PLEASE STOP the political badgering. I know you all have opinions but the purpose of this post was to bring to attention how some choose to make stupid choices which hurt many, including children.

Any person who shoots into the air into a crowd does not deserve to have a weapon in his/her possession. If the family of that child are scared to press charges, they should give the message that they are scared.

Did this even happen? If it did, shame on the area and people it happened to. Hope they do something to stop it.

If it is a fabrication? Shame on the people who did it, I hope those who find out, make them pay for such a horrible story.

Now can we get back to real issues here? Btw, I am still incensed. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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Orchid, you made this political by highlighting a story from an unstable country, the culture of which you (and I) don't understand. Pio patiently and intelligently gave a lot of the background to how something like this could have happened. It's not like this happened in downtown Des Moines (get the ref Pio).

People do things around the world on an hourly basis that are stupid and harm children. What about the average family guy who reverses out of his driveway without making sure his toddler isn't behind the SUV? What about the family that keeps loaded guns unlocked in their houses? I mean it just goes on and on.

What are the real issues? That people are stupid? You don't have to be Einstein to work that one out.

In our area a MIL pinned her DIL to the ground with her car while the granddaughter (2 years old) was in the back seat.

On the same day a 14 year old boy was arrested for taking an Uzi type gun he got from his father's closet and took it to his high school because some 16 year old and another student were making fun of that boy's girlfriend. The 16 year old took the gun away from the 14 year old and sold it.

Those 2 incidents happened within less than 5 miles from my home. Dangerous? I live on an island where many come for a vacation.

Of course violence and stupid acts happen all over the world. I happened to hi-light one of them.

There is NO excuse for those kinds of stupid acts. The fact that some of those stupid acts happen on a more frequent basis than others in certain areas should be causing people to make efforts to reduce it and NOT allow it to increase or flourish.

The combination of the events reported in the initial post was given because it had several elements that would outrage most humans. The combination of events that lead to the injury of a child and lead his family to accept the actions of a militant is abhorrent NO matter WHICH country it happened in.

When are people going to realize that when a child gets shot in any country due to stupid acts of dumb adults, that is WRONG?!?!?!?!

When I asked for opinions it was regarding the subject of how the twisted mindset can cause people to do stupid things. The scary thing is that some WS' have similar thought patterns. This correlation was brought up before. It was and is scary to think that a person or group of people can act with such defiance for the sanctity of life and try to justify their STUPID acts.

I don't care if the gunman was purple with green poka dots. If he was doing exactly what that militant was doing..... he would still be wrong.

To whoever may think I am picking on a particular country or religion, I am NOT picking on any one country or religion. I realize the stupidity is a global illness, so please don't give me reason to. That would be very disappointing and very biased.

I hope this makes my point.

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Piojitos,

I appreciate your response. In my case, it outrages me no matter where it happens. The sad thing is to see the babble associated with such foolishness. The fact that some areas don't receive as much new attention as others is part of life. Even if all were equally published, I myself couldn't read them all. But the focus is the fact that for the ones I did and do read....this is bad....still very bad. So if it happens even more often, that is horrible as well.

I hope you understand it should outrage all sane humans. The sad piece is the insane ones keep multiplying and doing more outrageous and stupid things which the more dumb ones....glorify. Now how dumb is that?

L.

I understand and yes, there is a workable solution. Not one all will agree to but a permanent one and good one nonetheless. This is not the time nor place to discuss this subject (IMHO). I can continue this discussion off line if you'd like but I respect the subject matter of this site.

My point was to hi-light the incident. I did not initially question the authenticity of the story but the more I thought about it, either way it raises serious questions. I don't like people hiding behind the statement that others are prejudice. I have seen it many times, even close to home and know it is an excuse to hide from fixing the real problem.

In reality, when there is a problem, you face it and fix it to the best of your ability but never should violence or stupid acts be even considered.

I can tell you that the same issues resides elsewhere even on this particular subject but the resolution did NOT include such stupid acts. So there is a way. People need to use their brains instead of their brawns.

I will tell you that whenever I see young children carrying weapons and chanting, with the adults in the background giving their approval, it sickens me.

I have personally spoken to people who have done such thing and you know what? In a group (like bullies) they tend to be quite outspoken but one on one, most are cowards. They fight for a battle most can't even explain. Now how sad is that? I am not the only ones who have spoken to such people. I have many friends in other countries who have done the same. Same story.

The point is the vicious cyle continues more in certain areas because many in those areas enable and encourage it. That is where one portion of the problem lies. Not a symptom, it is the cause. What a sad thing for a parent to teach their children.

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Well I cannot make the link to infidelity so I will respect the purpose of the forum. Discussing this off-line would also be against forum policy. I will stay out and let you get back to the issues at hand.

Orchid I suppose what I see from your post is that you are saying the twisted logic that some how its ok to do foolish, or reprehensible acts because the 'cause' is pure in the minds of those committing the acts - can be compared to the twisted logic of WS who are in so called "love of their life affairs" with a OP and some BS who accept those actions.
Its just the degree of reprehensibility that differs.

Perhaps, however I think the issues in the mid east that have leaad to so many similar actions go way back to the days of the crusades for muslims, I don't think its as clear cut as twisted thinking alone. There are involved and interelated religious and historical issues that also impact on such actions. As well as good old fashioned indoctrination from various leaders.
But of course thats JMHO <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

AW & Piojitos,

Piojitos, I appreciate your thoughts on this thread and respect your decision. Thank you for your input.

Yes AW, it is the degree that differs. Still to be even near the same category is scary.

It is a sensitive subject, I know. The offensiveness of the acts are where the similarities lie. The callouness of those who commit the acts and try to claim some sort of just cause is what stands out to me the most. I am appalled at how the family reacted and know that some families do justify hideious acts against their own children as justifable.

My point was that the mindset of a person who becomes is a WS also tries to justify what is in reality hideious acts against the family. Whether it is mental and emotional cruelty to the BS and family, physical abuse, financial hardship or even death (remember Scott Peterson). These are hideous acts and at times, even here we have heard of accounts where family members and friends have promoted these types of hideous acts. That appalls me.

You know the one nagging question I have is: With all this misery....who is happy? Do they even know HOW to be happy? I see the logic used to promote the violence as an excuse more than a reason. It's the same question I posed to several WS' in their hey day.

It comes down to each person owning responsbility for their own actions and NOT allow others to make them do stupid things.


I am sure no Xws wants to be reminded of how bad their actions were viewed by others. Not even my H wants to know about it but when we have our serious discussions, even he admits he is appalled at his actions and can't believe how he could have done those things to his family.

This tells me along with the other cases I have seen, it is possible for people to turn around. In the same vein, I have read of accounts where those who once harbored terroristic lifestyles came to their senses and also turned their lives around. The mentality they had to throw out was hard for them, yet they did it. Survival and change is possible.

That similarity helped even my H see how devastating the A was to our family. Yes, it felt very much like warzone in our lives at the time. The weapons may not have been guns but the blows were quite devastating. Depression can also be destructive. It is on this vein that I make the correlation. Knowing this my H now can see the severity of his former actions. In turn this helps keep us all on the straight and narrow.

I have friends who lived through things like the refugee camps in Thailand, the Cambodian slaughter, etc., they tell similar stories of great attrocities which are also highly offensive. The same stupid attitudes that create chaos for innocent people in those regions fall under that same category. I have even read of personal accounts of how some changed their violent lifestyle and kept it that way even if it meant persecution from the bullies of those terrorist organizations. I am not limiting my assessment to one country.

Simply pointing to a current event item and making a statement. Also to say that it is possible for these people to change but it is a step they each individually must take.

That's the similarity and the short version.

L.