FH... Jilly...MM... if you can find no practical reason to stop addressing ANY affair M on these boards...
MEDC - are we back to Disrespectful Judgments again? Where have you seen that I have advocated for, or unilaterally decided to, help
ANY, as you choose to put it, "affair marriage?" To my knowledge, JJ is the only person in some 5 years of posting on MB that I have attempted to help that falls into your "untouchable" category. I HAVE helped several people who are not in their 1st marriages, but you still have failed to address helping anyone in an "adultery marrriage."
perhaps here is one that should stop you dead in your tracks...
YOUR actions today... and everyday that this continues...gives offense to other Christians that have asked you to stop your behavior... and yet here you are still defending the indefensible.... willingly continuing a behavior that is harmful to other Christians.
Interesting. I wonder who gave you the authority to decide what and when something is "indefensible?"
Let's look at the "other foot" for a minute and examine your "shoe" in the same light you propose.
You, and others, have been asked to stop attacking and hounding a fellow believer who is new to the faith and struggling to learn about many issues related to living for, and walking with, Christ. You, and the others, consider yourselves to be "strong in the faith," yet you exhibit steadfast refusal to address the biblical principle of Forgiveness of All Sin by God when someone has accepted Jesus Christ. You all decide who is, and who is not, worthy of any help on any forum and magnanimously "offer" to banish her to a "leper colony" where no one has to see her or be "offended" by her presence, even though she, like you, is an adopted child of God, with all that implies about the "sinfulness" of her life.
And YOU accuse me of putting a "stumbling block" in the way of "fellow believers?"
As Mrs. W put it, "we have opposing viewpoints and interpretations, so let's leave it at that. Seems we are stumbling over yet another opposing viewpoint.
Where, by the way, exactly do you see a "stumbling block" that might cause you to lose your faith?
Please tell me MM, FH or JJ... what harm is done JJ if she has to take her issues to another place???
Well let's see. How about censorship? How about a group of members getting together and deciding, by whatever fear or criteria they choose to use, that anyone is NOT ALLOWED to post on a public forum that is owned and operated by someone else who DOES have the authority to decide who is allowed membership and posting rights, as long as they abide by the Rules of the System?
You place "potentially offensive" to others as your criteria? How about listing all the "potentially offensive situations, marriage types, subjects, etc. that you want to include in your "Ban 'em" from public sight list?
What harm is done if she is to leave these boards and you guys set up a method to communicate outside of MB (which has been suggested to you in the past)?
The harm is that you and your compatriots have set yourselves up as the "ruling body" that will decide who can and cannot post on MB, usurping that role from the Owners, Administrators, and Moderators. You open the door to the "slippery slope" of blacklisting and censorship, to say nothing of "mob rule" mentality, rather than each member deciding for themselves who they wish to post to and potentially help. If you find someone or some topic "offensive" to you, don't go there. But who on earth set you up as the "acceptability police?"
For the record, I have no problem helping JJ anywhere, at any time. The usual way I try to help folks who might want to keep some conversation off of MB is via email. I've done that many times in the past and still do. That is NOT an option with JJ as she is abiding by the MB "rule" of no private "opposite sex" communications. Instead, she comes here (where she is allowed by the system to come) and risks your wrath at her mere presence.
Personally, I have no problem helping JJ with her spiritual questions anywhere, on any site or forum. I've stated that before and I stated that to JJ earlier on. But it is her choice and right to post on TWO whole threads, exclusively, on the WHOLE site of MB. She does not ask for you to read, write, or participate. How many times over the years have I been told to "get off a thread" because people didn't want me to talk about MY beliefs and convictions concerning Jesus Christ and/or fundamental Christian doctrine and beliefs? The latest was just last January, in case you can't think of any. I "offended" them, so they told me to leave, which I did. Nevermind that THEY were equally offensive to me. Where, MEDC, do you draw the line in "being offended" as the determinant that someone can't even BE or POST on MB?
Please show the harm that is done.
I believe I answered that question above, but let me expand it a little for your benefit to try to give an even fuller answer.
"For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold,
all things have become new.
Now all things are of God, who
has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation." (2Cor.5:14-19 NKJV, emphasis added)
"Him God has exhalted to His right hand,
to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are His witnessess to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him." (Acts 5:31-32 NKJV)
It is God who gives a repentant heart. Since that seems to be one of the "sticking points" with some, perhaps we should examine just what Repentance is from a godly perspective. I'm willing to do so if anyone is sincerely interested in discussing what Repentance is and is not as part of this "abiding affair marriage" moniker that is being used to deny JJ the right to post and to blast anyone who might "dare" to respond to her with anything other than "you're not welcome here!"
