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I KNOW I'm taking valuable time from those BS's who are new here, and need so much more help than me, and I appreciate y'all checking up on me. I'm so sorry I don't have better tidings right now. I wish I did...


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Helping you is just as valuable as helping the newbies. Plan B is very difficult, mainly because there is very little to report if you are doing a dark Plan B.

Maybe we should start another Plan B thread for everyone to check in at.

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plan B hurts because my H gets to be with the person he's "in love with" and i can't see or talk to the person i love

he's got someone to hold him and tell him it's going to be okay....someone he's planning a future with

and all i've got is memories of what we had and dreams of the future we had planned that's not going to happen now

so i understand why we all need support during plan B

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Just reminding you that the E-Mail is CONTACT from him.. that results in the emotional pain for you...it did for me each and every time that it happened..like a sword in your HEART..I know...

(((SL)))


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I know about the contact, and sometimes it hurts and others it's like nothing...I'm hoping that we won't have much more to discuss after him moving his things out. On one hand, I need my space, and on the other, it's just reinforcment of the true nature of our R; he's gone.


I wish there were some magic words that made me feel better about this situation; I know there are not. The likelihood of divorce gets higher and higher with every day apart. What a mess we've made.

I do appreciate you all listening in; it's really the only time that I have to get support anymore. Every day I have a chance to have a good day, and with the support that you give, it gives me that extra something to get through.

I was just feeling a little lower than normal this weekend.

I was asking myself why I would want to remain married to a man that would continually hurt me in the ways that he has? The truth is, the more time passes, the more I know that I wouldn't...


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Bad weekend huh, my weekend didn't go the way I had hoped but this is not about me its about you. Sending you lots of cyber HUGS. I agree with believer we are all here because we need help. Those that are in plan b need extra TLC from there cyber friends because we are not getting it from the one we love. All of us around here are brothers and sisters in the pain of infidelity. So we have to stick together. I also agree with you about reading other peoples post it helps me, sometimes someone will post something to them and its what I needed to hear. That is why I think this web site is so great.


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SL,

Saying hi.

You know you are making the RIGHT choice.

As hard as it is you are doing the right thing. I cannot imagine what you are going through right now. Just know that to your son you are and will be a hero.

By the way making the right choice is what determines what type of people we are. Sometimes doing the right thing is the hardest thing to do.

All the best.


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I was asking myself why I would want to remain married to a man that would continually hurt me in the ways that he has? The truth is, the more time passes, the more I know that I wouldn't...

SL, I struggle with this one but remind myself of the difference between my wife and this WW person. I am confident that my wife is still in there somewhere, and all the hurt is the action of the WW and the insanity of the affair (and whatever other demons she's dealing with). I don't know how much that works for you. I know it's incredibly difficult to keep that up all the time.

Do you think the guy you fell in love with is still in there somewhere? Separating all of the Fog-induced actions, do you want that guy back?

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I just wanted to chime in, say hi, and offer my support. I really appreciate the support you have given me on my thread and hope I can do the same for you.

I completely understand the back and forth feeling. One part wanting ANYTHING, even crumbs, just a glance or a word, anything....to know you are still something in their lives, and the other needing to escape them and get out of this trap we have found ourselves in, all of WH doing. Knowing that if this is truly who they have become, they are no longer good for us....but wondering and hoping that this is not what they have become and they will one day see how important we are to them. The hardest for me is feeling like I am absolutely nothing to him when he was everything to me.

I have no words of wisdom for you....just an ear when you need one. I understand what you are feeling....I'm right there with you.

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Thanks for the support!

I get it. I really do. That WAYWARD thing. It sux, and it takes a lot from me, when I allow it. Some things must be done, some things must be dealt with, and so I do. That doesn't make the tasks easier.

Again, I still sometimes, not often, wonder WHAT HAPPENED? That was what happened this weekend. It started Friday night, and just wouldn't let go. Even my life is ALIEN to me. I'll get used to it, but some weeks go more smoothly than others. Heck, even I'M ALIEN to myself now and then.

I was talking to my supervisor today, who I am friends with, and his SIL has been going through a rough time this past year. She and her H were having problems; Him working too much, her wanting that to change, him --well he believed it would al blow over. It didn't; she filed for D. Well, now, about 6 mos later, she is having a nervous breakdown. She has three kids and during all of this mayhem, she sold her house (which her H then promptly purchased) and moved into a new, smaller home. I know that she piled waaaay too much onto her own plate with all of this.

Talking to my friend today, I realized that things are moving at a much slower pace for me, but I KNOW that the anguish that all BS's suffer could land us in the hospital...

I think talking to my friend about this has helped me to put my own existence into perspective. I really feel for his SIL and told him so. I could be that woman, in the hospital, hitting bottom, but I NARROWLY escaped that fate. Hearing about this took me back to Dday#1, and how crazed I felt and probably acted. I'm so far from that now, and so grateful that I had the help that I found here...


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OK, this is Looooooong, but OH SO POWERFUL, and REAL. I cannot believe this is from my H, today, January 29th, 2007. This is my H, the one I told you guys about. Now what do I do?



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I did not mean to sound disrespectful. I'm sorry it came off that way. It looks like I'll be able to come by Thursday, so if you could leave the house open, I'll do what I can with the time that I have. I'll mostly be working on smaller items as it will only be me moving stuff. If the big stuff has to move, I'll have to wait until I can get some help to relocate.

OK, now I want to say something. I've been thinking a lot about things and trying to find a way to talk to you, but I haven't been sure how to approach it. I've been trying to figure out how to read the messages I've been getting from you with regards to moving my stuff out and, on the surface, it seemed that you really want me to clear out and disappear, but I don't think you do. If you would rather be welcoming me back home, let's talk about that. It's time for me to stop being silent. Here are a few thoughts I put together in light of recent events and feelings:

I'm sorry about what happened with the tm last week. Once again I feel embarrassed and awkward. I'm sorry for more than just that, though. I have wronged you in so many ways and then things like that happen that don't help the situation. I guess everything happens for a reason. I'm hoping that reason was to give me a reason to talk to you. I know you don't believe I would do anything like that deliberately. Truth of the matter is that I've been thinking about you/us a lot over the past couple months. I have kept my feelings to myself because I've been trying to determine if what I feel was only because I longed for the holidays or if I truly longed for you. Now, I'm worried that the timing of this message will be in question, with you recently pushing me to gather my belongings, but I don't want it to devalue my message never the less. I wanted to send you a happy birthday greeting last week (happy birthday, btw, better late than never, eh?), but I wasn't sure how it would be received. Frankly, I'm not sure how this will be received, but I'm sending it anyway because I have to know if you still hold out any hope for us or if I should accept the consequences of my actions and move on.

But, I could also say that 'accepting' that is just another instance of me taking it without any fight. I miss you, Carole. I miss our family (even Lucas, lol). I miss your smile and your laugh and bringing those out in you. I miss your silly jokes, your goofy mannerisms. I miss your longing looks, your warmth. I want to be more than just a co-parent, more than a signature at the bottom of a separation agreement. I want you to know that our 15 years means more than what I've diminished it to. I want to be that good man you talked about when we spoke on the phone last month. I am that good man. I am still your husband; I am still the man you fell in love with; I am still the man that swore to forever cherish you. You know me better than anyone does or ever will. I weep every time I read that part in one of your previous letters about how you hope that I’m still making you laugh somewhere in your dreams. Forget the dreams, I want to be making you laugh in real-life. I am putting myself out there for you now, Carole. It's my turn to show you what you are worth. It's my turn for actions. Even though this is just an email, it is an action; an action that I hope is a first step toward something better.

I talked to Bill last week, and even though he said he didn't like to talk about it, he still holds out hope for us. You certainly seemed to when last we spoke. So, I am asking you now...am I too late? Have I done too much damage? All I know is that through all of this, working things out with you is the only thing that has seemed to make sense. And not just because it's the 'right thing to do', but because I have realized how important and valuable what we had really is--I am not whole without you (Minime, you complete me). I had questioned whether it really was possible to have met someone so early in my life and have that sustain throughout. I am a believer now more than ever. I know it sounds like I'm over-simplifying it, but it really is simple. I think all it takes is for us to reaffirm what we know to be true.

Love is enough.

xxxxxxxxxxxx I want my baby back. Something else that has helped me to gain sight of what's important is watching DS. I've seen changes in him and I can tell those are a result of the caliber of mother that you are. He and I have fun together, but there's been many times when I wish you were there with us to share those moments. I think I've been doing pretty well as a dad. I have my moments where I lose patience with him, and I know that's just a part of parenting, but I've been working on things like that personally. I do realize that he'll only be 4 for so long (a mixed blessing) and I do fear what I'm missing out on by not being a part of his everyday life. I embrace having him in my life and I realize how precious and few these years are, not only in his life, but in our lives as parents.

Many challenges lie ahead, but I am able to keep sights on those moments in life that make you realize all the trials are worth it. Those trials are in place to keep things in perspective. I guess what I'm realizing here is that I will be ok no matter what after this. Having learned what 'this is what it's all about' is about is that all important lesson I sought after. But I don't want to be just 'OK', though...I want what we started out on this journey to be; I want greatness. I want you. I want what I used to take such pride in--a relationship that people envied. I feel silly quoting Yoda, but something has stuck with me after watching Star Wars with DS and that is "Do or do not--there is no try." I'm not about 'trying', I'm about 'doing'. There's no more 'wait and see.' We can work, C, I know it. We did once, but I gave up on it instead of telling you what I needed and vice versa. I know what it will take, and it won't be easy, but you are worth it; WE are worth it. Where are you, movie buddy, the only person who truly f'n gets me? Fact is, I know where you are, but where did I go? In search of something I thought would fulfill me, only to find what I was looking for right where I left it. Well, I sure hope it is, anyway.

I expect you to take this prattling at face value. I’ve given you no reason to take it as anything more than that given my history. But, I’m hoping to change that. Give you reasons to believe in the sincerity of my words. Allow you to open yourself up to me again without fear of rejection. Baby steps, baby steps. How's that for rambling? Except it's not running off at the mouth, it's running off at the heart. You mighta caught a niner in there, maybe I was calling from a walkie-talkie… Dealing with life is all a matter of what you can get used to, and I realize that you've been forced to 'get used to' a life that didn't include me, but I don't want that to be the case. I may be out of my mind here, but you can feel free to write me back if you don't think I am. Think about these words and maybe we can start to talk about more than business. --J


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SL:

WOW.

It may not end plan B. But you are having the desired effect.

Others here can parse for the Fogspeak, but this is good.

Make sure to bump it in the morning....

((((SL))))

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Wow!

That's some letter.

Do you have a list of things you need him to agree to before you will consider taking him back?

Think about taking this nice and slow.


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time to schedule with steve...he helped me through this...he told me to resond to m y H's first overtures briefly.. "get rid of the OW'..click...

sounds like you about on the road, SL...

You see, don't make assumptions... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I've only scanned the letter so far, though..

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I decided to write back, and I said, 'baby steps'.

I am a bit blind-sided right now. I need to calm down, and get some concrete advice, but it does sound fairly fogless...

I don't know how to explain it, but I felt that he was going to reach out to me, but was afraid of how long it would take him...

Now, more advice please...

I told WH in my PBL that I would need him to be transparent, and we would need to BOTH consider counseling (M and IC). I told him I would not be in a R of more than me and him, no third parties, no emotional outsiders.


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Right, thanks mimi, the money will be well worth it... I'l take care of that tomorrow, I get paid tomorrow, so I should have the funds...

Thank you all, please stick close, I have so many miles to go before I sleep...


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I told WH in my PBL that I would need him to be transparent, and we would need to BOTH consider counseling (M and IC). I told him I would not be in a R of more than me and him, no third parties, no emotional outsiders.


I think MC is a must....and IC too.

You are in the "driver's seat".

Ask for everything you need.

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wow

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his letter made ME cry because i so long to hear my H say those words

when we had our false recovery and my H asked to come home, i asked him to tell me what things about ME made him want to be with me....he said some of the same things as your H....he loved my silly songs that i made up just for him and "the boys", he loved my personality that always made him laugh, he loved how excited i got everytime a magazine that sold junk came in the mail....even though i never ended up buying anything".........you get the picture

anyway....for your H to think of all those things that he misses about you, that is wonderful

you must feel so hopeful

i have come to believe through my reading here over the past year, that when plan B does work, it works fairly quickly because the WS realizes that they want you in thier life.....and the OP CAN'T meet thier needs

"you don't know what it's got till it's gone"

(yes, i DO realize how bad this sounds for my situation. As much as i hope....reality can't hide)

i'm happy for you silent

can you afford a call to the harley's? are you willing to ask your H if he will take part in a call session with you?

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SL your Plan B is working!

You may want to jump back in with both feet given what he has wrote to you in his letter but I want to emphasize how important it is to PROCEED VERY, VERY SLOWLY.

He may be sincere or he may just be fishing to see if you are still available. I recieved similar overtures from my WW a couple of months ago and once she saw I was still there for her she pulled back.

As mimi will tell you, this is like a dance and you need to stay very guarded for your own emotional well being.

The letter sounds very promising.

I wish you all the best!!!!

HTW


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((((Silent)))),

I am so happy for you. I hope your WH becomes your H again real soon and stays that way! You deserve it!

It truly gives all of us hope that one day our WS's will wake up and see what they are missing!

I'll be praying for you!!


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