FH

You are an arch twister of words: a monomaniac who is comfortable only in the discussion of dry doctrine , skilled in replying to even the most secular question only in dry doctrinal words.

FH get this into your head : mine is NOT a Christian or doctrinal issue. Only YOU could POSSIBLY have read my post as being a desire to make it so.

Almost nobody wants to discuss doctrine and scripture with you, not because you are such an unassailable master of scripture, but because you are such a monomanic dogmatist who will ignore any words he doesn't want to answer and slam down the same replies time after time after time.

You will NOT brook any thought that there may be great, saved Chrstian scholars who disagree with the one possible concordance of scripture that you cleve so desperately to.

So FH what answer could I POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY give you to your questions that would satisfy you ?

You filibuster so diligently with EVERY response, while casually leaving your humanity at the door of the temple.

You admitted OPENLY that you would counsel a rapist in a sanctuary for rape victims such is your lack of mortal compassion. And you do not see this as monstrous !

I believe this thread has become a issue in your mind where you believe that you are publicly suffering for your scriptural adherence - you - a BS - counselling an affair marriage WS/OW :I actually believ it is the literary equivalent of you not washng your face, and not putting oil on your head when you fast so EVERYONE can see how very "holy" you are.

Do you tell your customers, when selling insurance, that such is unscriptural and they should instead rely on God alone for security ? No? well perhaps there IS a spark of humanity within your bible-robot chest.

I state once again : this is a HUMAN COMPASSION issue, not a scriptural one.

I actually DO NOT CARE if Jilly is forgiven or whatever. That is between her and God.

I DO care that you and her other supporters persist in discussing this in the faces of vulnerable people - supporting the needs of the one over the needs of the many.

You are BLIND to the "Christians" and secularists you may be hurting by your public support of affair marriages and can only see what a "martyr" you are by being slated for fighting this wayward's corner so inappropriately.

Your pride will not under any circumstances allow you to have this support moved to a quieter and less potentially hurtful place, so I must remain here too and state my case for compassion as I see it.

I KNOW you have scoured my words here only for scriptural traps I have fallen into and will casually ignore my calls on your humanity because that is what you always do. You will continue making this an issue of scriptural unforgiveness.

I will continue to ask that this poor girl gets the help she wants in a place that does not cause vulnerable "little ones to stumble".

No, but people are trying to impose their will on her as to where she posts. Do you have that right?

No, it is not democracy here on MB. But Bob said there were some here that were "undemocratically imposing their will" to allow Jilly to continue posting.

What shall we do? This is a dead-end road we are on here.

Mel,

A couple of questions for you.

First one... How long were you married to you XH? What were the circumstances of that A? LTA.. EA, PA... How did you discover it? Did you do exposure there? Plan A or B? Did you try to save that M or did you go straight to Plan D? Had you found MB when you discovered this A?Did your XH marry the OW in this first marriage?

Second question... How long have you been married to your second husband? Did this H also cheat on you? EA, PA, LTA... In your signature line it says that you are happily recovered so I am thinking by that line that second H also cheated on you? How long did this A go on? How did you discover this A? Had you already found MB when your were still with first H or did you find it after second H cheated on you? How did you recover this M?

Thirdly... You have stated on MB many times that you are a recovered alcoholic. If I read correctly... you were an alcoholic for 20 years... is that correct? What was the bottom for you... since you post that you are a recovered alcoholic I am curious as to how you ended your addiction to alcohol... inhouse rehab. treamtment facility? 12 step program? Both? How old were you when you started drinking? How did you become an alcoholic? How old were you when you stopped drinking... how many years have you had sobriety? Were either of your parents alcoholics? What made you decide to stop drinking?


Next... do you have any children from either marriage? If so how old are they?

Lastly... on many threads you call WW prostitutes... ho's skanks, etc. I have also then seen you make an apology to actual prostitutes (the ones that do it for a living and get PAID for it.) Do you believe that any woman who has sex with someone she isn't married to is a prostitute? If this is your belief does it apply to woman only or also men? If a man has had sex with any woman who he was not married to, does that make him a prostitute too?

If your belief is that anyone who has sex outside the marriage covenant is in fact a prostitute... as in premarital sex (where no indfidelity is present... strictly those who had sex prior to marriage) then if and when they got married... do they stop being prostitutes then?

Have you ever had sex with someone you were not married to? Did you have sex with anyone before you married XH or him before you were married? After that marriage ended did you have sex with anyone before marrying your current H... or him before you were married? I am asking you Mel... not assuming anything here.

You have stated that your mama told you, "Mel never put out for free." Did your mama tell you this based on Christian principles? If you grew up in a Christian home did your priest, rabi, minister, pastor, preach this belief that anyone who has sex outside of the marriage covenant was or is a prostitute? I am trying to get to clarity on this belief. I am not saying your belief is wrong if this is in fact your belief. I am just trying to understand it.

I was raised in the Seventh Day Adventist church and I was taught that sex before or outside of a marriage was a sin. I believe it is a sin... but I have not heard it in any church I have ever attended that anyone who does this is a prostitute.

To all male BS... if you had sex with your wife before M, did you consider your wife to be a prostitute before you were married? Did you consider yourself one? When your wife committed adultery did you believe your wife was a prostitute?

To female BS... if you had sex with your H before you were married did you consider yourself a prostitute? When your WH was actively involved in an A did you believe your H was a prostitute?

To FWS... did you have sex with your H or W prior to your M and if you did, did you consider yourself to be a prostitute? When you committed adultery... did you consider your behavior adultery or prostitution?

Yes NOW, I do have the right to voice my opinions about where I think she should post...And as Jilly has proven, she also has the right to post here...Are we at a draw? Perhaps, but I'm not giving up...I see too much potential damage in her posting here on GQII...

Mrs. W

justJilly, this is all just a thinly veiled diversion from the real issue at hand, which is your presence on this board. This is not about me.

Many have asked you kindly to take it elsewhere because it is painful to envision the OW or OM, in their own case, being helped on this forum in a future affair marriage with their own spouse. Why would you not just have a little compassion and understanding for those folks and take this elsewhere? This has been going on for almost a YEAR now and you can clearly see the dissension caused by your presence. Why would you continue with this?

If you truly "wanted help" why wouldn't you just move this to a PRIVATE place where folks like lovinganyway, foreverhers and Mortarman could help you without interruption? That would achieve your goal without bothering others. Or is it your GOAL to bother others?

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justjilly wrote:
NO.

I didn't say you don't have a right to voice your opinions....it isn't what I asked.

I asked if you have a right to IMPOSE your will in this matter.

If you won't stop objecting, isn't that what you are in effect trying to do?

It sounds like you won't stop objecting until she stops posting here. Is that accurate?

The only people who can "impose" their will on this forum are the MODS. MrsW does not have that power and has not claimed such.

There is a "divorced/divorcing" forum....that's scary. It's almost as thought this forum concedes to the fact that divorce can and does happen.

Also a pregnancy/OC forum.

What good is this website, anyway????

??

Does FH or MM have this power? Have they claimed as much, that they are trying ti IMPOSE their beliefs on others? No.

Good for them..

I remember a time when people were trying to get Idiotville off the boards, or at least "toned down"....because certain people found it "offensive".

This is no different.

So your answer is to shut down the objecters to Justjilly's affair marriage thread? huh? Doesn't that make you guilty of the very thing you are objecting to?

Also, I don't think I would want to equate idiotville with an offensive affair marriage. I can see why someone would be very offended by an affair marriage.

Yes, they are...why else would there be an argument going on about whether her marriage is legitimate or not? That's the WHOLE REASON for the uproar.

Why yes, it does! I guess we are a lot more alike than I thought!

NOW, if she truly wanted help, she would take it private and get all the help she wants. WITHOUT INTERFERENCE. Its clear that is not her goal.

I think she's probably learning a LOT more this way.

Perhaps how best to stir up dissension on a board of affair victims. She seems to have that lesson down pat. And enjoys it thoroughly.

I would say we are ALL guilty of that. Maybe, we are even the ones who TAUGHT her that.