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LA,
Sorry I couldn’t get back to you quicker. We spent some quality time driving all over Florida here this last weekend.
You said: [color:"blue"] This week, I didn't hear I was wrong, I heard I was bad, and it has gotten to me really deep. I was bad because of the way I post, not just for what I was saying. [/color]
I missed that? Was it on the boards? I can’t seem to find it.
Anyway LA, you are an extremely valuable person period. You have endured more through your M than the average Joe/Jane has in MB’ing.
Some of the things that you have told me have fallen like an anvil on my head, some fall like a feather. I know when each thing that you speak of affects me because the weight of truth is immense no matter what form it is when it lands on your head; be it he anvil or the feather in the end the feather sometimes weighs more.
Your experiences with PA, enablement, and navigating marital life have been instrumental in my being ok. I can say the same about several other posters that stick out in my mind as being wielders of truth.
Where did you hear this bad person thing at? It’s harping my mind to no end to learn of this.
LA, I’m at a point now in my personal recovery where I can honestly say that I come here to learn about myself, my marriage, and help other people if I can simultaneously.
I think that if I ever shut the door to any of those three at this point I would have to hang up participation in the MB forums. If I didn’t it wouldn’t be a balanced enough equation to allow me to still be sincere as a subject and as a guide to others.
I can not personally think of any one instance where you have DJ’d anyone or been babbling fogspeak to the forum in the last year.
But my biggest question to you would be: what inside of you would allow yourself to even for a second entertain the notion that in any way you were a bad person or give credence to a statement about the same?
I’m asking you to continue to be true to yourself. That’s the person that has helped me so much in the past. Where honesty makes it’s mark on the recipient of truth can sometimes leave a gapping wound. It’s theirs alone to heal though and what they needed to understand.
Best regards, Plank.
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Thank you, Plank...worth the wait...though I believe that quality time and driving all over Florida is a paradox for me...
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"I’m asking you to continue to be true to yourself."
This is the circle I went through by posting here, on your thread. Got myself back to the beginning...my intent...and I'm okay now. Until this happened, I didn't realize how often I feel an old way while living in my new way...there's overlap...it's confusing...painful...and like a truth not getting through to me, needs my attention and awareness.
I know this poster wasn't telling me I was bad when he said I DJ'd him...and now, I understand better that my fear was behind it...did I really DJ him? I told him what I saw that he did as abusive...not everything, parts. He felt picked apart...every word. This was me, a few years ago, and I believe that's why his belief came straight into me, like an arrow, and sat down. If I was like this before, and didn't know it...couldn't I be like that now, and not know it?
I took the healthy steps of asking...honestly open for others to say, "Yep. You did that." Or not. This wasn't me wanting others to chime in with supportive strokes...I believe strongly in your honesty, as well as all the others on this thread and in this forum. I believe in the honesty of the poster...and there was another poster saying I was doing it to this poster, as well. That was different.
Two poster's perceptions was new. I haven't learned to rely on my intent as much as I preach it...now I do. Even if four posters are in dissent...my intent is mine. You're right about me blurring those lines...believing because it felt one way to someone, I wasn't necessarily doing it.
And it doesn't mean my approach is wrong, either. It's mine. I believe in it because this was the way my life changed. Doesn't mean it works for others...and I forgot that the best way to get someone to shut up with their opinions is calling them abusive.
I did that.
Until I owned my own abusive ways, and then I was clear of it.
Seemed like my old abusive ways were back...from his reaction...not my intent...and until Pep and dorry and the others helped me to get clear on that...NB, especially...then I was swimming around in my hurt, not tracing it back to this belief, which you re-affirmed.
Your opinion matters to me. It was in the PA thread you referred to.
I come here for the same three reasons you do...and I'm staying here...same method...I don't change my approach for each poster because I believe I would be DJing them to do so; I am that phobic of being the old, manipulative me. For now, this is what I have to bring, my choice to bring it...maybe as I grow, I will learn another way...see a bigger picture...and maybe, this was to teach me, from so many posters' positive response, that what I say can be taken in any way, any time...not my doing. Not in my control.
Sobering...true...and just a little nudge from God to remind me that this is how I changed my life...and slipping back into believing I cause harm, do wrong, with pure intent, wakes me up again to this basic, necessary truth in my offscreen life.
I equally rely on all of you to hand me your truth, unrequested, any time. Please.
LA
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NB,
A "What are the odds?" story for you...
I told my DH about your remembering Super Balls...how closely that analogy reminded me of me...and the remembering brought out more I felt about those darn things than I knew before...
We went for a walk together Sunday, keeping a promise to ourselves...I was like a complaining kid in the July mid-day heat...and yes, we walked anyway. Turning a corner, my DH stops and says, "Super Balls" and I think of you instantly.
"What?"
He bends down and retrieves to small Super Balls from the gutter...hands one to me...and we begin to walk and bounce them...reminiscing together.
What are the odds?
Thank you for your posts...all of them.
LA
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Ah LA, what a cool story! Thanks for sharing it with me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I'm just hangin' out at my desk after work... waiting for my H... and surfin' <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />... and your story made me smile. A lot. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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To SUPER BALLS!!!
Here, here.
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Well I took a few days off over the weekend. FWW does not like me using this forum.
LA,
I did take offense to the word abusive. IMHO that word is very inflamatory and quite frankly I believe it should be avoided. Again that is my opinion.
I am trying to save my marriage not destroy it. I do appreciate your advice and your insight.
I would say that sometimes people give a quick overview of the sitch and if it seems like the person you are giving advice to is out of line you may want to ask for clarification. I know I have been wrong before in the way that I acted. That is a given.
The other thing is that sometimes it is just a real bad day for the poster. I can tell you I have been snapped back on before but I let it go.
I harbor no ill will for anyone here. Including you. We are all in a very tough position and support helps. Not blind support but support.
Just to let you the reason I was upset at you picking me apart that is what the FWW does. You did it in a constructive manner she does it as an avoidence tool. Hit a little close to home. Upset me.
One more thing. I posted an apology on two threads. LOL
BS 38 FWW 35 D Day 10/03 Recovery started 11/06 3 boys 12, 8 and a new baby
When life hands you lemons make lemonade then try to find the person life hands vodka and have a party.
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