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Thanks for the input - you're right, I'm on the verge of exposing to GF.

What are you waiting on? The more you drag out exposure, the more it seems like an act of vindictiveness, rather than an attempt to save your M.


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I'm in real trouble here.

WW now planning to buy another house and is absolutely committed to D.

Talked to a friend today - she reckons this has been going on about 2 years. She really is in it up to her neck and I'm just thinking its now too late.

Friend reckons that she would have been with OM by now if it wasn't for the kids. His kids down South with exW, mine up in the North.

I've been Plan A ing but its just not getting through - she just so locked into this guy - won't stop contact - she tells me its over, he's just a friend and I'm obsessive.

e.g.on Saturday she came back from Portugal with kids early - Ifound she changed her flight 3 times to do this - was originally Sunday. I suggested going for tea with her and kids. She said no she was tired and wanted early night - guess what she was with him and GF all night.

I have told her that I can't be her friend while she still wants to be his "friend", I've pretty much sent her a Plan B letter but think this is just going to crash us into D.

Friend says she has no remorse at all about what she's done.

It's just an absolute tragedy - she will not open her eyes to one iota of reconcilliation. I'm just totally stuck. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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The fog lifted a little today - says she might not go for the divorce. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Won't tell me why.

Had a major discussion with her on phone before I whent to see my MC.

I shouldn't take it as a sign but it's added about a 1000 units to my Power Rangers Power Bar! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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This is what WS do. They arn;t capable of rational thought. Their entitlement occasionally rises up only to be drowned out by their screaming conscience.

Your job is to be constant : a beacon of calmness, non judgmentalism and sanity.

Reponse to her not wanting a D

"I don't want a divorce either"

not

"hooray ! I love you so much, please can we screw now?"

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Plan A your buns off, be as atrractive as you can be and help her conscience win the shouting battle.

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Not having a good day.

Feeling pretty low - ready to give up. This sucks - it's a one way struggle with no hope.

Why am I in this fight? Why am I the one that's trying to fix this when clearly she doesn't want it?


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Hey. I have an anecdote that might help.

A couple I knew in college got married had 2 boys, H's work paid for their housing et al. W was following her career.

W became WW. She moved out and shared the kids. This lasted over a year. They were separated and she was looking into buying a house when I got to talk to her (here I am, a BS talking to someone else's WS). She was supposed to sign the papers that day.

I met her for dinner. She didn't buy the house. Her and her H are working on things and found a MC that is dedicated to saving the marriage and staying objective. Their first MC only took her side even though she was a WS!

She moved back in with her H. I told her about this site (not the forum) and she agreed with me about NC without ever having to hear it from Harley.

Good luck. Some days suck, but then the sun rises and shines light upon our dark world. There is light at the end of the tunnel. In 5 years, you want to be able to look back on all this and tell yourself, your kids, and your WS that you did all you could to save the M. Regardless of what happens, at least you won't be second guessing yourself.

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Thanks Thor

Just tired of banging my head against a brick wall and nothing to show for it.

I think the time has come for Plan B - I hope I an make it.


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U R in this fight because you love your family and miss your W. However, there is a WS around you and that person does not love your family and hates you and your W.

As for plan B, you can only go there successfully if you meet the following conditions:

1. Complete your plan A improvements to your satisfactions and have implemented them as a permaent part of your life. Expect the WS to complain these are temporary changes.

2. Make sure your mind and heart are in sync even if the plan B leads to D. Remember plan B is for you to detach before you lose all your love for her. Don't wait too long t/d this but your mind and heart must be united or you may fail and give mixed messaged to a WS (which can have deadly consequences).

3. Get your support group in order and ready for plan B.

4. Secure your finances. Expect a WS backlash.

5. Get some meds if needed.

6. Work with your MC or call Jennifer C @ MB for a plan.

See when u r readhy to move forward and she is still a WS, that's when u go to plan B. If she stays as a WS for a reasonable amount of time after you initiate and solid plan B, then you w/b able to go the D route whether she is ready or not.

If you want to see how confused a WS can get.....when you go the D route, she may want to reconcile but that c/b a false recovery if she is doing it just to spite you.

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How difficult is it not to seem desperate?

I am desperate - the life I had has been torn away and every second / hour / day I just crave for it back.

I'm trying to be in Plan A but just feel I'm getting nowhere. I know Plan B is the only way I'm headed but I'm just not prepared for it - I long to see her every day and all that happens is that I get my head busted against a brick wall of negative emotion.

She says over and over again that she is no longer in relationship with OM and "I haven't come running back to you". He is now just "a friend". I've pleaded with her to end this freindship - it just isn't right after she's slept with him.

Just don't know what to do - can't find her EN's - can't find the strength to try any more.


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Seems to me that you should reread some of the advice you already got.

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I know how you feel CEG, honestly.

Hurts doesn't it ? I never knew a hurt like it. But the pain won't go away until you remove the source of it. You must pull the arrow. Lance the abscess.
Another man has taken what was promised to you. Was GIVEN what was promised to you. Awful.

Its dreadful, enfeebling, destroying CEG. You can do any one of three things in response:

1. Continue to wail and wallow in pain like MIKE did. This will remove your life from the pain, but not the pain from your life.
2. Divorce your WW while you are in pain and not thinking straight. Even God allows it for adultery HE understands how uniquely painful it is for us. But divorce doesn;t remove pain. The issues still need to be worked.
3. Be a MAN and set the benchmark for righteousness and high-mindedness in a f'ked up situation. Be a hero to draw the sting from everyone affected's lives so decisions can be made while NOT in existential pain.
CEG your wife has never needed you to be a MAN as much as she does right now. She is incapable of a healthy relationship with anyone, not you, God or OM.

Its your job to reestablish calm and a fertile environment for discussion. No-one else is capable of so doing.

I know exactly how you feel that everything is hopeless, but that is your emotional response, not fact.
You owe it to your kids, yourself, your wife and the vow you made before God to be strong and calm - a beacon of light and hope in a terrible situation.

Only then, once passions have subsided and calmness prevails can any of you make sensible decisions about your futures.
Whatever any of you decides permanently now will be regretted in future I guarantee it.

I have learned, and I truly believe that there is no higher state of grace for a man than to be what his family needs in troubled times, particularly when he doesn't feel capable of so being.

Be a knight not a serf. take control of yourself and spread your calm through all your lives. Be restrained and objectived.
In that way you can be proud even if you DON'T make recovery.

Stop the (understandable) self pity and step up to the plate. Your wife needs you to save her from herself. Are you up to the challenge CEG ?

I'm just a bloke and I managed to do this against all the indicators. And I have never been prouder of anything I've ever done in my life.

Study MB. Address your issues. Love your wife while understanding the dynamics affecting her behaviour and thought processes right now. You wil be amazed how much more positive you will feel when you are taking affirmative, brave action against your troubles.

And it starts now with being the husband your wife doesn't currently deserve and the father your kids DO deserve.

Your calm and decency will shine like a beacon against the chaos of your WWs actions, and it WILL make an impression on the good woman that is captive beneath all her fog.

Hunker down for the long run but DEAR GOD it WILL be worth it. My life is transformed now - genuinely happy from a situation where that seemed impossible. But you have to calm down against your every instinct and act up.

Stop the self pity. You're entitled to it but as Dr. Phil would say "how's THAT workin' out for ya?"
Read ALL the articles on this site. Buy "Surviving an affair". Sit at the feet of Ark, Mel, WAT, Just Learning ,Pep and the other battle scarred but proud warriors who have pulled SO MANY of us from the firestorm over the years. And have faith that you can do this.
Then start to identify people in OMs life that might apply a moral pressure on him if they knew of his affair. Also have you exposed to your wifes' family and friends yet ? Exposure is a very effective tool.

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CEG,

I was right there with you last spring. I turned it over to God. I prayed for the power to change what I could and the power to accept what I could not change. I focused on me and how I wanted to "ACT" instead of constantly being in reaction mode and allowing my then WW to control my emotions and reactions.

It was tough but know this....you will make it. One way or another you are going to be OK. You can do this...your family is counting on you to be strong. This is your life...embrace and consciously endure the bad...it makes the good times all that much better.

Try this...imagine the strongest bravest man you know...emulate him, what would he do????

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I've had to move to Plan B. Just can't seem to stop this any more.

From what I'm now hearing the A may have been going over 2 years. She tells me it's over and she hasn't "come running back". Friends tell me diffrent.

One friend even ventured that she'd fancied from when we first moved in over 10 years ago. She says she will not entertain NC - he is a friend now "why should I?"

My house has gone on the market without my consent - sorting that out with lawyer.

She says she definitely wants divorce - why can't I see that it's nothing to do with OM?

She says that there is no try, only if she is a 100% certain and she just doesn't see that "at the moment".

I've messed this up a bit, essentially did a Plan B letter a couple of weeks ago, saw some fog lift ago and couldn't maintain NC.

Essentially I've gone round today and re-iterated my feelings in a Plan B speech.

She still needs something from me, I know she does - just got to walk away.

It comes back to my original thread "How do I Know It's Over?" I've been trying for so long, putting my heart and soul into it, that I'm tired now. Tired of getting nowhere. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Was still wavering on Plan B.

Checked her e-mail and found she'd ordered basque, stocking and suspenders over the internet. She hasn't worn stockings since we got married and has fone in for seamed ones.

This totally backs up that she is sill seeing / sleeping with him.

First day of my NC is today and I hate it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Hm....can u cancel the order or route it to another address?

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I could, but I'm already on thin ice.

She was not at all happy that I had access to her e-mail and threatened me with all kinds of legal action. Truth is, her e-mail account is still a sub-account of mine, which I pay for so no leg to stand on. Problem is, logging on to site in question as her is illegal.

I have asked her for 1 month's stay of execution on the divorce, which she's agreed to. That one month is up on our anniversary!

Special note for Mr Wondering: In trying to imagine my hero it all involves them having large guns and weapons at their disposal. A pleasant enough thought.

NC still sucks.

By the way Orchid - I gave her an edited copy of Truehearts letter. She saw it, she saw it all - but only for about 10 mins. before the fog enveloped her again.

Do you think I'm right to Plan B? I'm a very emotional person and Plan A was killing me. Not only that, I was not able to keep LB's under control.


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CEG stay strong - listen to the experts her. She is using you as a doormat because you are allowing her too. Even when she is not present you are putting yourself beneath her. Man Up - take stock in that your an individual soul and have power and control over your emotions and your life. I there with you. MY WW is in the house carrying on her long distance affair with her soulmate.

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Hi all

Been lookng in on site but not really been updating.

I don't know. Perhaps I'm a text book example of how to do everything wrong!

Divorce is proceeding, house is up for sale. It's been 8 montnhs since we split up. She still sees the OM - tells me he's just a good friend. I've said to her that we can't even carry on a friendship while she is still friends with him. I just don't get it, why does she want to stay friends with him? at the cost of no friendship with me.

She keeps telling me there's no way back, too much has happened, don't feel that way (familiar?). Still says the split was nothing to do with falling in love with this guy. I didn't look after her ddn't cherish her etc. OK, I get that, I kick myself every day, but I know I've changed.

She's started calling herself "Miss" agan as well. That really hit home. Keeps saying we're separated and getting divorced and that she is now a single woman.

Says she is happy on her own and is more confident. Doesn't want a relationship with anybody and can't see herself having a relationship in the near future. Maintains she's not seeing other guys, but I know she has met some on nights out, usually 10 years younger than her.

Funny, some close friends, and even her best friend think we may get back together one day, months, years? Problem is, I can't wait years.

To be honest, I tried dating a few girls. It's sad, good looking girls, great personalities, but just can't get those feelings. Rebound, rebound, rebound.

I do wish I didn't love her anymore. It's awful when you love and trusted someone so much, and hurt so badly. Sometimes, when I think about what went on with OM I think I could never forgive her, sometimes I think I could. Her absolute apathy to work through this is probably what hurts the most.

Keep coming back to same problem. Is it definitely over for her, and I just don't get it? Should I keep trying?

It's coming up to Xmas, and I just can't face it. Just want to go away and hide fro it all. Can't do that because of the kids. She seems to think that we can get together on Xmas day with her family just like we've always done. All I have to do is put my "face straight" apparently.

Why does she not feel how I feel? Why does she not see how I feel?


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Tried speaking to WW today. Told her I coudn't change her, can only change me.

Told her that I regret it every day that I didn't take care of her as much as I should have but that wasn't justification for the affair.

She just keeps coming back saying we've been separated for 9 months and I should be getting over it. I told her that the love I have for her just won't die.

Says she won't even look at trying unless she is 100% sure; problem is that's never going to happen.

What the ****** do I do?


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Hi there - I just read over your entire thread, and I'm wondering what happened to your "Plan B"?

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""She just keeps coming back saying we've been separated for 9 months and I should be getting over it. I told her that the love I have for her just won't die."""

I´m sorry man, but she´s right.Try to move on..

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