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Good to hear some positive changes. Take care of your cold. Chicken soup and lots of hugz from your BF. Let him pamper u not u pamper him.

Part of the exercise for him to heal.

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Thank you for the update, UN...and happy bday...

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I was curious about him working away (far away) and how this is balanced within your relationship...do you communicate more during the six weeks he's away at a time, vs. when he's there?

In your internal battle...I found it helpful to go back and remember what payoff I got when I was the victim the first time; what I felt when I first resented...I found them from early on in my life...very young.

And why is time of the essence?

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well we got all moved and i'm on the mend...interesteing questions loving...bf and i communicate almost daily while he is overseas either by phone or puter...thank goodness these are within our budget or we'd not be able to talk as often (try $4/min from a land line!!)...i have found that we actually have more meaningful conversations while he is away oddly enough...not sure if that's because we have 6 kids between us...family pulling us here and there...the fact that i work and while he's home every day's a saturday for him...or if it's something else?...since he is only home for a month at a time i tend to burn the candle at both ends while he is in the u.s. (not too stable, i know!!) and i'm exhausted both physically and mentally when he leaves...i am hoping that this time will be different as we try to reconnect in a physical sense...with SA i am learning that this emotional exhaustion is often experienced by the partners and unfortunately will take a while to change since basically the entire value system of the SA has to be analyzed and revamped into healthy patterns of behavior...you see, it is the compulsions and ritualistic habits that exhaust me...questioning me over and over as to the same things...turning situations around so that i feel that i have failed...manipulation into unaccounted for time, etc....i'd be lying if i said i wasn't scared of his compulsions and rituals....they have controled him for so long and i'm not so sure they will just turn him lose because he says he wants to be...i know there is lots of work ahead but all i can focus on is ME... it is not fair for either of us to have to live under a veil of worry, doubt, and fear...i know that i am feeling "old" and worn out....i know that i have cried more in the last 2 yrs than in my entire life....BUT!!!..i still believe and i still have hope that all of this will get worked out...if it doesn't i can face the consequences...for i know them now:)....doesn't mean i hafta like it but it is growth for me:)....that is why time is of the essence....the more time that goes by the less the rituals/compulsions are and i get to rediscover the fabulous person underneath all the fluff and fantasy....maybe it will never happen...in fact 50% who try to stop SA can't because they are unwilling to work on their workshop/program at a leisurely pace...the Sexualized mind of an addict is always planning...always fantasizing how to please the partner or partners...you get the picture here!! anywho, all i can do is continue to learn these thought processes and stand by bf's side...he told me yesterday how luck he really was to have me in his life.... it felt heartfelt and sincere....still, i am tying not to get sucked in to the emotional traps anymore...he lays them sooooooooo well...lol...ok, i gotta get to bed....j


Me: 36 WBF: 35 DD18, DD6, DS5 Recent confession of SA involving "swinging" by WBF Found MB 7/14/06 Life is nothing more than a series of choices....
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You know that list of biggest human fears? Death, taxes, etc?

I put Moving at the top of mine.

Glad you're through it. (Yeah, I shuddered when I read it.)

"questioning me over and over as to the same things...turning situations around so that i feel that i have failed"

Here is where you lost your perspective that you are in charge of your own stuff--if you feel you failed, then you're feeling it...he can't make you. This is essential to really understanding...you are two separate and equal people...you only control yourself...God's design...no way around that truth...living it, however, that's conscious effort...we can believe someone can make us...feel, think, believe, etc...and you'll experience life that way.

Won't be truth, though.

"...manipulation into unaccounted for time, etc....i'd be lying if i said i wasn't scared of his compulsions and rituals"

Own your fear. You fear lies, feel attempts to manipulate with them...you feel fearful. Sounds reasonable to me.

"....they have controled him for so long and i'm not so sure they will just turn him lose because he says he wants to be"

You know this one inside...certain beliefs have controlled your life, by choice (you chose those beliefs) for a long time...how will you turn loose of them?

"...i know there is lots of work ahead but all i can focus on is ME... it is not fair for either of us to have to live under a veil of worry, doubt, and fear"

Actually, you're right. We choose to worry when we do...like praying for what you don't want...doubting is from years of self-betrayal and losing your own trust...that can be rebuilt, each hour of each day...fear isn't a choice...we have it...knowing what belief it is coming from helps a lot...and our choice remains, to not act from it.

"...i know that i am feeling "old" and worn out"

Why? Please say it is the move...

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I ask because you could be experiencing emotional fatigue by doing what you feared most...facing yourself...and there is great joy, freedom and relief in doing that...unless you aren't doing it for you, but to manipulate an outcome that will make everything better, smoother, secure.

Just thought I'd throw that into your mix. I'm mean, aren't I?

"....i know that i have cried more in the last 2 yrs than in my entire life"

Sadness tears are HEALING. They are healthy. Tears of frustration, anger, fear...those are not. Know the difference.

"....BUT!!!..i still believe and i still have hope that all of this will get worked out"

You are on the personal recovery path...you determine your own recovery...so that whether BF makes it or not, you will.

"...if it doesn't i can face the consequences...for i know them now:)....doesn't mean i hafta like it but it is growth for me:)....that is why time is of the essence....the more time that goes by the less the rituals/compulsions are and i get to rediscover the fabulous person underneath all the fluff and fantasy....maybe it will never happen...in fact 50% who try to stop SA can't because they are unwilling to work on their workshop/program at a leisurely pace"

How about that failure rate not being measured in decades...I believe they do get it more often than 50%...that "leisurely pace" is a DJ...this is terribly fear-filled territory, full of harshest pain, facing self...not to be bitten into and swallowed like a pill...won't stick that way...one of my DH's fears is that he hasn't really changed...and that fear is from the same place as all his fears...and undermines...everything.

"...the Sexualized mind of an addict is always planning...always fantasizing how to please the partner or partners...you get the picture here!!"

It is more about secrets...keeping self separate because self is rotten at its core...to remain undiscovered...to support and maintain self-image instead of self...sex is only the symptom, not the disease.

"anywho, all i can do is continue to learn these thought processes and stand by bf's side"

Oh, you're doing a LOT more than that, UN!

"...he told me yesterday how luck he really was to have me in his life.... it felt heartfelt and sincere"

Wow...I only heard that last month...nearly two years past DDay...

Can I suggest Al-Anon meetings?

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well, it's been a busy few days....busy trying to create some order in this house, working nites, and getting over being sick...throat and ear still hurting but i can swallow:)...bf and i have had several good conversations over the last few days....very calm...very loving and kind...reciprocal interaction...positive....i have been reading his needs her needs...awesome book:)...i have gained so much insight from it...i know bf's emotional needs list inside out....well assuming he has ordered them in the true correct order:)...with SA there is the issue of emotional immaturity and i suspect that he is still coping as a 6 to 7 yr old emotionally....sometimes he is very mature (apologizing for placing me in this posiiton...you should know, i told him it i was my choice to be here...to love...to heal:)) and other times he is flying off the handle calling me names and thinking i can read his mind...the immature thinking i can accept...the name calling and disrespect i can't:(...it is one thing to say i want help and to get it...quite another to remain in a relationship where i feel attacked and threatened...especially after all i have already been through!!....

quite a few reasons i am tired...i had major surgery in february...working full time nites in a busy hospital....critical care unit (reads stressful)...the ups and downs with bf (extreme fights, etc)...recently, the trauma of finding out (can you believe it's only been a month?!?!), being sick, the move....honestly, i feel like the stuffing has been completely knocked out of me...down but not out!....and i maintain: this is a year of change:)..

i am very much so doing this for me ....for my kids....my life...my sanity:)...not trying to manipulate any outcomes...it is the uncertainty of the outcomes that i have to try not to focus on...this is for me...my health... my healing....no one else...me:)

"one of my DH's fears is that he hasn't really changed...and that fear is from the same place as all his fears...and undermines...everything"...i understand...i see that insecure lil boy in everything bf says or does now...i can't relate and it is so very frustrating!!...insecurity and lonliness palpable right under the surface...not sure he can put his finger on it just yet or even see it but i can...very frustrating indeed....

"is more about secrets...keeping self separate because self is rotten at its core...to remain undiscovered...to support and maintain self-image instead of self...sex is only the symptom, not the disease."...how do you deal with this?... the lashing out in anger?...the discoveries of secrets (dr. H says no secrets!!)...how do you help build self esteem or can you even?...do i simply love through this and in the end become so depleted in my own love bank that i have to walk away?...this is a big muscular "manly" man- so hard for me to understand the self he sees....i just keep reading and rereading rn and mb stuff in hopes i can continue to work through this maturely and in understanding...

my needs...my choices....everything is becoming very clear to me...what i accept...what i can't...what i want...what i don't...goals....objectively evaluating my life....this is progress....this is healthy:)

"...he told me yesterday how luck he really was to have me in his life.... it felt heartfelt and sincere"--and he called me a f**king b***ch who was ungrateful last nite... you can surely see how my love bank is at an all time low?!?!?!....this has been the pattern...extreme ups and downs...exhausting!!...i know!!...my choice to stay in it... i know:)

anywho, i can see whay dr H is such a sought after marriage counselor...his book is straight forward and easy to read and understand...kinda makes you feel like "duh?!?! whatever was i thinking?"...i still want to go to mb weekend in oct but haven't found the right time to ask bf....

ok, unpacking and kids beckon...J


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well, some progress has been made... in the house:)...and with bf....he did apologize for recent unpleasantness and we were able to talk through the issues that caused said unpleasantness...i told him my love bank was low and suggested a few ways he could make some deposits ....trying not to LB myself....he blew up the other day and i very calmly said ok, love you and let him go...was very effective:)....also very calmly explained my fears as he will be home in about 7 days...he was very understanding and accepting of my fears and concerns....

we are planning a 2 day/nite get away in a cabin for reconnection...i have lots of ?'s about ways for me not to trigger SA but this probably isn't the place for that....honestly, wish there was a woman i could talk to about some of these matters....if you know of anyone please leave me a screen name or email...these are very private and personal ?'s....


am clearing up some things from my own past... father was an alcoholic...left mom for a bartender from the wrong side of the tracks....mom's resultant suicide attempt and bar hopping....finally moving us over 300 miles away from father....an uncle trying to molest me....all things i thought i had dealt with but the memories are still very real to me....nevertheless, i know it is ultimately my choice to be happy or not...to harbor hate or forgive and make a life for myself and my children...


am still reading "his needs her needs"....working on rn partner's workshop....and reading "out of the shadows"....arming myself so to speak:)...this is war!!!...i love my bf and my life and if it should all come to an end i will rest assured that i gave over and beyond that which is reasonable and expected:)...lots going on but somehow i am still standing....

dinner and boxes beckon, j


Me: 36 WBF: 35 DD18, DD6, DS5 Recent confession of SA involving "swinging" by WBF Found MB 7/14/06 Life is nothing more than a series of choices....
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