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So how cuddly is Mr. ML in that suit of armor he needs for protection???? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> awwwwwwwwwwww, I could never pop a cap on his [censored], he is too cute! **snort** <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> he's cute alright ... but not THAT cute <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
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[color:"red"]If FWSs knew what was lurking in the minds and hearts of their BSs most of the time they'd never sleep unarmed. <~~~ Noodle [/color]
hey ... who gave you permission to discuss MY (previous) sig line without my permission???
huh? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I read Noodle's comment and it went *zing* in my head
because it is just too true
I recall restless nights next to my snoring H just months after D day and hating his very GUTS for being able to sleep while my head was exploding in pain
and so the freshly betrayed has wicked wicked thoughts
some of them REALLY not nice chainsaw massacre level of not-nice put some poop in your shoes not-nice
and it was just too funny for Noodle to put that raw honesty just right OUT THERE for all the world to see
this has NOTHING to do with YOU Pat ... unless it is Froz thinking the carnage <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
this is the BS admitting they own a dark place themselves ...it's not all light & roses & tap shoes ... not all-the-the-time is the BS wondering ~~~> "how I can meet my FWH's ENs today"
sometimes it's lethally judgmental gruesome murderous thoughts and these thought are NOT pleasant to the thinker <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
but.... it's not applicable to other WS's ... just our own ... and there is a pretty short shelf life for these thoughts ... because eventually they round out to "But, I love this man"
I haven't thought about putting poop in his shoes for months and months
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Pep <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Aside from being dead on accurate...this also ties in to part two of my very long thoughts on this matter so I may be moving it aroung via quotage to keep it fresh 'till I have time to finish.
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once ~Shakespeare
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So how cuddly is Mr. ML in that suit of armor he needs for protection???? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> awwwwwwwwwwww, I could never pop a cap on his [censored], he is too cute! **snort** <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> he's cute alright ... but not THAT cute <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> He is cuter than a BUG!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Noodle
I totally "get it"
your comment was an honest observation of the awfulness of the early-recovery BS state of mind ... and REALLY has nuttin' to do with the "F" in front of WS
we BS can be loathsome and sickening in our own right!
... and Patriot ~~~> YOU thought this was a judgement on YOU !!!... oh no soldier ... we BS reserve the right to poke fun at ourselves ...
Noodle was judging our BS-crazy-azzes
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You read it in context though..is that really apparent from the quote all by itself?
It looks like it to ME but I wrote and thought it in context, I'm biased.
Besides which I have been wanting to climb on this topic for a long time now and here's my opportunity.
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well climb on then
I remember being totally nutzo and viscious and thinking the darkest thoughts I had ever thought and saying the most cruel things I owned a poison mind at the time
... and look at me now ... I adore my beloved sweetie-pie
his shoes are safe
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[color:"red"]If FWSs knew what was lurking in the minds and hearts of their BSs most of the time they'd never sleep unarmed. <~~~ Noodle [/color]
thinking about this in MB terms
this is descriptive of what happends when ...
the BS "taker" becomes a lunatic at the same time the BS love bank suddenly declares bankruptcy
in Godfather terms, it's ~~~> go to the mattresses
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This makes me think of that night EARLY IN RECOVERY..short of another FALSE RECOVERY, finding out about RENEWED CONTACT.. when I was ranting and raving around my house with my coat on and only my nightgown underneath... looking for my glasses...
"I CAN'T FIND MY GLASSES, FWH..WHERE ARE MY GLASSES??"..
I had this thought that if I killed the OW..I would be relieved of this nightmare..
You get it..if she didn't exist anymore..it would solve the problem
And if I COULD SEE..I could easily make the drive to her house...
THANK GOD HE HAD HIDDEN MY GLASSES...
Next morning: FWH: "Were you looking for these?" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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I *love this mimi...it is soooo illustrative of my point.
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I had this thought that if I killed the OW..I would be relieved of this nightmare.. now if THAT isn't a snapshot of going to the mattresses nothing is LOL Mimi Pep
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I think Patriot's initial post highlights, above all else, what a heroic effort is made by the BS in attempting to recover the marriage.
A WS, by definition, has allowed feelings to win out over committment. In a recovery attempt, the BS does the opposite - sticking to committment in the face of intense desires to be destructive and punitive.
I wonder if some WSs find it difficult to imagine that someone could pull against their own emotional gravity, for no reason other than a committment to principle and responsibility? When it's so much easier (in the short term) to give in to the overwhelming feelings of rage and hurt?
I think Noodle's quote shows clearly the black rage that the BS is having to wrestle with, and the fact that so many manage to keep away from the kitchen knives is a testament to self-control.
A few weeks after d-day, I discovered that H and SOW had kindly planted a shrub in our garden, after a romantic visit to a garden centre. I had been remarkably self-disciplined up to then, but this was a discovery too far. I raced out in nightie and slippers, in torrential rain, and dug up the s*dding shrub with maniacal energy. I was drenched, covered in mud and on the verge of absolute loss of control. H watched me wide-eyed from the patio; I think it was the first time he broke out of his coma of self-absorption to see how much anger was inside of me.
Somehow, I managed to dig it out properly, get it in a pot and deliver it to an elderly friend for replanting.
(It died. I think my anger shrivelled it.)
TA
"Integrity is telling myself the truth. And honesty is telling the truth to other people." - Spencer Johnson
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TA:
I must have looked much like you that night. I felt crazed..if not crazy....
It really struck a nerve with my H. I bet it did yours, too.
It helped him to appreciate what major psychological work it took for me to contain those feelings day to day during early recovery.
A large part of him was GUILTY..still is..so he was almost waiting and expecting me to LASH OUT at him..PULL OUT THE KITCHEN KNIFES <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />..but I didn't..he felt he DESERVED it...
For my H, my EMOTIONAL CONTAINMENT during early recovery increased even more the huge amount of RESPECT for me that was established while working the MB PLANS...
I found that I was ENRAGED even moreso at the FOW because she never seemed to have any REMORSE...
I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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(It died. I think my anger shrivelled it.)
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Isn't it interesting how we will assign meaning to things said by others in relation to our self-perception?
This is what I have learned from this conversation, & another conversation I've been having in real life.
Must make a mental note of this... I am certain it will be of use later.
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I had this thought that if I killed the OW..I would be relieved of this nightmare..
You get it..if she didn't exist anymore..it would solve the problem and A large part of him was GUILTY..still is..so he was almost waiting and expecting me to LASH OUT at him..PULL OUT THE KITCHEN KNIFES <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />..but I didn't..he felt he DESERVED it...
For my H, my EMOTIONAL CONTAINMENT during early recovery increased even more the huge amount of RESPECT for me that was established while working the MB PLANS...
I found that I was ENRAGED even moreso at the FOW because she never seemed to have any REMORSE... I could have written this. My husband was planning to divorce because he thought surely I would try to kill him when I found out.
[color:"#39395A"]***Well, it's sort of hard to still wonder if you were consolation prize in the midst of being cherished.*** - Noodle[/color]
Devastation Day: Aug 26, 2004 [color:"#2964d8"]"I think we have come out on the other side... meaning that we love each other more than we ever did when we loved each other most." [/color] [color:"#7b9af7"] ~Archibald MacLeish[/color]
Very Happily Married Me FBS - 44 Him FWS - 51 I married him all over again, May 07
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[from believer]
Well, I'll leave this one to Noodle.
But I do see some truth in what you write. One of my biggest heroines here is Aussies Wife. She and her husband have recovered, and even brought Mikey into the world. She is always around to help WW's, giving excellent support and advice. Still she beats herself up for past errors.
At some point, the past is the past. I forget if you are a Christian or not, but the Lord tells us that our sins will be forgiven, and forgotten as if they had never happened. Wait! You forgot the addendum.... our sins will be forgiven, and forgotten as if they had never happened... unless we're members of of the 3% percent club.
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