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Melody - This trip is with my parents & WH will only be missing ONE day of visitation with DS. I didn't spell that out in my note.
This is just not feeling good at all.
This will really make WH happy - the next week my mom is going to come up for a couple of days and then take DS down to stay with them. This really helps out b/c there will be no child care for that week. I haven't told WH about that yet either. He won't be happy.
I never knew my H could be so bitter.
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Kim.............E-mail me hon. I'd REALLY REALLY LIKE TO TALK TO YOU. (if your comfortable with the phone, I'd be willing)
I need to talk to someone who is going through the same stuff.
God Bless,
Caren
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BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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Listen to ML - I have been lurking and just wanted to pop in and say - ditto to all Kim has said.
Go have a great vacation. File at least a legal separation, so custody limits are legally set.
Take care of yourself. You deserve it.
SP
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SP - Thanks for the post - I know I deserve a break. I will get a good night's rest(hopefully) and think about it tomorrow.
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Kimberly- DO NOT cancel your trip - King Baby doesn't appreciate what you have sacrificed already. I posted this for Caren, but you could do with a good metaphor too! The Bridge A Metaphor
There was a man who had given much thought to what he wanted from life. He had experienced many moods and trials. He had experimented with different ways of living, and he had had his share of both success and failure. At last, he had begun to see clearly where he wanted to go.
Diligently, he searched for the right opportunity. Sometimes he came close, only to be pushed away. Often the applied all of his strength and imagination, only to find the path hopelessly blocked. And then at last it came! But the opportunity would not wait. It would be made available only for a short time. If it were seen that he was not committed, the opportunity would not come again.
Eager to arrive, he started on his journey. With each step, he wanted to move faster; with each thought about his goal, his heart beat quicker; with each vision of what lay ahead, he found renewed vigor. Strength that had left it since his early youth returned, and desires, all kinds of desires, reawakened from their long-dormant positions.
Hurrying along, he came upon a bridge that crossed through the middle of a town. It had been built high above a river in order to protect it from the floods of spring.
He started across. Then he noticed someone coming from the opposite direction. As they moved closer, it seemed as though the other was coming to greet him. He could clearly see, however, that he did not know this other, who was dressed similarly except for something tied around his waist.
When they were within hailing distance, he could see that what the other had about his waist was a rope. It was wrapped around him many times and probably, if extended, would reach a length of 30 feet.
The other began to uncurl the rope, and, just as they were coming close, the stranger said, "Pardon me, would you be so kind as to hold the end a moment?"
Surprised by this politely phrased but curious request, he agreed without a thought, reached out, and took it.
"Thank you," said the other, who then added, "two hands now, and remember, hold tight." Whereupon, the other jumped off the bridge.
Quickly, the free-falling body hurtled the distance of the rope’s length, and from the bridge, the man abruptly felt the pull. Instinctively, he held tight and was almost dragged over the side. He managed to brace himself against the edge, however, and after having caught his breath looked down at the other dangling, close to oblivion.
"What are you trying to do?" he yelled. "Just hold tight," said the other "This is ridiculous," the man thought and began trying to haul the other in. He could not get the leverage, however. It was as though the weight of the other person and the length of the rope had been carefully calculated in advance so that together they created a counterweight just beyond his strength to bring the other back to safety.
"Why did you do this?" the man called out. "Remember," said the other, "if you let go, I will be lost." "But I cannot pull you up," the man cried. "I am your responsibility," said the other. "Well, I did not ask for it," the man said. "If you let go, I am lost," repeated the other.
He began to look around for help. But there was no one. How long would he have to wait? Why did this happen to befall him now, just as he was on the verge of true success? He examined the side, searching for a place to tie the rope. Some protrusion, perhaps, or maybe a hole in the boards. But the railing was unusually uniform in shape; there were no spaces between the boards. There was no way to get rid of this newfound burden, even temporarily.
What do you want?" he asked the other hanging below. "Just your help," the other answered. "How can I help? I cannot pull you in, and there is no place to tie the rope so that I can go and find someone to help me help you." "I know that. Just hang on; that will be enough. Tie the rope around your waist; it will be easier."
Fearing that his arms could not hold out much longer, he tied the rope around his waist. "Why did you do this?" he asked again. "Don’t you see what you have done? What possible purpose could you have in mind?" "Just remember," said the other, "my life is in your hands."
What should he do? "If I let go, all my life I will know that I let this other die. If I stay, I risk losing my momentum toward my own long-sought-after salvation. Either way, this will haunt me forever." With ironic humor he thought to die himself, instantly, to jump off the bridge while he was still holding on. "That would teach this fool." But he wanted to live and live fully. "What a choice I have to make; How shall I ever decide?"
As time went by, still no one came. The critical moment of decision was drawing near. To show his commitment to his own goals, he would have to continue on his journey now. It was already almost too late to arrive in time. But what a terrible choice to have to make!
A new thought occurred to him. While he could not pull this other up solely by his own efforts, if the other would shorten the rope from his end by curling it around his waist again and again, together, they could do it! Actually, the other could do it by himself, so long as he, standing on the bridge, kept it still and steady.
"Now listen," he shouted down. "I think I know how to save you." And he explained his plan. But the other wasn’t interested. "You mean you won’t help? But I told you I cannot pull you up myself, and I don’t think I can hang on much longer either." "You must try," the other shouted back in tears. "If you fail, I die!"
The point of decision had arrived. What should he do? "My life or this other’s?" And then a new idea. A revelation. So new, in fact, it seemed heretical, so alien was it to his traditional way of thinking.
"I want you to listen carefully," he said, "because I mean what I am about to say. I will not accept the position of choice for your life, only for my own; the position of choice for your own life I hereby give back to you."
"What do you mean?" the other asked, afraid. "I mean, simply, it’s up to you. You decide which way this ends. I will become the counterweight. You do the pulling and bring yourself up. I will even tug a little from here." He began unwinding the rope from around his waist and braced himself anew against the side.
"You cannot mean what you say!" the other shrieked. "You would not be so selfish. I am your responsibility. What could be so important that you would let someone die? Do not do this to me!"
He waited a moment. There was not change in the tension of the rope.
"I accept your choice," he said, at last, and freed his hands.
- Edwin H. Friedman
From the book "Friedman’s Fables"
Cafe Plan B link http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2182650&page=1 The ? that made recovery possible: "Which lovebuster do I do the most that hurts the worst"? The statement that signaled my personal recovery and the turning point in our marriage recovery: "I don't need to be married that badly!" If you're interested in saving your relationship, you'll work on it when it's convenient. If you're committed, you'll accept no excuses.
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Wow - KaylaAndy - thanks so much for sharing that with me. I need to read and reread that.
I didn't cancel my trip - It is still on. The only way I think I can take it is to tell WH he can take DS to see his parents for a couple of days. I have thought about this a lot and really believe it would be very good for WH and DS to do this. I will have to lay-out the time frame for WH and have him agree to have DS back home at the set time. I also will have agreed for WH to have DS call me at set times as well. Is that too much?
I am nervous about the thought of him going. But, I feel in my heart that I need to let him go.
On a bad note, I broke Plan B again. I let WH's note from last night get under my skin. So I tm him this morning "Why are u so mean to me?" He called and left a vm saying he was sorry, blah, blah, blah. Basically how he thought about us getting back together for weeks at a time and then I go and do something like taking DS out of town. That he has given up on OW. That she quit talking to him long ago. Then he said that I needed to let it go if I could. That I needed to stop talking to OWH. That he would write a note to me saying whatever I wanted him to say.
He is the one that needs to let it go.
I called and made a counseling appointment with the lady who was seeing WH and I last summer. I see her Thursday evening........I have needed to do that for a while.
Caren - if you are reading me, don't do what I do!!
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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That he would write a note to me saying whatever I wanted him to say. But will he write a note to OW/OWH?
Me-41 BS (FWS) DH-41 WS (FBS) 2DD's- 10 and 12 Married 15 years Separated for 2 years after my A Reconciled for 1 year before his A D-day for his A 8/23/05 WH moved out 9/16/05 Divorce final 1/23/07 Affair ended or month or so later My Story
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Just wondering how things are with you, Kim.
Me-41 BS (FWS) DH-41 WS (FBS) 2DD's- 10 and 12 Married 15 years Separated for 2 years after my A Reconciled for 1 year before his A D-day for his A 8/23/05 WH moved out 9/16/05 Divorce final 1/23/07 Affair ended or month or so later My Story
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Hey -
My computer is dead AGAIN. It just freaked out when I tried to reinstall my McAffee virus program....Just popping in while I am at work.
I am doing o.k. - Had a counseling session with the woman WH & I were seeing last year. Taking DS to see her next week. DS is with WH today and then tomorrow I am heading out for vacation.
WH's birthday was last week - gave him a few simple things from me and DS and a simple card. He left a voice mail thanking me and telling me it was "sweet".
I am looking forward to my vacation. Hopefully I will get my computer fixed....
Take Care!
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Just saying hello again - still without a computer - am at the library right now. I am going to see if my neighbor's H will work on my computer this weekend.
Had a great vacation. Very nice. Problems with the house alarm while I was out & ended up having to talk to WH. He wanted to know if we could talk soon. I said "So then you are ready?" He said "Yes." I asked if he was ready to meet my conditions - He said No & gave his lame reasons why. So I changed the subject, told him I was on my vacation and needed to take care of the alarm people.
Took DS to the counselor today - have a follow up visit with her next week for her assessment.
My time is running out on this computer....hope to have my working soon!
Miss reading up on all of you and miss knowing how you are all doing!!!!!
Take care all!
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Problems with the house alarm while I was out & ended up having to talk to WH. He wanted to know if we could talk soon. I said "So then you are ready?" He said "Yes." I asked if he was ready to meet my conditions - He said No & gave his lame reasons why. In other words, he is still not ready! I would send him a note telling him to let you know when he is ready to meet your conditions! Glad you had a nice vacation, Kim! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Good to hear from you again! Is DS getting ready for back to school? My YD is going to try out the school thing this year, but OD wants to stick with the homeschooling.
I am glad to had a nice break.
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Just wondering how you and DS are doing???
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Hey to all of you who remember me.....My computer is back to life now! My neighbor fixed it for me working on it in his spare time.
Anyway, things are much the same here. WS had the nerve to ask me to "pledge" to him that I would not contact OWH.
I sent him a note stating that "he held the key to getting that family out of our lives. What was his plan? What was he going to do to protect me?" I've had fun referring to her as "that Other Woman" when I write him now.
That was Sunday. That immediately put a stop to any messages from him that he would stop contacting OW if I could promise to not contact OWH. He has told me he loves me in his messages, etc. but still will not send OW a NC letter.
He says that "it will only make her call him."
On another note, DS's birthday is coming up. I'm having a small party in the backyard with one of those Six Flags blow up water slides. DS is doing o.k. -- he prays daily for his Daddy to come home. It breaks my heart.
I'm doing good. I've talked with my counselor once or twice, but I don't think she is much help. I don't know, perhaps I expect her to "coach" me. She just kind of listens and then asks me what my plans are. I'm sure it is more helpful than I realize. DS visited with her too and she thinks of him as an "anxious" child. Took DS to see the pediatrician for stomach problems, but can't tell if it is from anxiety, dairy intolerance or just wanting more attention.
More later, but wanted to say hello. I can't wait to catch up with everyone.
Thanks for checking in with me!
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Hi Kim! That means he is STILL in touch with the OW! I am sorry to hear that, but there is not much you can do about that except email the OWH and let him know that you suspect they are still in the affair.
Your H is still holding out hope that he can manipulate you by dictating the terms of your Plan B.
Am so glad you are back on line!! We missed you!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Welcome back Kim. Good to see you again.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW) D-Day August 2005 Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23 Empty Nesters. Fully Recovered.
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Thanks Mel & BK - Good to be back! That means he is STILL in touch with the OW! I am sorry to hear that, but there is not much you can do about that except email the OWH and let him know that you suspect they are still in the affair. Yep, that would be a good check of whether or not they are still in contact. Supposedly, OWH tells OW and then OW calls WH. WH tells me that is the ONLY time that OW ever calls him - when I contact OWH. Hope both of you Mel & BK have been doing good!! Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Hi Kim, You're ears must've been burning. The sour guy was just asking about you. He must be in the mood for more crow. Nice to see you posting again. Welcome back...you were missed.
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Welcome back, Kim.
((((((((((((((KIM)))))))))))))
XBW DS16 & DS22 PLAN D: finalized!
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Thanks Mel & BK - Good to be back! That means he is STILL in touch with the OW! I am sorry to hear that, but there is not much you can do about that except email the OWH and let him know that you suspect they are still in the affair. Yep, that would be a good check of whether or not they are still in contact. Supposedly, OWH tells OW and then OW calls WH. WH tells me that is the ONLY time that OW ever calls him - when I contact OWH. gee, I wonder why he is taking her calls? lol <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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