LOL, once Mimi thought she made a mistake, but she was wrong?

Still, you said:



Why you won't E-Mail me TONIGHT? You E-Mailed me LAST NIGHT. What's different about TONIGHT? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Mimi,
I see you do indeed have a wonderful sense of humor.

I'm still laughing so hard it's hard to type.

Tell me what you think. Do you think Georgia has learned from his struggles, and will have a good chance, or do you think he's still got to far to go, and needs to wait a while.

I was thinking about a poem - maybe I can find it. I think Georgia doesn't want to wait unil he can afford it emotionally.

Poem:
The groom white of hair leans over his cane,
His footsteps uncertain need guiding.
While down the church aisle with a wan toothless smile,
The bride in her wheelchair comes riding.

Now who is this elderly couple you ask.
You’ll find if you closely explore it,
That here is that rare, most unusual pair
Who waited until they could afford it.

It's fun talking about it though, I admit that.

SS

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

-ol' 2long

GG-
Have been reading your posts and trying to think of what to say!

I am happy for you – I know excited you are. It sounds like you have found a truly great woman, and I wish you many blessings.
However I also feel lead to share some of my own experience with you, yet again.

You may recall part of my story – post D – although I have not shared many details

About a year after my D I met a man, on Eharmony, who was/is perfect for me. A mighty man of God! We both attended foursquare churches – although in separate cities. We both came from broken marriages where we learned a lot about relationships. We both have read various books on relationships (although I have read far more than he!) We share so many of the same goals, beliefs, dreams. We wanted to be married, to raise our children, to watch my son play football, and take his daughter to dance class. His oldest boy had a baby at age 17 – I love being “Gramma” to the cutest grand son in the world!

When we met, he lived about an hour away from me. Certainly not as far as you and your bride-to-be, but still we felt that we should go ahead and get married right away, so that we could start our new and wonderful life together, and stop spending so much time on the freeway. We married 6 months after we met, he sold his house, and moved into mine. My oldest boy was a senior that year, so there was no way we could move him. Now that he is off to college, we have sold that house, bought a bigger one together, and moved to our new home.

I too felt fully prepared to be in a new marriage. I am older, and wiser now. I know more about how to take care of a H now. I understand about emotional needs, about meeting his, and also about sharing mine. While we were engaged, we even talked about how we would someday start a marriage ministry, mentoring other couples.
However, I am here to tell you that no book, no amount of age or maturity, can truly prepare you for the reality of a 2nd marriage. I am not saying “don’t do it” or “wait”. If I had it to do all over again, I would still marry him, and I would still do it after only 6 months. He is truly a great man. I am blessed to have him in my life.
But I can see now that I was not really prepared. I wish I could tell you how to be better prepared – but I am not sure what to say, other than to tell you that I know you are not really prepared.

Someone suggested I read “Saving your 2nd Marriage before it Starts” and that was somewhat helpful, so you might want to get it.

I have tried to think of a few words of wisdom to share, and the best I could come up with is this:
Right now you think you have a good understanding of relationships, based on past experience. You have been married, so you know what to expect, and you have read a lot of the right books. But in reality you only know the types of problems that came up in your past M. Your next M will not have the same issues – there will be different issues, which will take you by surprise. Right now you are thinking, “at least I know that this woman will be faithful” and that is true. BUT there will be other problems, and when they arise you will say “I NEVER had anything like this happen the last time! I don’t know what to do”.

My WxH was a cheater – that was his biggest problem. I am SO thankful that my new H is a solid, faithful, loving H. He does not have the same problem my ex has. BUT my new H tends to be jealous, or insecure, a lot. It is a big surprise to me – my Ex was never the “jealous type”. And of course none of this appeared while we were dating. But now, If I am running late after work, my new H becomes instantly suspicious. And I am so shocked by that, it keeps me awake at night thinking “what have I done wrong, how could I be a better wife so he feels safer, how can I make sure I do not screw up this relationship”. I fear a second broken marriage, which makes me look at problems differently than I did before.
I also find that after being through a huge trauma – like infidelity and D, and having suffered through several months of depression, I become depressed easier than I used to. My new H is very kind, but if he snaps at me too quickly, I feel sad inside right away and it doesn’t go away very easily. It is like when a dog was beaten as a puppy – he becomes fearful anytime a human hand is raised, so that when you even raise your hand to pet the dog, he cringes for fear that you are going to hit him. I feel like that sometimes, even thought my new H does not scream and swear at me like my Ex did – still, if he raises his voice around me, I start to cringe like a little puppy. I have thought of this a lot – I think that in my mind I had figured that I knew the secret to a life long marriage now. I had all the answers, and know how to do everything right this time. But if my new H becomes upset or frustrated, the panic button goes off in my mind, and I fear that I don’t really know the secret after all! I am still vulnerable!!

I probably didn’t add anything truly constructive here. I guess I will leave you with this thought – tough times will come in your first year of marriage – when it does, know that it is not unusual. Counseling would be a very good idea ahead of time too.

Please keep posting here. I will try to share any other little tidbits of wisdom I may think of.
We have been married 1 ½ years now – it will be two years in January. If I had it to do all over again, I would still marry him, and still as quickly, but it has been a lot harder than I had anticipated.

Wow WOF5, what a great post.
Two thumbs up.

However, I doubt if MIMI will email you either.
(grin)

SS

Wow....I am truly blessed to have you all here!!

(Am I the ONLY person who doesn't e-mail Mimi?)

I didn't really mean to AVOID the board today. After reading Mimi's words this morning:

"Is it worth my time and energy to continue posting to you?"

I have spent much of the day (well....actually in the slots left over from real, paying work) thinking about what that really said to me. And...I was really thinking in my mind "Should I continue to take up valuable time of Mimi and others in my current situation, and should I just no longer post." And...I was about to come to that conclusion.

But, what a blessing to log on tonight and see these posts from you...my friends AND MIMI!!! (She get's her feelings hurt if you don't mention her by name.).

Wow...rather than answer any questions (I'm really tired), let me say that I will be back and thank you all so very much for genuinely caring.

Ann frequently reminds me that she's nothing but a sinner saved by grace...tonight I feel like I would ask you all to just have the patience to apply that to me as well.

Mimi...for your info..it was the Moi post that hit me so hard...not yours.

And...WOF...I'm currently reading "The First 90 Days of Marriage". I've orderd "Love and Respect" from Amazon. WOF..I truly, truly appreciate your insight, I continue to be amazed at much of the similarities to our continuing journey. We will be getting counseling, and I'm trying to arrange for us to attend Weekend to Remember together.

I will go back and reread later...off to bed.

thanks again...

Georgia:

I thank you for granting me the honor and respect that is due for a GODDESS such as myself. Since you think you have found the TRUE GODDESS perhaps you are now failing to take proper note of my ROYAL STATUS! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Ok. I'm stretching out of my comfort zone...to understand REMARRIAGE..quick remarriage at that...this coming from a woman who "dated" her H for 4 years before marriage and has been married for 30 years...Listening to others here, I now say GO FOR IT..WHY NOT?...We're not getting any YOUNGER. However, I had this exact same thought as WOF but wasn't clear about communicating it last week.



So my even GREATER concern for you now, particularly given your reaction to the "POUNDING" (as you say), is what about this CONFLICT AVOIDANCE issue of yours. If you felt "POUNDED", why didn't come on here and "POUND" back. What's going to happen when you DISAGREE with Ann? What's going to happen when she DISAGREES with you..or are you two going to AGREE about EVERYTHING???

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Good Morning to all (AND MIMI) -

I think that I should really cut to the chase and avoid a lot of debate.

Ann and I are going to get married.

She and I will, this weekend, be having further discussion regarding a date, as well as other issues that we need to resolve together.

The issues that have been raised here by MIMI and others can, if simplified, be summarized as:

1. You've not known Ann long enough & don't really know her
2. Too many women, too little time
3. You're not emotionally ready yet
4. You're a bumbling fool (well...in so many words!).

Can I just jump over all those arguments and say that of all the various debates, arguments, confrontations...etc. the one that has SUBSTANCE to me is by WOF.

The reason? Obvious. Her path is so very, very similar to mine. I could start listing the similarities. I think she knows it, and I know it. Our past has been similar, our "betweens" (D and remarriage) have been similar, I recall there was another R sandwiched in there (I'm remembering correctly, aren't I?), and now her new M to a godly spouse.

It's the things you say about your new M that I think can really help me. I know you somewhat answered this question with an "I don't know", but I would like to prod you a little more on that subject. Do you think that any measure of pre-M counseling, even with SH, would have better prepared you? If you say that you would still do it the same, not even delaying any longer, are you saying that it's a risk that CAN't be mitigated, so just expect it?

I think, WOF, that you are telling me something that WILL make a difference. I appreciate that.

For discussion, what difference (if any) do you (anyone - Mimi included) think it will make that she was in a GOOD marriage...happy with her husband...and lost him to cancer?

I don't hear much discussion here of such a re-M situation. Any thoughts?

Georgia

EDIT - Mimi....just read your post, back with you on that shortly.

Good morning GG,

Just so you know....I've been absent because I took a bad fall and hurt my knee....or I would have posted sooner.

For <me> I have no disappointment in any of your actions...they are water under the bridge and I have zero power to make an impact on them. I am concerned about <now> and the choices you make now. The whole dating issue relates to "the now" in the sense that your wife's affair and rejection created a void aching to be filled....and you tried to fill it....with mixed results. Until you found someone to really love <wholly>....you filled it with whoever seemed to care or admire you, because you were lonely and hurting. While that may not have been wise....it was decidedly human. I understand that....and even though I might have advised you against it....it isn't what I'm focussed on now at all.

The fact that a pattern may have emerged is important in the sense that it isn't a pattern you want to continue into the future and it sounds like you're ready to end it and make a far bigger investment. Your future is what your decisions <now> have the ability to impact....so that's where I want to concentrate my efforts.

First let me say....that I believe you when you describe Ann's fine qualities. Please believe *me* when I tell you that her fine qualities are likely the only thing you are capable of seeing right now....that *is* the nature of this stage of romantic love and there are evolutionary reasons why human beings go through these different stages.

This is temporary and your eyes will be opened....as they should. That doesn't mean her fine qualities will go away or no longer exist....or that when the biochemical fog clears she'll be the opposite of what you see....or that you won't still deeply love her....but what you WILL see is that she is as imperfectly human as any one else. You have yet to fully know the "whole" Ann and to marry prior to knowing that creates more risk for both of you.

Risk doesn't equal failure....I'm not saying that...in fact I feel quite hopeful that you can make a success of this. I know people who hardly knew eachother and had long successful marriages....but especially as a second marriage....which is facing greater odds already....I hate to see you forego the time to allow this relationship to grow into more than just the heightened sense of romance you currently feel or adding more challenge to the mix.

My aim is to help you build a good foundation for your new marriage and to help you <apply> the great things you've learned here on MB to reduce risk, create a deeper love, and to increase the odds of success for your future with the woman you love. Ann deserves that. So do you.

Unfortunately, families have a huge impact on marriages....there's no escaping that. I still say that you owe it to yourself, Ann, your families, and even your community to take the time to *court* the love of your life. It adds legitimacy, but more importantly....stability, a strong foundation, and a realistic idea of what life together will truly entail.

To be honest, even in regards to your XWW....I felt you were always in such a hurry. boom boom boom....you moved out, got a new house, dog, life, divorce, dating....you're a decisive kinda guy. Part of me loves that about you....the other part (the mother hen part) thinks you're sometimes too impulsive for your own good. KWIM? LOL It also probably went a whole lot SLOWER for you....since you're the one who as suffering! But looking back....the transition happened pretty quickly.

Let me just give you a little snapshot based on something you mentioned earlier. You said that you wanted Ann to see what even half the money for her townhome would buy in the area that you live. I can almost promise you that her friends and family will go insane if she agrees to move cross country with a man she barely knows and they will resent you dearly for it. She will face huge criticism and fear from those who love her. The money, or the bigger place, will mean nothing if she can no longer see her grandkids. If she agrees, how long do you think it will be before she begins to resent you for it? Blame you for it? How much love will be destroyed when she misses the milestones in the lives of her family and friends? If you take her out of her element....you will destroy one of the things that you love most about her....her devotion to her family and community. It will force her to choose and she will be different for it.

And what if you move? How will you feel if you have to live in a community that is suspicious and rejects you? How will that impact your relationship?

Take the opportunity to show the people who love both of you that this is *for real* FIRST. Spend some time in her community. Let her spend some time in yours. See where the best assimilation will occur and experience the dynamics beforehand. Make an informed decision based on future success....not on where your money can buy a bigger place. Creature comforts won't mean nearly as much as living without regret will.....especially if the two of you are basing your relationship on Godly pursuits.

What is the downside of waiting? If you truly love this woman....doesn't waiting show MORE love? More protection for her (as well as you)? More Godliness? Impatience is not a virtue....quite the opposite. The "rapid fire" relationship dynamic needs to stabilize and crystalize....and that takes <time>. You will both be better people for it....wiser, more confident, grounded, mature. Impulsiveness, and throwing caution to the wind is very romantic....it feeds the infatuation. But can your relationship withstand time? caution? wisdom? Those are the questions that only you can answer. Can you delay gratification long enough to find out?

There's an old saying that "there's no fool like an old fool". Age doesn't impart wisdom in matters of love....we are all wired to be putty in the hands of infatuation. Have enough faith in yourself and Ann to let time test your love....to let your families get to know and see the truth of your love and reach some acceptance. Don't burn the bridges in your lives....and risk the loss of love that isolation can easily destroy. Build a supportive environment for you marriage where it can flourish.


Men are solution oriented....they want things "fixed" and they want it now. Much of marriage building is counter-intuitive....it means looking beyond <feelings> and taking the time to do the hard work of romance once our own biochemistry quiets down. In that calm quiet place....is where the real nature of love can be known.

You don't know Ann yet....but that doesn't scare me nearly as much as the worry that you don't know GG yet. I believe you love Ann....but I wonder if you love GG? 2long is right....you don't know the difference between being alone and being lonely....and from where I sit....it means you're not ready to marry. I'm not disappointed....I'm concerned and worried.

I'm sorry that you've felt pounded....I can only say that even pounding requires time and investment....and obviously, there are many people here who've taken the time and made the investment in you. I hope that makes you feel cared for...as well as pounded LOL.

Sending prayers and hugs!

star*

*editted to add*...please see my first post on the previous page...this page change is untimely.


You might be right....might. But there is also an answer that seems equally *obvious*....you're hearing what you want to hear and it supports what you want to do.


Good
Super
Fabulous

Now do it in a smart and ethical way so that you make the most of the gift you've been given.

There's something about this that's bothering me. Are you saying that your first marriage was BAD/FLAWED..a marriage that produced those WONDERFUL SONS? Are you saying that your X wife was a BAD person..is a BAD person..as compared to Ann?

You see I was in a GOOD MARRIAGE..HAPPY with my H..and I lost him to (not cancer) but to INFIDELITY....

I'm remembering how much I identified with the 9/11 widows during that time period. My H prior to his A was definitely a good, honest man as WOF now describes her present H. He DIED. I LOST HIM SOMEWHERE. He WAS NOT A BAD MAN who anyone would have expected to have an affair. He was a deacon in the church, a Sunday School teacher, a well-respected business and political leader in our community...ANYONE CAN SIN AND FALL SHORT as you well know about yourself, Georgia...

It's like you want to tie things up in a pretty package. I used to see life that way but don't anymore. Don't expect things to always LOOK PRETTY....

I used to think..NOT MY HUSBAND...

Expect ANN to FALL OFF OF THAT PEDESTAL...

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Mimi...

Let me say that the "pounding" wasn't so bad as the "I've lost all respect for you" comment. As someone who so highly regards "Love and Respect", I think you may understand that. I found that comment quite devastating.

"If you felt "POUNDED", why didn't come on here and "POUND" back."

Well, I still maintain that I have come a long, long way in my CA'ing ways (see my list of examples from last week). And..in my previous post (before I read yours), I suggest that I faced all you (ya'll?) pounders head on by saying:

"Ann and I are going to get married."

In other words, I don't have to take a vote to make that decision, it's done. That doesn't mean that I'll not listen to words of caution/wisdom/etc. But...it does mean that's MY decision and I have no obligation to convince EVERYONE here that I'm right.

Will Ann and I always agree on everything? Of course not. I do think that I can face her with those conflicts and RESPECT her at the same time.

Thinking back a few years...you may recall when I was AFRAID to clash with my own W and tell her (that's right, tell her) she wasn't going to carry on with another man in this way. Those days are WAY gone.

If I can make this personal...(okay, no one but Mimi can read this), I've felt like in some of your clashes with your H that you've allowed the pendulum to swing too far. You've not only embraced conflict, you've almost taken it to a "win at all cost" mentality.

I hope that I have learned to face conflict while maintaining respect for Ann, to know that her opinions are just as valuable as mine, just different.

And...actually, we've just in the last 2 days dealt with an issue that we perceive "differently". We talked about it, and I have decided that the right thing to do is to respect her very sincerely held belief in this area. I have discussed with her that I've looked at this issue from all sides, that I've not been able to come to the same conclusion as her, but that I, as her husband, will support her in this area and respect her conclusion. And..I've told her that in due time I hope we can respectfully discuss this in more depth and she can help me understand why she believes as she does.

Is that conflict? I don't know. But..it does demonstrate that we DON'T agree on everything, and never will. But...can't we approach those conflicts head-on with LOVE AND RESPECT for one another?

Georgia

EDIT - star...just saw your post (seems I'm always one behind!).

Little bit of a threadjack because I don't want us to get off course with YOU and start talking about ME...

But I LOLed when I read this....

This is furthest from the truth...

I WISH...

I used to be this way....THE WIN AT ALL COSTS MENTALITY.... Remember FIGHT or FLIGHT...I used to be such a FIGHTER!!!

I've been doing SUPER DUPER at not having to WIN....

I could care less about WINNING...

Dang it, I thought you KNEW me...

Oh well...

It's ALL COOL!!

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Humm....Mimi...you've not convinced me about YOU. The next time you have one of those multi-day "conflicts", I'm going to refer back to your "I could care less about WINNING" statement.

Back to me...

You've totally misconstrued what I was saying about "good" vs. "bad". I suppose I would clarify by saying I'm discussing how the M ended. Most, if not all, M's discussed here ended on a decidedly sour note. Yes, my xW was a WONDERFUL wife up till 1999, when OM#1 came from the heavens and become the center of her universe. Yes, we had a WONDERFUL MARRIAGE (not perfect) until 1999.

But...the question I'm posing is how (if at all) are things different (as relates to our future) when her M ended while still "good", not sour grapes? I think that is a question worth asking.

Shouldn't the relationship between YOU AND ANN be FOCUSED on your RELATIONSHIP with EACH OTHER?

How can YOU be so sure about the NATURE of THEIR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP? It certainly was not PERFECT.

It may have ended positively in HER PERCEPTION but you don't know how HE FELT about it. Although your relationship with your X ended BADLY, there were GOOD PARTS.

IMO, it would be more important for you to focus on your relationship with each other.

Georgia:

I really believe in proper GOODBYEs.

I believe that we should end on a GOOD NOTE, my friend.

So you are right, NO DUELING.

I sincerely pray that one day that you find you a woman with whom you can be as ESCTATICALLY HAPPY with as I am with my H right now. As of today, I pray that that woman is Ann.

I don't think that I can be helpful to you any longer and that's what this forum is all about.

No hard feelings on my part, Georgia. No hard feelings at all. I've enjoyed our discussions and joking.

Our lives and viewpoints are VERY DIFFERENT at this point. That's the absolute truth. I can't really relate to or understand your world.

I will still be lurking around keeping up with you.

But now, I must say GOODBYE.

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If I may direct this back to where I want it to be....

(threadjacking my own thread)...

I would really appreciate more of a dialog with WOF right now. Seems to me like I'm ALWAYS a year or 2 behind WOF....and when I catch up I say the same thing.

I am really, really interested in learning more about what WOF has to say. Or, perhaps all was said in that one post and it's "caveat emptor" from here.

Georgia

Mimi...

Part of what is hard about this forum (for me) is taking other peoples advice when I don't agree with it, or seeing points of view that differ from my own. Hence, the "skirmish" between myself and many others the last few days regarding my R with Ann.

In that same sense, advice has been given here that we both should, and will, heed. Even though it isn't my POV, and you've indicated it wasn't yours either.

Since you are calling this goodbye...allow me this.

Two years ago my every day was h3ll. Using the words from the other thread...your daily advice WAS my lifeline, no doubt about it. Each day seemed to start with a panic attack....and much of, if not all of, the advice from my IC was useless. You may recall it was you who encouraged me to contact SH, which I did. And...I followed his advice closely in relating to WW, something that I think many here may have forgotten (or never known).

Thank you for offering sound, concise MB advice to get me through those dark & dismal days. I know you will continue to do the same for others here.

Early tomorrow afternoon I will be picking up a wonderful, godly, (and "goddessy") lady at the Atlanta airport. We will be doing things together that will be hard....going from there to meet her late husband's parents. It is likely the only time I will ever see her FIL, and while there I will assure that he and I have a heart-to-heart conversation about my M to Ann, and my future "friendship" with his side of the family (how do you say "soon to be widow" with any kind of sensitivity?).

We will be coming back here and lunching with my parents, my aunt and uncle, and HOPEFULLY having dinner with #1S/DIL.

Thanks, Mimi, for at least offering me advice that allowed me to keep my sanity and maybe, just maybe, have a light at the end of my tunnel.

Your friend -

Georgia

I only have just a few minutes!
I wanted to respond to a few things:

StarFish made the comment that I am telling GG what he wants to hear - there is a lot of truth in that - but honestly, I do not think there is any point in saying "wait" or "don't do it" because neither of those statements would make a bit of difference to him. I know. Been there.

One of the reasons I first got onto EHarmony was NOT to find a husband, I figured that I would be single for at least two more years. I had a son who would be graduating in two years. But I did want to meet people, have an occasional date. I wanted someone who I could call up and say, "there is a new restaurant opening, that I would really like to try, but I don't want to go alone. Would you go with me?" There was NO WAY I would have guessed that I would be re-married so soon.

There was 1 other man I dated - that was a casual, go out once a week or so, type of relationship, which is supposedly what I wanted, but it turned out to not work quite as I thought it would. We are emotional, relational beings, and even though I was not "in Love" with that guy, it still hurt my feelings when he did not call for several days. I came to realize that the whole “dating” thing was tough for a 40-year-old mother of two teenage boys.

When I met my H I said, right up front, “I am not getting married until OS graduates high school”. But after a month or so, talking on the phone, reading the bible together, singing praise songs together at the top of our lungs, dinners, walks, etc, I saw that this was truly a man of God. We wanted to be together. He loved going to OS’s football games, wrestling meets, baseball games. I could see how he could fit into my life. And we were spending a lot of time on the phone, and on the freeway. He started talking marriage after 3 months, and I could not see any reason to wait. Why would I wait to be with this man who had truly blessed my life?

When we did get engaged, most people were thrilled for us. His family and mine were ecstatic for us. Our pastor was happy for us – truly felt we belonged together – but would not marry us because we had not dated for a year. He has a strong policy that he will not marry couple who has not 1. Dated for at least 1 year, and, 2. Gone through pre-marital counseling with him. We had not dated for a year, so we did not even qualify for his pre-marital counseling. My H’s response to that was: “I truly feel the God has blessed me with this woman, and I feel lead to marry her – so why should I have to abide by the rules of this 1 man – our pastor? This is not a rule form the bible, it is a rule from a man”. So we flew to Hawaii and got married on the beach. The pastor wrote us a beautiful letter to read at the wedding, and has blessed our marriage. There are no hard feelings with him. BUT, at the same time, when we have had some of the common newlywed struggles, we would NEVER call the pastor about it, because of our fear that he might say “you should have waited”

I am certain that GG is saying a lot of the same things my H said in the beginning.

GG – briefly – I don’t know what advice to give you about pre-marital counseling. Would it really bring out ALL the issues you need to discuss? No. BUT, it may bring out 1 or 2 issues that you two could discuss ahead of time, and frankly, in marriage, ever little bit of help is good. It will start some dialogs that you have not started all ready. And it will clear a path for any future counseling you may decide on.

We are in counseling right now. Not because our M is in trouble – but because we have discovered that some of the baggage we brought with us has effected how we look at conflict, and we want to deal with this stuff now, before it gets too big.

My in-laws attended the Weekend To Remember and loved it. I haven’t gone yet, but would like to. We did attend the Love and Respect seminar, and we both loved it. My H was apprehensive about it at first, saying “we don’t have marriage trouble – we don’t need help” but we went anyway, and he is glad he did.

Gotta run – will check back in later