I think rather it was "important" for dramatic purposes, rather than purposes of honest discussion. It simply is not true that "the think" [aka group consensus in this context] is "that they can never be forgiven" and mischaracterizing that as a group consensus is misleading and unproductive. I hope you can see that now.

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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that's gonna sting

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eh?

Mel, I didn't know that justjilly's husband has not repented???
I thought justjilly said he was VERY REMORSEFUL.

And yes, I believe even second marriages, especially those with young children, should be saved if at all possible IF the unfaithful spouse is truly sorry and repentant and desires to be a good parent.[/i]
Again, just my opinion, others probably think differently and that's perfectly ok.

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I respond with the very same question: "What does that have to do with this man's repentance? Or lack thereof?"

MEL, YOU DID IT AGAIN, YOU MISQUOTED ME AS SAYING "THEY CAN NEVER BE FORGIVEN", I DID NOT SAY THAT, YOU TOOK IT OUT OF CONTEXT AND THAT IS WRONG TO DO AND COMPLETELY CHANGES WHAT I SAID TO LEAVE THE SECOND PART OFF.

I said:

"I know the 'think' here is that if someone marries a person they had an affair with, that they can never be forgiven, even if they have children together, because they are with that person so their 'adultery' continues. That the only way to repent is to get a divorce. (That is not my thinking but some believe that.)"

Now I am getting away from this computer and joining
SHADEN outside for some fresh air and sunshine!

Remorseful for what? His affair with JJ? It was my understanding that she was here because he was having another affair, so how is that repentance?

Read your own quote, dear, nothing was taken out of context. Your exact words were: ""I know the 'think' here is that if someone marries a person they had an affair with, that they can never be forgiven,"

THAT is how you MIScharacterized the positions of OTHERS here in an attempt to create some high drama.

Do you read what you post, IWRA?

Mel, the part after the word BECAUSE is the entire reasoning for the paragraph of why some think people in affair marriages cannot be forgiven, with the ALL IMPORTANT part that I do not agree.

When you leave that off, when you quote just part of my paragraph; it sounds like I think someone can't be forgiven and I don't and have never believed that for a single second.

IWRA, no one ever said you "believed" that. You don't seem to be GETTING what we are saying. No one ever said you believed that, but that you were mischaracterizing the positions of others for dramatic purposes by saying THEY believed that. You were not quoted out of context, you simply are not comprehending what we are saying.

Do you understand NOW?

ML,
If you read IWRA's quote...from beginning to end, I do think you took what you posted out of context. Her last sentence of the quote ties it together: That the only way to repent is to get a divorce.

That is the "think". The "think" I get over and over on this thread by some posters is that forgiveness can only happen if she divorces her husband. The "think" I read over and over here is that her repentance is only PROVED by divorcing her husband.

I believe many feel that forgivenes CAN happen, but many posters are putting the condition of showing her repentance by divorcing her husband.

I don't think that is "the think"

because I don't think that think

..... depends on what the definition of is is

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2B, no. She thinks that we are saying SHE believes there is no forgiveness without divorce, which is not what we are saying at all. There are a small handful who might believe that D is the only answer [and that might be the answer], but it is by no means "THE THINK" as she has MIScharacterized it. That is a MISCHARACTERIZATION that only dramatizes the issue and does nothing to further the discussion.

how many?

not how many are trying to work that out ... but how mny have stated that is their final position?

Pep

PS .... name names

Well, just as long as MB members don't think I think that 'think', then ok.

Here are two of the examples you are requesting, Pep.

Big Kahuna even started his own thread about this.
Here is HIS quote, first post of his thread:

"I don't believe that God sanctions an affair marriage. I do not believe he considers it to be a marriage. If an adulteror in an affair repents, that would necessarily mean divorcing IMO. Otherwise where is the turning from sin? Anything else seems like a get out of jail free card to me. If 2 people can legitimise an affair by marrying where are we. "

Mr. Wondering's quote from the first post of this thread regarding Just Jilly:

" She is an example of one ”trapped in shame”…..she can’t go back to her God-given husband, she needs to end her adulterous affair marriage and really can’t marry again (except to her original husband) pursuant to my religious beliefs."

(I forgot to add this quote earlier.)

I see alot of musings about different solutions, and a couple have suggested that divorce might be the answer, [it might be] but it is by no means "the think" on this forum.

Painting everyone with a broad brush gets us nowhere, and it especially is not an intelligent response to those few who have suggested divorce. I don't know if that is the right or wrong answer, but dismissing that solution out of hand is NOT a convincing argument.

OK...let me back up for a minute...even if it's NOT their final position and they are trying to work that out, many "think" that. And, maybe they are trying to work that out.

ps...I'm not going to go back and count. That is silly. I just know I have read it. It may not be your position. It's certainly not mine. But there is that position on this thread.

ok, there is ONE such opinion. However, ONE OPINION does not a group concensus make.["the think"] If you disagree with his opinion, it is up to YOU to make your case. Just condemning the opinion out of hand won't serve that purpose.