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Hello Marshmallow... Just read your thread.... Please stay strong and avoid any contact with the OM. The emotional agony that BH experiencing can not be truly appreciated by a WW... but as you've read my thread I'm sure you understand the depths of pain that exists. The most sound and decent thing to do is have the strength and integrity to stick it out. If you are finding yourself longing to speak to OM, then maybe you need some anti-depressants... they can do wonders with the chemical imbalances that often accompany an affair and withdrawal... Moving forward, Marshmallow, your husband needs you now more than ever before. I wish someone could tell my WW the things I'm telling you now... YOU HAVE the most incredible opportunity ahead of you to find a place in your marriage that is greater than it's ever been.... don't forsake it... stay strong.... the OM offers you and your marriage nothing substantive, long term.... your happiness five years from now will likely reflect your strength over the next five weeks. I am rooting for you, just as I root for all WW to come clean and stay straight to recover and find a great place in M. I will check in again.... Wishing you the very best as you recover from your affair. Sincerely, Heartsore
BH = Me 38; WW = 35; DS = 5, DD = 3, DD = 14 mo. Feb 2006 = EA/PA started May 19 & Aug. 15, 2006 = D-Days Nov. 3, 2006 = Divorce Papers - (EA/PA ongoing)
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MM, I had no emotional attachment to the OM when I bumped into him again so there was nothing to "get over" or withdraw from.
It really can happen you know. Don't fall into the trap of not WANTING to let go. People who are grief stricken do that. I know you think that he'll be in your mind forever and part of you hates the thought that one day he just won't matter.
Believe me, when it reaches that stage, he won't matter and you won't care that he doesn't matter. It is extremely liberating.
Someone mentioned ADs. They can be very helpful.
I am concerned about your H's feelings and so should you be. Concentrate on him and how you can make things better for him.
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Marshmallow,
I'm a FWW who had an EA too. Please read the "Withdrawal guide" in my signature line (just click on the link) for additional help and insight into this process you're currently going through.
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MM its good to see you trying to fight the good fight.
i am glad that you are at least trying to make it happen.
Your BH wont be able to put into words what your action have caused him.
for me i know that i lost approx 20 lbs and now may need to go to the hospital. This is because i think every night of losing what is most precious to me ...........my family.
you are thinking a bit too much about yourself. and not about losing your family.
you have to FIGHT THIS.
You can do this.
please for the sake of all that is true and right, fight this.......you will become so much of a stronger and better character.
I respect you for making this your fight.
God be with you.
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Hi MM -
You wrote:"Stupid question: Why did you continue contact w/ the other man? Were you hoping to reconnect w/ him again?" There is no such thing as a stupid question, but I might give a stupid answer. LOL. I really believe I was addicted to the endorphin high. Also, I think I was trying to fool myself into believing we could be "friends" in order to make the entire fiasco not seem so despicable, which is typical foggy thinking.
"Could you tell me what some of the possitive changes are that you see now in your marriage?" Both of us realized that God was our main resource, and turned to Him for healing and direction. We also believed our M could not survive without counseling. We did MC with our pastor (as well as a secular MC). We read HNHN, filled out the questionnaires, and made a point of changing how we communicate.
It has taken every minute of the past four years to change as much as we have (and we're still changing), but we treat each other better than we did for the 26 years before my A! We've been M 30 years now. I don't feel like we're on a rollercoaster anymore - it's more like a merry-go-round that sometimes goes too fast or too slow. LOL.
When my H and I are with our grown kids, enjoying their company, and especially when I am playing with my grandson, I am in awe of what God has restored to me. I left my family for FOM! It occurred to me a few years ago that what I really deserved was to be stuck with FOM for the rest of my life. When I think of what I did, I get sick, and am just so thankful to be with my family.
By the way, during the first couple years after d-day, I also went to secular IC (and a group for people with anxiety disorders for a few months), as I had come all the way completely unglued. I went on meds, which helped me through the depression and anxiety. I read my Bible, Christian and secular self-help books, got involved in our church, surrounded myself with Godly Christian women, made a point to eat right and exercise, and made career goals for myself. I had been a SAHM for many years, but I finally finished my B.A. and am getting certified to teach high school. I am so blessed, and feel better than I ever have in my whole life.
Of course, there are still blue days, and times when H and I struggle to get along, but for the most part I am encouraged by the way our M is now.
Keep striving to do better. Hang in there! God bless, Rose
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Sorry if i wasnt so encouraging. The thing is that i really admire that your openess and willingness to fight your fog.
maybe i am a bit put off by the intensity of your desire to actually contact the OM, knowing what it will do to your H if he ever found out.
One day you are going to look back on all this and laugh inwardly knowing this has made you so much wiser and probably be able to help other women to go through the same things you are now going through.
God is not finished with you as yet. You, should you choose to stay the course, will be a masterpeice to him. To bring him glory.
Go love your husband. I am glad he has you. A woman who is real and full of noble conviction. even if you feel weak now, i know that you will do the right thing.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts online.
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MM is it possible to read my post and tell me if my WW might be suffering from withdrawal? or Ms.Rob or anybody? lol
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HI all, I only post at work, so weekends I'm not around (and holidays).
MM- it is so hard because you're thinking about all the things that "could have been." What if you're making a mistake by staying with your husband? What if OM is the love of your life and you're giving that up? What if you'll never recover your marriage? It's all a fantasy. It's all those endorphins like (I think- I read fast, lol) Rose said. IT'S NOT REAL!!!!! And that's hard to process. If you want to save your marriage and your family, and you do or you wouldn't be here, right? Then you have to just do whatever it takes. IT's hardest the first month or so. I still look for cars like his (remember, I never even met this guy....so it will be harder for you....just keep that in mind...). But do remember your BH and what he would feel. For once in this mess be unselfish- I say this because I really think an affair is above all a selfish act. So think of someone else- your BH.THink how you would feel if you were he.
Yes, 007, I think she's going through withdrawls. You will do no one any good if you are in the hospital. Remember, part of plan A is to TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!! So no matter which way this goes- and it will go the way you want it, I believe- but no matter what you will be a better person. Stop focusing on your WW. Really. You're just stressing yourself out. So plan A like crazy, especially the part where you take care of yourself. Take my advice, it's good. LOL!!!!
Me FWW 36
BH 50
D-day 1 2/18/06
D-day 2 3/28/06 (same EA)
NC 3/28/06 and going strong
7 total children
Mine/ours live with us
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DD 12
DD 21 months
"With all it's shams, lies, and broken dreams, life is still wonderful. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."
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MM how you do today? update!
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Thanks Ms. Rob. Although this morning the man called her on the cell ahile i was in the car.
I think i will make it. Hurt like ****** though.
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Marshmallow, Something that helped me get over thoughts of my husbands affair was an article I read by a psychologist who specializes in trauma memory management. He explained that we have much control over our moods because we can control the things we choose to think about. I know that there are times we get triggered-a special song, TV show-whatever-might make you think of the OM. But it takes about 90 seconds once you start thinking about things for the emotions to follow. The trick is to "change your file" before the feelings follow. Somehow you have to force yourself to think of other things, so that the emotions don't have time to take hold. I'm sure remembering the OM brings about many happy feelings, but if you force your mind to think of other things, you can avoid some of the agony you are experiencing now. Thank you so much, Startingover, for your excellent advice. I appreciate your reaching out to me a WS, when you have been through so much as a BS. I know I need to work on controlling my thoughts more. I used to think controlling my tongue was the hardest thing to do. I see now the brain is.
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MM,
As a FWW, I understand how very hard it is to get these thoughts out of your head. It takes work and effort to change your thoughts. With time, these thoughts will start to fade. But, as "starting again" said, you must learn to change your thoughts. You are in control of what you do with the thoughts that come into your head. Do you want to dwell on them and continue to feel self-destruction, or do you want to push them out and dwell on "better things"?
I am assuming you are a Christian from what you have written.
2 Corinthians 10: 3-5 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
As soon as you become aware of these thoughts, physically tell yourself to stop. Take it one step further and add "Stop in Jesus name". Bring into captivity....EVERY THOUGHT....to the obedience of Christ. Immediately turn your thoughts to agreeing with the Word of God by saying scripture out loud, or by thanking God for something. James 4:8 - "Come near to God and he will come near to you." When we turn our thoughts to God and praise Him for what he has done for us, our thoughts are focused on Him. There is so much to be thankful for....start by making a list of what you are thankful for and keep that as your reminder when these "thoughts" of the OM creep in.
Here are some Scripture you might find helpful to dwell on:
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Psalms 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 51:10-11 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. 1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect.
2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
Hang in there. It does get better, but there is no quick way. As time goes on and you remain in NC and continue to re-focus your thoughts, it does get better.
Remember .... Think on things that are true......God's Word is true. Think on things that are honest.....God's Word is honest. Think on things that are just......God's Word is just. Think on things that are pure........God's Word is pure. Think on things things are lovely......God's Word is lovely. Think on things that are of good report.....God's Word is just. Think on things that are virtuous.........God's Word is full of virtue. Think on things worthy of praise.......God's Word is worthy. 2B, Thankyou so much for your post. I've been thinking and reading alot of David's Psalms of late. He loved the Lord and *think* I do as well. I question whether or not I REALLY love HIM when I have for months ignored Him and His word, so THAT is tough, but it's another thing I've got to work through. I cling to the fact that God is RICH in mercy...and that I may still find my way back to His loving arms that used to bring me much comfort. Thankyou again for your post. I appreciate it more than you know.
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Hello Marshmallow... Just read your thread.... Please stay strong and avoid any contact with the OM. The emotional agony that BH experiencing can not be truly appreciated by a WW... but as you've read my thread I'm sure you understand the depths of pain that exists. The most sound and decent thing to do is have the strength and integrity to stick it out. If you are finding yourself longing to speak to OM, then maybe you need some anti-depressants... they can do wonders with the chemical imbalances that often accompany an affair and withdrawal... Moving forward, Marshmallow, your husband needs you now more than ever before. I wish someone could tell my WW the things I'm telling you now... YOU HAVE the most incredible opportunity ahead of you to find a place in your marriage that is greater than it's ever been.... don't forsake it... stay strong.... the OM offers you and your marriage nothing substantive, long term.... your happiness five years from now will likely reflect your strength over the next five weeks. I am rooting for you, just as I root for all WW to come clean and stay straight to recover and find a great place in M. I will check in again.... Wishing you the very best as you recover from your affair. Sincerely, Heartsore Thankyou, HS, for your post. You're right I can't know the pain that a BS feels. I can imagine it, and when I read these boards, I find myself weeping for the pain that BS's feel and express here. My heart goes out to everyone here who is suffering and wanting their marriages to heal and thrive. It all helps me to see 'clearly' what is really happening. Thanks for your advice about AD's. I've got the number of a counselor, but haven't called him yet. I keep thinking I can work through all of this myself. Maybe not though. My father died a few weeks ago, so I have alot of grieving I've been doing of late.
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MM, I'm sorry for your family loss. That grieving combined with the grieving for your OM really may necessitate AD... I am on Lexapro and have found it to be extremely helpful. It takes a couple weeks to work... though.... so discuss with your DR. Good luck. You can do this and you won't ever regret doing the right thing! Nobody ever does! HS
BH = Me 38; WW = 35; DS = 5, DD = 3, DD = 14 mo. Feb 2006 = EA/PA started May 19 & Aug. 15, 2006 = D-Days Nov. 3, 2006 = Divorce Papers - (EA/PA ongoing)
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MM, I had no emotional attachment to the OM when I bumped into him again so there was nothing to "get over" or withdraw from.
It really can happen you know. Don't fall into the trap of not WANTING to let go. People who are grief stricken do that. I know you think that he'll be in your mind forever and part of you hates the thought that one day he just won't matter.
Believe me, when it reaches that stage, he won't matter and you won't care that he doesn't matter. It is extremely liberating.
Someone mentioned ADs. They can be very helpful.
I am concerned about your H's feelings and so should you be. Concentrate on him and how you can make things better for him. Thankyou,KiwiJ, for your reply. You're right, I don't want to let go. I mean a big part of me wants to let go, but I must admit there is another part that doesn't want to. Thanks for reminding me that eventually I will get over him. I need to know this. It helps.
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Marshmallow,
I'm a FWW who had an EA too. Please read the "Withdrawal guide" in my signature line (just click on the link) for additional help and insight into this process you're currently going through. Thankyou, Suzet*, I have read it so many times, I almost have it memorized.
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Hi MM -
There is no such thing as a stupid question, but I might give a stupid answer. LOL. I really believe I was addicted to the endorphin high. I belive this IS a big part of it for me too. I knew I was having a physical reactions to the OM while I was involved w/ him. I just had no idea how much I'd miss them when I left. Also, I think I was trying to fool myself into believing we could be "friends" in order to make the entire fiasco not seem so despicable, which is typical foggy thinking. I can't believe you wrote that, b/c that is one of the ways I'm thinking right now. Foggy thinking, indeed. When my H and I are with our grown kids, enjoying their company, and especially when I am playing with my grandson, I am in awe of what God has restored to me. I left my family for FOM! It occurred to me a few years ago that what I really deserved was to be stuck with FOM for the rest of my life. When I think of what I did, I get sick, and am just so thankful to be with my family.
By the way, during the first couple years after d-day, I also went to secular IC (and a group for people with anxiety disorders for a few months), as I had come all the way completely unglued. I went on meds, which helped me through the depression and anxiety. I read my Bible, Christian and secular self-help books, got involved in our church, surrounded myself with Godly Christian women, made a point to eat right and exercise, and made career goals for myself. I had been a SAHM for many years, but I finally finished my B.A. and am getting certified to teach high school. I am so blessed, and feel better than I ever have in my whole life.
Of course, there are still blue days, and times when H and I struggle to get along, but for the most part I am encouraged by the way our M is now.
Keep striving to do better. Hang in there! God bless, Rose Thankyou for the rest of your post as well. It was very encouraging. I look forward to the day when I can just put all of this behind me.
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MM- Recovery doesnt' suck, getting to recovery sucks!! You arent' there yet- get through the withdrawl.
I read what you wrote about David's psalms. Remember, David was an adulterer and committed murder as well- and the Lord still had mercy. He didn't get all he could have, but he got what he earned. You will get there. In fact, it's been about 5 months for me and I dont' have the triggers for OM that I did. I thought they'd never leave, but they did. Time does heal. In fact, I just cringe now when I think about how I "pined" for OM while in withdrawl. And I did (do) not have an understanding BH to help me through- I couldn't talk to him at all about it unless he was the one talking. But I had to respect that, it was his way- and still is his way- of dealing with it.
How is your husband doing?
Me FWW 36
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D-day 1 2/18/06
D-day 2 3/28/06 (same EA)
NC 3/28/06 and going strong
7 total children
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DD 21 months
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HI all, I only post at work, so weekends I'm not around (and holidays).
MM- it is so hard because you're thinking about all the things that "could have been." What if you're making a mistake by staying with your husband? What if OM is the love of your life and you're giving that up? What if you'll never recover your marriage? It's all a fantasy. It's all those endorphins like (I think- I read fast, lol) Rose said. IT'S NOT REAL!!!!! And that's hard to process. If you want to save your marriage and your family, and you do or you wouldn't be here, right? Then you have to just do whatever it takes. IT's hardest the first month or so. I still look for cars like his (remember, I never even met this guy....so it will be harder for you....just keep that in mind...). But do remember your BH and what he would feel. For once in this mess be unselfish- I say this because I really think an affair is above all a selfish act. So think of someone else- your BH.THink how you would feel if you were he. Thankyou, Mrs. Rob, I know you're right, those thoughts are all fantasy thoughts. In the cold hard light of day, there would be no joy in a R w/ the OM. How could there be when I imagine the look on my babies' faces as I rip apart their family and trash their world? How could I ever enjoy a relationship that broke my husband's heart? Cold water, 2x4's, a good slap across the face... are all welcome to me. I need them far more than any fantasy I concocted in my pea brain.
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MM how you do today? update! Thanks for all your posts, NC. I appreciate the encouragement I find in them very much. How am I? Pretty crummy. But, I do have moments where I've actually felt almost like my old self again. I tried a new recipe for BQ spare ribs yesterday, and everyone really enjoyed them. It made me happy to do something I used to enjoy so much...being creative w/ dinner for my family. I also started reading my younger kids Treasure Island. I haven't read anything to them in months...(Too busy screwing up.) My older kids even came in the livingroom to hear me read the book to the younger ones. THAT made me happy. Thank you for asking, NC. You continue w/ your plan of exposure. Shining the light on what they are doing will help them to see their A for what it is. Sick. You're in my prayers.
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