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Thanks for the hugs <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I feel so much strong than I have in the last 2 years combined.......I finally know who I am. I am not settling for anything less that total commitment from my husband, and if he can't give that to me (I am giving him 3 months of the silent treatment...lol, I mean Plan B). At the end of that 3 months, I am going to file for a divorce. I am done wasting my time on an overgrown child.
I think he'll probably wake up and smell the coffee when he sees that my defenses are now IMPENETRABLE. I've had it. As you've noticed it takes me a long time to get to that place................but he's got me there now.
God Bless You,
-Caren
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BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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Caren,
Reaching a turning point such as you have always takes time. Our heart doesn't want to believe that is happening so it takes time to let go.
We understand. Glad to see you moving forward.
We do hope one day he will realize what he is losing. Until then, you take care of yourself and your family.
You are the only sane light of hope he has out there right now. Even if he can't see it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Hugz, L.
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Caren,
I know it is hard to reach this point ---- I found what works best for me is BEFORE reacting to any note or call from WH to wait a few hours or better yet, a day. And then I am not responding emotionally, I respond (usually....) logically??
O.k. - I'm really rooting for you to hang into the Plan B thing with me for the long-haul? O.k.? til we get what we deserve.
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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You're absolutely right Kim!!!
Went to his shop to get crickets for the toads....I kissed my step son and told him I love him very much....he said he loves me too.
When we were leaving I handed Mark the PBL and left. He said "Goodbye, be careful" I didn't respond.
I am sooooooooooooooo dead serious at this point. I'm sure he thinks this is more of the same.............and he would be wrong in that thought.
The only little pitfall I can see if my anniversay, it's August 26th...it's my 11 year. I'm sure he'll get all sentimental. I am going to make sure that I am VERY busy that day.
Love ya Kimmy and God Bless,
-Caren
P.S. I NEED AN UPDATE ON YOUR SITCH
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Well, I ran down to the gas station and I was pulling in she was pulling out, and she gave me THE dirtest look.
So I went home and called her and got her machine, I said "OW, I like to speak with you, I am not angry I would just like to have an adult coversation, if you could call me back, I'd appreciate it." And gave her my #.
I then decided maybe face to face would be better....but I drove past her house and her car wasn't there.
Well instead of calling me,she opted to call WH.
So soon after I get a call from him on my cell....which I ignored....then a text which I ignored.....then another text, which I ignored, then another phone call which I ignored. Then I sent him a TM simply stating "WH, if you don't have specific questions regarding Brooklyn or finances, do not text message me" To which he replied "FU, you do what you want, and I'll do what I want" To which I did not reply.
I then called the OW back. I said "I was attempting to have an adult conversation with you, but instead of calling me you called Mark, so I see that you are incapable of a normal conversation."
I also tried her cell.....which she had disconnected LMAO....she disconnected it because I found them out...I find that humorous.
I was not trying to start any drama, I was simply trying to have a civilized conversation...........stupid me, I should have known better.
It won't happen again.
God Bless,
-Caren
Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
BS-Me 39 WH-37 Together 15 years Married 12 years 7 kids total, His: SD20, SS18, Twin SS's 16. Mine: DD22, DD15 Ours: DD12 Affair began Fall 04, Separated Fall 04,2 Failed Plan B attempts, False recovery of sorts Spring 05.......Still pluggin' away.
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Caren -
Hey - I updated my sitch & I e-mailed you too. Don't waste your time on the OW. Just let it go and get yourself into Plan B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kim
D-Day May 14th, 2005 Married 16 Years DS age 8 6 months Plan A Plan B 10-11-05, H moved back in June 2007, Very False Recovery. 2nd Day-Day 7/7/08 Kicked WH Out. Plan B for my sanity "Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." Robert Brault
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Well, I ran down to the gas station and I was pulling in she was pulling out, and she gave me THE dirtest look.
So I went home and called her and got her machine, Caren: Try this strategy. It works for me tremendously because back in the day I used to be emotionally reactive... STOP AND THINK BEFORE YOU ACT...Take deep diaphragmic breaths ..as Pep would say... or better yet WAIT IT OUT....give yourself 24 hours before proceeding with a step in YOUR PLAN.... IMO, you are IMPULSIVE..ACTING WITHOUT THINKING... Was calling the OW part of YOUR PLAN? Did you ask yourself what the purpose of calling her would be? What positive outcome could have possibly come out of talking with her? A major purpose of PLAN B is for you to REMOVE yourself from the triangle..that means NC with her as well... I then decided maybe face to face would be better Why Caren? WHY? Think about it.. You certainly didn't expect to have a friendly conversation with her...did you ? Then I sent him a TM simply stating "WH, if you don't have specific questions regarding Brooklyn or finances, do not text message me" Caren, you broke your PLAN B...after he ignored it... Don't you see how he will now doubt your resolve about this? DON'T CONTACT HIM FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, CAREN..Well, maybe if there is an emergency regarding your daughter... Caren, NO DRAMA... THIS WAS DRAMA, CAREN... I was not trying to start any drama, I was simply trying to have a civilized conversation........... Really, Caren? Be completely honest with yourself. Caren, try to take a good, long look at this... So how can you INSURE that it does not? What changes do you need to make in yourself? I'm scratching my head here. It seems that you get on a roll and can't stop, for one thing. Also, you don't seem aware that this is drama...and that drama is a BAD THING.. There is no part of talking to the OW that could have been CIVILIZED today... I say this out of concern for you....not to hurt you. We can't see ourselves as clearly as others looking on the outside, observing what we do.... I know you are trying... TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY...BACK UP ONTO THE SADDLE.... [
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A timely metaphor for Caren The Bridge A Metaphor
There was a man who had given much thought to what he wanted from life. He had experienced many moods and trials. He had experimented with different ways of living, and he had had his share of both success and failure. At last, he had begun to see clearly where he wanted to go.
Diligently, he searched for the right opportunity. Sometimes he came close, only to be pushed away. Often the applied all of his strength and imagination, only to find the path hopelessly blocked. And then at last it came! But the opportunity would not wait. It would be made available only for a short time. If it were seen that he was not committed, the opportunity would not come again.
Eager to arrive, he started on his journey. With each step, he wanted to move faster; with each thought about his goal, his heart beat quicker; with each vision of what lay ahead, he found renewed vigor. Strength that had left it since his early youth returned, and desires, all kinds of desires, reawakened from their long-dormant positions.
Hurrying along, he came upon a bridge that crossed through the middle of a town. It had been built high above a river in order to protect it from the floods of spring.
He started across. Then he noticed someone coming from the opposite direction. As they moved closer, it seemed as though the other was coming to greet him. He could clearly see, however, that he did not know this other, who was dressed similarly except for something tied around his waist.
When they were within hailing distance, he could see that what the other had about his waist was a rope. It was wrapped around him many times and probably, if extended, would reach a length of 30 feet.
The other began to uncurl the rope, and, just as they were coming close, the stranger said, "Pardon me, would you be so kind as to hold the end a moment?"
Surprised by this politely phrased but curious request, he agreed without a thought, reached out, and took it.
"Thank you," said the other, who then added, "two hands now, and remember, hold tight." Whereupon, the other jumped off the bridge.
Quickly, the free-falling body hurtled the distance of the rope’s length, and from the bridge, the man abruptly felt the pull. Instinctively, he held tight and was almost dragged over the side. He managed to brace himself against the edge, however, and after having caught his breath looked down at the other dangling, close to oblivion.
"What are you trying to do?" he yelled. "Just hold tight," said the other "This is ridiculous," the man thought and began trying to haul the other in. He could not get the leverage, however. It was as though the weight of the other person and the length of the rope had been carefully calculated in advance so that together they created a counterweight just beyond his strength to bring the other back to safety.
"Why did you do this?" the man called out. "Remember," said the other, "if you let go, I will be lost." "But I cannot pull you up," the man cried. "I am your responsibility," said the other. "Well, I did not ask for it," the man said. "If you let go, I am lost," repeated the other.
He began to look around for help. But there was no one. How long would he have to wait? Why did this happen to befall him now, just as he was on the verge of true success? He examined the side, searching for a place to tie the rope. Some protrusion, perhaps, or maybe a hole in the boards. But the railing was unusually uniform in shape; there were no spaces between the boards. There was no way to get rid of this newfound burden, even temporarily.
What do you want?" he asked the other hanging below. "Just your help," the other answered. "How can I help? I cannot pull you in, and there is no place to tie the rope so that I can go and find someone to help me help you." "I know that. Just hang on; that will be enough. Tie the rope around your waist; it will be easier."
Fearing that his arms could not hold out much longer, he tied the rope around his waist. "Why did you do this?" he asked again. "Don’t you see what you have done? What possible purpose could you have in mind?" "Just remember," said the other, "my life is in your hands."
What should he do? "If I let go, all my life I will know that I let this other die. If I stay, I risk losing my momentum toward my own long-sought-after salvation. Either way, this will haunt me forever." With ironic humor he thought to die himself, instantly, to jump off the bridge while he was still holding on. "That would teach this fool." But he wanted to live and live fully. "What a choice I have to make; How shall I ever decide?"
As time went by, still no one came. The critical moment of decision was drawing near. To show his commitment to his own goals, he would have to continue on his journey now. It was already almost too late to arrive in time. But what a terrible choice to have to make!
A new thought occurred to him. While he could not pull this other up solely by his own efforts, if the other would shorten the rope from his end by curling it around his waist again and again, together, they could do it! Actually, the other could do it by himself, so long as he, standing on the bridge, kept it still and steady.
"Now listen," he shouted down. "I think I know how to save you." And he explained his plan. But the other wasn’t interested. "You mean you won’t help? But I told you I cannot pull you up myself, and I don’t think I can hang on much longer either." "You must try," the other shouted back in tears. "If you fail, I die!"
The point of decision had arrived. What should he do? "My life or this other’s?" And then a new idea. A revelation. So new, in fact, it seemed heretical, so alien was it to his traditional way of thinking.
"I want you to listen carefully," he said, "because I mean what I am about to say. I will not accept the position of choice for your life, only for my own; the position of choice for your own life I hereby give back to you."
"What do you mean?" the other asked, afraid. "I mean, simply, it’s up to you. You decide which way this ends. I will become the counterweight. You do the pulling and bring yourself up. I will even tug a little from here." He began unwinding the rope from around his waist and braced himself anew against the side.
"You cannot mean what you say!" the other shrieked. "You would not be so selfish. I am your responsibility. What could be so important that you would let someone die? Do not do this to me!"
He waited a moment. There was not change in the tension of the rope.
"I accept your choice," he said, at last, and freed his hands.
- Edwin H. Friedman
From the book "Friedman’s Fables"
Cafe Plan B link http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2182650&page=1 The ? that made recovery possible: "Which lovebuster do I do the most that hurts the worst"? The statement that signaled my personal recovery and the turning point in our marriage recovery: "I don't need to be married that badly!" If you're interested in saving your relationship, you'll work on it when it's convenient. If you're committed, you'll accept no excuses.
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Well I guess that I didn't know what I was going to gain by calling OW. I thought that we would be able to have a conversation. I guess that I wasn't thinking that calling her was breaking Plan B, as I as plan B-ing my husband, not her.
I was very civilized when I left both messages, I believe it's her loss.
Do you remember way back when this first began, and I was in the exposure phase? I wrote a letter to her employer? I was thinking of making a petition and taking it to church and have people sign it, stating that they didn't want those kind of morals in our community. What do you think? Is that engaging them also??? It was just in the "Thought" stage right now, but I thought it was a type of exposure.
I am QUITE upset at the position this family run candy company took on this infidelity when I wrote them about it.
So any way.....good exposure or awful idea???
I have a question, did I break Plan B both by contacting OW and by responding to that text message??? I didn't read the previous ones, I just sent mine re-stating my position. I suppose in the future I should just act as though I never received them (I sorta have to read them in case it's regarding Brooklyn) them.
I have to prepare myself for this weekend. That is when he will start to "push". He will have Brooklyn, and will wonder what I'm up to. I have plans to go out to dinner with some friends Saturday night. I haven't told my kids this becaue they would defintely tell him.
Last night when I went to get cigarettes, and drove past OW's house, I had the neighbors watch the kids. My DD14 was asleep on the couch, and WH called. He said "Where's your Mom?" She said "I don't know........I was asleep"
He will be losing his mind because he won't know where I am, what I'm doing, and who I'm doing it with.
For goodness sake the other day(Before Plan B) I ordered a pizza, and he was on the phone with me and I said let me call you back. Someone's at the door. He started in with the "WHO? WHO?" I said 'Mark, I have to go, someone is at my door........it's none of your business 'who'. I thought I'd hung the cordelss phone I was using up, layed it on the couch and proceeded to pay for my pizza. I turned around and my daughter had the phone (DD14) and was talking to him. I took the phone and he again starts drilling me about who was at the door........I said "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!" He kept harping I said "Lord you're paranoid.......I ordered a pizza. He said "Sure it's probably you're new boyfriend" I said "You're right, it's my new boyfriend the pizza GIRL. I gotta go, good bye" and hung up the phone.
God Bless,
-Caren
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Caren,
Do not misuse exposure. Signing petitions will not help your cause.
Be smart, let him stew in his curious mind. The more time he spends wondering what you are doing, the harder it will be to have an A. See your tool here? Don't wear it out.
By the way, the oW will wonder about you so lay low on contacting here. She is a bimbo remember? An ugly stinky bimbo. Don't waste your time trying to reason with a stinkin' bimbo.
Better to use your time with your family. The ow is already having to look over her shoulder because she is up to no good. She will give herself a whiplash trying to outsmart you. LOL!!! So you have the ability now to cause LB's from afar...... sit back and enjoy the show. It is a sci-fi drama. You know like that old muppet show: PIGS IN SPACE!!!! LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
L.
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Well I guess that I didn't know what I was going to gain by calling OW. I thought that we would be able to have a conversation. I guess that I wasn't thinking that calling her was breaking Plan B, as I as plan B-ing my husband, not her. This is what I was saying to you last night... ALWAYS THINK FIRST BEFORE ACTING..and then THINK SOME MORE... I was very civilized when I left both messages, I believe it's her loss. Caren, this does not make sense. You want to THINK LOGICALLY and make sense. Her loss of what? She won. She got to use your interaction with her to get attention from your WH. She is your ENEMY...stay away from her..there is NOTHING to gain from contact with her at this point. PLAN B is about YOU...developing YOU..into an independent, improved Caren... I am QUITE upset at the position this family run candy company took on this infidelity when I wrote them about it.
So any way.....good exposure or awful idea??? The key is to do MORE OF NOTHING...DOING NOTHING means NO DRAMA...This is your direction. Back later.
I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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So any way.....good exposure or awful idea???
I have a question, did I break Plan B both by contacting OW and by responding to that text message??? I didn't read the previous ones, I just sent mine re-stating my position. I suppose in the future I should just act as though I never received them (I sorta have to read them in case it's regarding Brooklyn) them. Yes. You broke Plan B. Did you read my post to you last night? PLAN B requires YOU to be DARK..out of circulation..out of the triangle..as if you did not exist in the world.. And he is to be as DARK as possible to YOU as if HE does not exist... IMO, open access to you via the text messaging is not a good idea. I'm at a loss here but it seems that there needs to be another way for him to reach you. Why should he need to reach you regularly regarding her? Are you being honest with yourself, Caren? Are you trying to maintain a link with him and her and the triangle? Last night when I went to get cigarettes, and drove past OW's house Try to find a different route...REMEMBER..OUT OF THE TRIANGLE..A NEW LIFE!!!! have plans to go out to dinner with some friends Saturday night. I haven't told my kids this becaue they would defintely tell him. There would be no reason to tell your kids this anyways.... QUIETLY THINKING..STILL/CALM..and DARK...
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DARK DARK DARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've got it. As far as an alternate route.......you have no idea how small this place is. I'm bound to run into them now and again. I'll just have to act like I didn't see them.
As far as texts........he doesn't need to know about Brooklyn daily. In fact he doesn't normally text message me.
So since all my intermediary choices have decided they no longer want to be involved(since we're working on 2 years here), and they think I should have divorced him long ago. I'm left with text messages.
God Bless,
Caren
GOING TOTALLY DARK..............OVER AND OUT
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What did you plan to say to her???? I'm guessing there was no "plan". Thats what we're trying to get you to stop -- acting without a plan. Think things through before you act.
Look at this now through Marks point of view. You hand him a letter stating you want "out" of the triange, then your first action is to CALL OW. That is hardly "out" is it Caren????
Take him off your radar, take OW off too. And try to get off of his.
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Taking the kids to the water park today here in Grovetucky. My niece is paying for it. It's really a pool,but it has a really cool slide, and lots of things to do.
I am NOT sitting around this house as I have in my previous Plan B's........I getting out and doing stuff.
I called legal aide, gave 'em my cell number so if they call me when I'm at the pool they can still reach me.
I am going to ADC tommorrow to try to get some rent assistance, because although my neice gave me enough to pay the rent (for watching her child for a week while she was out of town) I sorta need to pay my utilities.
I am making a life for myself without WH, and I'm rather proud of it. I used to be a real home body.
NOT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God Bless,
-Caren
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let me speak plainly
any more DRAMA on your part
is dumb
got it?
When you lose self control & do some reactive emotional "thing" ... you join the infidels in the pig sty for some mud wrestling
you look stupid covered in mud
don't do this ever again
okey-dokey?
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Always Look For Grace Given, Even in the midst of Grace Denied.
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Taking the kids to the water park today here in Grovetucky. My niece is paying for it. It's really a pool,but it has a really cool slide, and lots of things to do.
I am NOT sitting around this house as I have in my previous Plan B's........I getting out and doing stuff.
I called legal aide, gave 'em my cell number so if they call me when I'm at the pool they can still reach me.
I am going to ADC tommorrow to try to get some rent assistance, because although my neice gave me enough to pay the rent (for watching her child for a week while she was out of town) I sorta need to pay my utilities.
I am making a life for myself without WH, and I'm rather proud of it. I used to be a real home body.
NOT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God Bless,
-Caren YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Proud of you. keep it up! - Kimmy
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Caren:
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Sending out hugs to you..
Hang in there...
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Well called ADC today, I can't get an appointment until Wednesday @ 9pm. They have switched my case workers 3 times in 4 months. So the current case worker is clueless.
Legal Aid called me back and gave me the number to call for civil matters, so I left them a message and hopefully they'll call me back tommorrow and I can get an appt. soon.
I'm going to discuss my options with the legal aide lawyer and see what my options are, I'm tempted to file on him.....he would either not know what to do, or he'd sign it....one of the two.
I think if I go with a legal separation he'll finally feel the ramifications of his actions, without going whole hog, and getting a divorce started.
I think he needs to stew in his own juices....because a legal separation is like a divorce without the finality.
What do you think?
God Bless,
-Caren
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