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I have been married for only a year and a half..but with the woman for 6 years. We have a 4 yr old daughter that is my entire world.

About 3 weeks ago, she tells me how unhappy she is and thats it's over. Of course I want her to stay, I am in love with my wife...but she tells me that she doesn't love me like that and not sure if she ever did.

We had a similiar issue a few months before we got married and somehow I thought we had gotten past it. But here we go again... I got us all in church the last time and that seemed to help us grow closer.

We haven't been very intimate in months, and her excuse is usually that she is tired or her weight bothers her.

Upon me fishing, I found out that her ex husband is talking to her and wanting her to give it another go with him... So let me tell you the story of those two. They got married when she was 17, had 2 kids together - one who is now 11, the other is 9. They both reside with their paternal grandparents because her ex is BI-POLAR. He was abusive to her and left her for dead once... he had forced drugs on her, cheated all the time, and is a repeat felon. When she left him, he called in bomb threats to her work, and set her apartment on fire... for that one he went to prison for nearly 2 years.
He is back on his meds now, but thats something he has to stay on since he is legally crazy. She says she hasn't done anything more than just talk, but we both know how much truth can be in that. All I know is that his ex girlfriend kicked him out and now he is abck at his moms... where the kids live and where my wife goes and sees them.
She hurt her back at work last week and he ended up taking her in my car to the hospital...

Anyways, probably all similiar stories to what others have told a million times. But I came on here and posted now after reading alot of the insight on here. I feel I will get good advice here on how I should handle this... I want to go to marriage counseling, cause I feel she has some issues that she needs to resolve...could be depression and all, who knows.
The kids were coming over for the weekend, every other weekend until last month... I love those two kids like they were my own, they even tell me they wish that I was their real dad.

What can I do to save this relationship and not push her back into his arms...??? SHe has said she is leaving at the end of September since thats as long as I could talk her into staying here with my daughter... I don't want my daughter living over there like trash. She has her own room here and a home that she is proud of... she deserves better.
And I deserve better, I just love my wife so much...I want the woman I fell in love with back.

I read about the 180 method and reverse babble... and I wanted to know someone else opinion on all this.

The last thing I told her regarding the relationship was that I thought we should go to marriage counseling... she said she didnt think that was the problem. So I replied with "for me it would let me know if you truly love me or not" and I left it at that. That was about 4 days ago...

She doesn't say I love you back to me if I say it... which I have stopped saying as much. I quit rubbing her back and trying to baby her like I used to... her back alweays bothers her and it hurts me to not help her or love on her. I just have to stop so that I don't feel the rejection, cause that kills me.

I found a receipt from a paralegal where I guess she went to them and agreed to pay them like $250 dollars to do the divorce papers... she doesnt know that I know about it yet.
Nor does she know that I have a attorney on retainer in case she tries to take my daughter to liver over there... I want full custody if she does, and the attorney thinks I would win in court based on their history together and his history period.
She had taken off her rings and I found them and now have them... she knows I found them in her car, she just thinks I put them in the house somewhere.

I just want my daughter to be safe, and my family to be together.
PLEASE REPLY... THANKS


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Hi Al,

Welcome to MB. Sorry you are dealing with not only an A but potential abuse issues with her W and XH. Of course you are right to protect your child. Unfortunately you can't fully protect the WS since she has already withdrawn from the family.

For now, work with a good MC (or better yet, call Jennifer C @ MB for some phone counseling), secure your finances and child custody issues. Do a complete and current background check on the XH and the children. Use that as proof when you are filing for full custody.

In our town on the news tonight a MIL ran over her DIL and pinned her to the ground with her car! A 2 year old baby was in the car as she was hitting the baby's mother with the car. Let's add to the fact that yesterday, the baby's father was arrested for abuse to another relative. See how crazy it can get? I am not proud of the fact that it happened less than 3 miles from my home. True story!

My point is to prompt you to take immediate action. The WS does not sound stable and it is important you take action before she does. Create your personal support group and get you and your child to safety.

Then when u r safe, read up on plans A & B. Make your personal changes for your benefit and disregard her babble when she waivers between telling you what a good person you are vs what a lousy H u have been. Yep.....they babble like that....don't believe it, even the good stuff..... just step away and go hang out with sane people. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Read His Needs/ Her Needs & Surviving an Affair. These are both by Dr Harley. Then read Love must be tough by Dr James Dobson.

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She told me a couple weeks ago, how great a guy I am and that I deserve better... all that sounds like cop out excuses to me.
She knows I am in love with her... but maybe she is foggy or trying to distance herself from me, so that she feels better about what she is doing? I don't know...

I am still wearing my ring... and things are as normal at home, she cooks and does the laundry... we watch tv and go to bed... other than that nothing of any sort of progress.

Any ideas on how I should treat her now, to get her attention? Should I take off my ring... knowing that its the last thing that I really want to do???


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I am keeping the faith...but need to know what I should do...how I should act?

Should I take off my ring, will that hurt our chance at reconciling?

Confused need guidance... thanks


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Al, on Walt's thread you said:
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but I love her unconditionally

No you don't.

Purge this thought from your brain.

Romantic love is conditional. This is the core concept illustrated by Harley's love bank.

You asked about Plan A. Here's my canned explanation of how I see it:

"The way I understand Plan A, it's based on two premises that must be accepted for “garden variety” affairs:

1. The BS (betrayed spouse) cannot end the affair.

2. The affair developed, to some extent great or small, due to a poor marital environment which the BS, also to some extent great or small, contributed to.

If a BS cannot accept these two statements as givens, they will not be able to implement Plan A.

With these facts established, there is only one constructive thing a BS can do to influence the course of an affair: change the affair-friendly marital environment by eliminating the BS contributions to it.

To this end, the BS must perform an introspective search for all the things they were doing or not doing that contributed to the WS's (wayward spouse) decision to have an affair - and then eliminate those negative contributions. These may include failure to meet emotional needs or disbursing too many love busters - but is usually some combination of both.

This DOES NOT mean that the BS "caused" the affair. This DOES NOT mean that the BS can or should try to change failings of the WS.

It simply means that the BS needs to change and improve the only thing they have control over - themselves - to eliminate love busters and begin meeting as many emotional needs of the WS as they can.

Central in this is stopping all disrespectful judgements, angry outbursts, and selfish demands. This is agonizingly difficult in the face of an affair. A BS has to counter the common knee jerk reactions of demanding the WS "straighten up" and delivering ultimatums and threats. Acting in this fashion simply reinforces the WS's rationalizations to conduct the affair in the first place - because the marriage "is over" or expendable and the spouse is unreasonable, therefore the affair is justifiable.

Invariably, this course leads BSs to feel like doormats and [censored] kissers. It also conjures up thoughts of enabling the affair by not resisting it. But the better logic to apply is that the BS isn't a doormat or enabling because they're doing the only things in their power to stop the affair - it's just counterintuitive to the initial reactions. This doesn't mean that boundaries shouldn't be set and protective measures shouldn't be taken.

Let me add that Plan A is all about the BS. You do not "Plan A" your WS. It is not intended to change ANYTHING but the BS.

Remember, despite outward appearances, the WS is very likely torn between the excitement of the OP vs leaving the BS and family. They invariably wonder, “Can I have both?” When they realize the answer is no, they next wonder how long can I stall before choosing? It’s during this “stall” that demonstrating Plan A improvements is vital. Why make it easy for the WS to choose the OP by providing a less than competitive choice?

I'll end this by offering that there is one additional thing a BS can do to alter the course of the affair - but I call it "destructive" rather than "constructive" (to separate it from the one and only constructive thing, discussed above). It's to expose the affair to the light of day. But this deserves its own discussion.

OK, one more thing. The affair is very, very likely to end DESPITE what the BS does or does not do. Until it ends, there is NO chance for reconciliation. Ideally, Plan A improvements can encourage the WS to end the affair sooner because the spouse's "causes" of it are eliminated. But regardless, following Plan A prepares the BS for a successful reconciliation whenever and for whatever reason the affair ends by jump starting the process - their share of pre-existing marital problems are already confronted."

Your homework: get a copy of Surviving An Affair and His Needs/Her Needs - both by Harley and both available from the bookstore on this site or just about any on-line bookseller. Devour them.

In the meantime, continue reading on this site and forum. Ask specific questions, not general ones.

Are you still married? If so, leave your ring on. But doing so will have little bearing on whether you can reconcile. That is more apt to be determined by what you do going forward. But leaving it on symbolizes what you feel and what you want.

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I have always been loving...if she hurt I tried to rub it, but she doesnt want me sexually for some reason to make excuses for not being into it.
I am confused in what actions I should be taking... I have been making changes for a couple months before she told me the news... I help wash dishes, I even cook sometimes. I take out the trash, do all the outdoor duties, give my daughter her bath and tuck her in/read her stories and prayer.
I used to rub her back and message her feet up until she dropped the bomb on me, mainly cause she has been a bit resistant to me and saying she is fine when I know she isn't.

I guess any direction in what cahnges I can make, or things I should do would be great.
I contacted a marriage counselor at the local church I was referred to but haven't set anything up since I don't know if she is willing to even try...


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Yes I am still married, but I found a a paralegal service receipt in her car where she had gone to see about them drawing up papers... I havent confronted her with it yet, wasn't sure if I should.

I have a lawyer on retainer


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Great...now she thinks I was following her this morning...

She texted me and said "Did you have fun"?
I replied with "What do u mean"?
She said "u tell me"
I told her that I went the long way to work
and that it was just that...

see she was not far behind me and i didnt turn off where i usually do - was just gonna drive up and drop off a payment but just got caught up driving and listening to the radio... it had nothing to do with her... usually she isn't anywhere close to me when I am driving...

Now I guess she was looking for something to get me with...
and I really didnt mean anything by it.

Should I tell her I know about the PARALEGAL thing she has been doing...???? Its not like she is gonna come clean and tell me I suppose. Maybe I should have the confrontation and tell her that if her heart isnt in this that maybe she should go find herself????

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No, don't tell her you know about the legal thing.

Keep it in your hip packet.

If you tell her you know, she'll go off on you about "invading her privacy".

Order those books yet?

More homework: locate the Emotional Needs Questionaire on this site and make two copies. Fill one out as yourself and fill out the other as you think your wife might. Reflect on the outcome.

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I guess where I am confused is how she can continue to lie to me like she is doing... She is playing games with my head and my heart. She knows I would do anything for her... I always have, I have put up with so much of her crap over the years where anyone else would have been long gone.
We split up about 2 years before we got married and she had one time fling with some random guy we met at a karaoke bar. Turned out later that while she gave in to me trying to win her abck she was pushing me away cause she was afraid to tell me that she was pregnant. Thinking it wasnt mine I did somethign I regret, I told her to abort the baby thinking that it wasn't mine since it had been so long since we had sex. Found out that it was 8 weeks along which would have made it mine, and we found out it was twins... so I still have anger in my heart about that. If she had never been so distant and made that mistake we would have two more adorable babies in our lifes... thats a blessing from god and we did a bad thing, i have to live with that.

I just want to arouse her into seeing what she has...


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I guess where I am confused is how she can continue to lie to me like she is doing... She is playing games with my head and my heart.

You're making the very typical newbie BS mistake of trying to make sense out of what she's doing. You're trying to use reason to reconcile her unreasonable behavior. This will not work and will just drive you nuts.

Re-read rule #1.

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So how do I not do this?

I have to civil and show her I still love her right?

We have a child and I dont want what I do to effect her... its bad enough that I may very well have to fight her for full custody.


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So how do I not do this?
Just don't doubt yourself that she's rational and you're not. That the reason you're confused is because of some failing on your part.

She's the one that needs mental floss, not you.

In one ear and out the other.

When she's spewing garbage at you, imagine her moving her hands left and right in unison beside her head, pulling that mental floss in and out of her ears. She's been abducted and had her brains scrambled. Don't try to make sense out of what she's saying or doing.

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So what can I do... reverse babble?
Not show her that I love her in other ways... I mean I can show her in other ways without saying I love you...


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Order those books yet?

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Have you done your homework?

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Please listen to WAT. my wife has said and i know will continue to say things that are beyond imaginable. look past them. because i guarantee you.......one day thay WILL come back saying sorry or somthing to that extent.

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Dear Mr Almeida,

it might help to look at your wife's current behavior as that of a confused girl in puberty.
The "leave me alone" - "don't tell me what I need to do" stuff..
Then getting all needy and sorry..
Then slamming the door in your face..
Not logical.
Not rational.
Very confused, trying to balance personal needs and selfish demands and responsibilities.

You do Plan A.
No angry outbursts.
No disrespectful judgments.
No relationship talks.
Be the man she would want to be with if she wasn't so foggy.
Take her outbursts like those of a girl in puberty - don't believe it when "they hate you" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />.


[color:"purple"]When we lose sight of the well being of others, it is like losing sight in one eye. (the Dalai Lama)[/color]
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I like what you are saying... I dont want to be cold to someone I have been with for 6 years. She will be 30 in October, and I will be 29 in November.
I am more sentimental than she is... after being with someone for so long its hard for her not to know my emotions, so the hard part is going to keep myself content and happy - even with the rejection.
I want so much more out of our relationship, the way things were when we were in church not too long before we married.

I want to help her with this, she is my wife and her problem is also my problem..thats how I see things. But I can't make her open up or make her seek counseling. I have decided to seek counseling on my own and see if at some point she we join me. She may laugh at me now with her sarcasm, cause she knows that gets to me...I just have to protect my buttons and become immune. While still being the loving husband and father I have been known to be.

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I started my plan last night...

When she came home I asked her about her day, and was very attentive. When she asked about mine, I told her it was fantastic... but didn't point out nay specifics (didn't want to focus on me).
We talked here and there laughing at little things our daughter did, or things on TV...
When she got done with dinner, I told her to take off her socks and rol up her pants legs. I then went in the other room and got a some foot soak stuff I had purchased at the store. I told her to soak her feet in this for 20 mins.
When that was over we looked onlone together for Halloween costumes.
We went to bed, I put some creme on her feet and massaged them. When I was done, she said thank you...and I told her sweet dreams, she told me the same.

This morning when she got up to work, she had a wierd dream and I let her tell me all about it. It was pretty nice just talking about things randomly and enjoying each others company.

May not be much but I was able to pull off a night of not dwelling or getting upset...

Will keep you updated!!!


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