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IMO,
exposure is NOT a POJA issue.


Nor mine. This is the comment that threw me for a loop however. It was posted as an email response from Dr. Harley regarding this topic.


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In short, I'd tell her (OMW) what happened, (AFFAIR) but discuss it with your husband first and do it only with his enthusiastic agreement.

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One thing that delayed my exposure...

I read a good book early after DDAy which stressed to "Protect your WS" Do not tell anyone except a counsellor... until WS is in agreement to telling.

I hung onto these words thinking I was doing the right thing. The difference that I failed to connect until later...

The OM in the book was not married. The WW ended the A and told the BH after it was over, and the OM moved out of the city on his own accord. There was no OPS to worry about... so protecting was a good thing to do.

Note, this book was more of a biography, citing their experience, rather than a manual for helping... so I still consider it a good book.

Shaden

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BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
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You do realise that my H exposed fully to the OM's W about 6 months after D-day (when the A had been over nearly a year) don't you?


I thought I wrote that in English. Maybe I didn't.

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Shaden:
agreed.

So,
Simply ignore the word same and read again without.

Sorry - hard to temper and consider Every LAST word when the spirit of the longer type posting is calling. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

My point was basically saying the OPS benefits no matter the time frame (as opposed to how some have Intimated that because a certain amount of time has past that there is NO point or Benefit to telling the OPS in the present).
That has been used as an excuse or justification by more then One.

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2B, I think what I said was something like I would continue to encourage you to expose, but that I wouldn't humiliate you....and I want to make sure you remember that first part as well as the last part....because I think they're both important. I don't support the decision not to tell the OPS in your situation, especially since recontact occurred. I will continue to do my best to keep encouraging you to discuss the need for exposure with your husband until you can get his agreement.

One of the surprising things I've noticed about exposure is that many BSs fear exposure because it creates "shame" and embarrassment for them. They don't want anyone else to know that their spouse cheated on them. They think exposure is like "airing their dirty laundry" and especially men sometimes feel as though it means they're "less" of a man because they couldn't keep their wife interested. It's another part of the "vitimization" of affairs because it lowers self esteem so drastically. So I understand how your H might not approve.

Part of helping your husband to understand the need for telling the OPS....is going to be helping him see past some of those issues. It's a moral dilemma for him too....you see? Because he is unwilling to offer protection to this other spouse because of the stigma he attaches to "exposure" and the "percieved" loss in status. That is an area where you can help him grow....and not take responsibility for your actions. He's got it in his mind that only "Jerry Springer" trash goes public with anything.....and this is really a discreet effort to protect the other marriage....so continue to help him see that.

I don't know if you can convince him.....but I really want you to keep on trying. However, if you can't....then you have 2 moral dilemmas....keeping your word to your husband, and meeting your duty to protect the OPS. That creates confusion where you may feel those things cancel each other out and leave you paralyzed. But don't be paralyzed....just keep talking to your H about how this can be accomplished in a way that he doesn't lose "face".

WOW Starfish. You've nailed it here. I'm impressed.

I really do wonder why 2B's Husband refuses to protect his wife. I really do. He's like a school yard kid who draws a line in the sand and says to the other kids "Don't cross this line" (Don't contact my wife or I'll expose). The Kid (OM) crosses the line again. What does the kid then do? Draws another line. This "Well OK, but next time I'll expose for sure" needs to be fully seen for the folly it is. It's a joke. I do not understand what currency 2B's Husband gets out of not protecting his wife as well as the fact that a church worker seems to be able to sustain such an immoral choice.

Star you are right here. It is humiliating for a male BS (I know it is for female ones too). Loved your post.

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Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
Empty Nesters.
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bigkahuna,
yea,
your Right!
It is a bit perplexing.

Truly bizarre that the BS WILL contact the OM,
[once NC is Broken] ......but STILL won't Inform the OMW.
What's that about?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Indeed the OP cares LESS then Nothing for the BS,
but I'd beat $$$$$ that they CARE what their own BS thinks!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Your explanation reminds me of ANOTHER twisted occurrence that you read about on here from time to time:
That is of having NC broken and the advice given is to send "yet ANOTHER NC Letter".
I've read of people on their 6th - 7th letter.
Again,
what's that about? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Its the INTENT and execution of the letter that has the Meat .......not the physical letter itself.

Yet,
you'll still get the Advice (even from those that I believe should KNOW better) that When that boundary is crossed YET once again .....is to Send Another NC letter.
Weird! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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Mel,

Can I ask you a question?

What would you do?

Sh**bag tried to contact my wife. It has been 2 years roughly. My wife had no idea he tried. I intercepted it before she saw it. I too believe that NC letters are of no real use at this time. He could care less. He obviously did not take my threats seriously. That was a mistake he will regret!

What the he** do you do? I know where he lives and I will be in that part of the country. I really hope he has a wife or GF now. Maybe I can expose if that is the case. Outside of that, what do you do?

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Your explanation reminds me of ANOTHER twisted occurrence that you read about on here from time to time:
That is of having NC broken and the advice given is to send "yet ANOTHER NC Letter".
I've read of people on their 6th - 7th letter.
Again,
what's that about?

Its the INTENT and execution of the letter that has the Meat .......not the physical letter itself.

...or in my case, where my W was going to send a NC letter but I later found out she called him first to explain it and ease his feelings... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> that was before exposure to OMW.

Shaden


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
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Mel,

Can I ask you a question?

What would you do?

Sh**bag tried to contact my wife. It has been 2 years roughly. My wife had no idea he tried. I intercepted it before she saw it. I too believe that NC letters are of no real use at this time. He could care less. He obviously did not take my threats seriously. That was a mistake he will regret!

What the he** do you do? I know where he lives and I will be in that part of the country. I really hope he has a wife or GF now. Maybe I can expose if that is the case. Outside of that, what do you do?

Oh, I don't know BKarl. Have you personally confronted him? I would consider doing that and making sure he understands that any communication comes straight to you and ask him if you have to file a restraining order to keep him away? Do you think he is married now?


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


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I don't know if he is. Married or not. I do know where he lives. I guess I can "stalk him out" and see if there is a woman where he lives. This will stop once and for all! I guess I can out him when I find out where he works. I can let his employer know things can get ugly for them as well. We shall see.

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