more likely it is to see if there's a chance.


I can't go back to plan b now - but i do know I have to tread very carefully.

He has just msged my sister to thank her for looking after me- that is a big step. He also saw his best friend H, and he wrote to me and said 'Had long chat with H.He had tears in his eyes when he left but wont admit it.Male thing! Pls ring and make sure he gets home in an hr. He's the best mate a guy can have &I shouldve talked earlier! Dont need hiim 2 have an accident while on way home from mental patient!H said the quickest way out now is not 2 be the stubbornsh!t of the past 24hrs. I hate it when he's right!'

Anyway, Im at my sisters, mum has the kids (my mum is a God)

M asked me to ring his work collegue and apologise for being such a pratt and to ring his mum and say that he can't see her atm, but thank her. So taht is a big big step too.

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers - please keep them up, we're a long way out of the woods yet. I know that, but I am hoping I can see a pin [censored] at the end of the tunnel.

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Sounds like sightings of your real H is starting to show. See how hard that virus takes hold of their lives? In a while I'll bet your H won't even be able to remember all the misery he has caused. He will still feel guilty but that is t/b expected. Don't take away his guilt, he has to learn to work through it.

U R correct about not being in plan B. Right now he needs his healing space and it is important to know you are available. He doesn't have to know how available u r, just u know and let the doctors tell you when is best to fit in on his healing process.

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Zuj, I think he needs a break from his mobile phone too. Totally addicted.

Withdrawal is next on the cards for him after this painful episode. Expect a lot of misery and self-pity.

Glad your mum is a Goddess. Take all the help you can get - you can pay people back later. This is your hour of need. TT

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I would personally think they will take the phone off him when he gets to the psych hospital?

Hope so.

Yes - misery and self-pity is already here - great - more of it to come!! But have definately seen the H head pop out a few times - as did his friend. And he msged my mum too!! OMG that is a huge thing for him to do!

I will wait until tomorrow to ring the hospital now. His mother is also going to ring the hospital tomorrow. I have said to him in a msg that I will bring him over some clothes when we knew where he was going so his bum doesn't hang out of the hospital gown he has on!

As you say Orchid. I wont 'be' there all the time, but I do need to contact the hospital, think I will actually drive over tomorrow - not just ring. Its not that far, only 20mins.


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Just got this from him...

"It's like a jail! Can't use my phone unless I ask some1 and they'll get it out if they think it's ok. They they gunna vet incoming and outgoing calls and texts. They're freaks in here and I shouldn't be here! U can visit any time u want, but have 2 call 1st. I need some clothes, just some jeans & a long sleeve tshirt, socks and shoes 2. The freaks sittin around the tv talking absolute sh!te. listenig to that for any length of time would drive me insane for sure. Do NOT bring children here at all. Not happy. Ni Ni"

I wrote back and said "OMG, sounds awful. Do you want me to come now, Im at P's can be there in 15mins' and he just wrote back

"No"

So... I am v glad re the phone. And I am sure he DOES feel that he shouldn't be there. But I am still glad that he is in there where they will take him seriously.

But OMG. He is going to be so cranky.


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