Drac finally called 2 hrs after DD left him a message this am

Again, Mr Cold and Rushed with me. He said, 'I will pick up DSS at 5 if that is ok'

I said 'well if we're not home, I will bring him by when we are finished with our stuff'

Drac 'What do you have going on?'

I just said we had some running around to do. He did NOT like that I did not give him any specifics on what we were doing but did not press for details, just said to call him.

I said we would -bye

This way I can control more of the sitch and have a better chance to have the talk.

I think I will just ask him if we can talk for a minute.

I plan to start with asking him if he knows WHY I am resisting the D and then take it from there down the list of things I discussed with Steve.

The theme and the main point I am trying to convey is that this is about Drac's happiness, his Ideal situation as HE discussed with Steve.

Am going to review it all again in my previous posts and practice.

Am just a bit nervous!

Well, I had the talk w/Drac.

Funny thing was when I asked him why he thinks I am resisting the D, he did say the thinks it is because I love him.

I built on that, using the pre-planned words and focus on his happiness. How we can do it together and have what we had at the beginning, only better, and lasting for a lifetime.

I brought up about how he felt manipulated by Steve and that is was Supposed to be about possibilities for HIS happiness, and if it wasn't what was discussed, I wanted to know.

He said that it felt that way at the time, but perhaps it was a wrong assumption on his part. That I have been upset w/him before on some of his snap judgments, and that 'maybe' the discussion was not a manipulation

He just said that things had changed between us. I asked if he thought my changes were temporary, and he said he wasn't sure sometimes he thinks so, sometimes not. I told him I can not go back to where/how I was before

I talked about how I understand that things had changed. Yes, I understand the HOW and WHY those things happen and that we can, together, change it back to the best ever for both of us. I acknowledged how hi might think the changes I’ve made are temporary, but they are forever.

His happiness is a life long project for me now that I understand my role and responsibility. When we first met, we were not in love, but that I see the circumstances that made us fall in love and what happened to change to again, and we can make it happen again to give him his ideal happiness.

He said again, he has changed. So, I asked, 'so you don't want a lifetime of happiness?'

Drac pauses and then says 'I want happiness. "

Bugs ' so you just don't want it with me?'

Drac 'No. I do NOT want to get back together with you'

Bugs 'That is very sad. There is no one out there willing and able to do for you what I can. I now have the understanding of what it takes and am willing and able to do it for your ideal happiness, my happiness, and for our family.

You may find someone else and it will be great & exciting at first, but you will eventually get to the same place with them, and they won't be able to give you what I can give you right this very minute, and it will happen over and over again. I am not saying this as judging you, but because I know what I am capable of when it comes to us.'

I told him at one point that he has hurt a lot of people. He wanted to know who. I told him that he would eventually deal with them himself., but if he wanted a quick summary, there is me, DD, DSS, his Dad, his family, my family, and friends of ours.

He said his family likes this and they are only worried about $ and themselves. I did not argue. He visited this a couple of times. I told him, I am only going off of what they have said to me, that they thought we were doing really well and that they are sorry to see this happen

He said that DSS tells him that he has Never Been Happier. I said I do not doubt that DSS has said that, as he wants Drac to be happy. Of course, that is what DSS is going to say to him.

I have found out from FIL that Drac thinks I grill DSS about things when I am with him. I do not ask DSS ANYTHING. However, tonight proves that Drac DOES grill DSS on his end.

He said DSS and DD will be JUST FINE depending on how WE handle things. I said, 'and yes, you have made it clear I handle it badly and wrong'

Drac 'well you going over the definition of a girlfriend w/DSS and telling him I spend the night at her house is WRONG. Plus DD heard it, too." (I told DSS that he could tell his dad anything we talk about and apparently he did! 

Bugs 'I won't lie to the kids. The #1 thing I tell them is that I love them and I love you. Did DSS tell you that we focused on how no matter what happens that I will always be his Mom and he will always be my son? Did you hear about how he said he's been thru this before? Did you find out that THIS was the focus of the conversation?'

Drac 'no, that was not discussed'

Bugs 'I thought not. I did tell him about your not going home most nights”

Drac “That’s right. The nights I don’t have MY kids, I don’t go there. I HATE it there and I do everything I can to avoid being there”

There was a pause in the convo, so I had heard enough and said what I wanted to say, so I asked about the kids sitter arrangements for tomorrow night, and asked if he was playing golf. He said he made arrangements for DSS, but not DD, as he did not know if I was going and yes he was playing

I said ' well, I go every year. Did you think I would not go because YOU are going? That would be pretty silly, shallow, and unprofessional of me now wouldn't it'

Drac 'I am just saying it has never come up'

I said 'that reminds me, let me get something before I forget'

I went inside & got the golf balls and gave them to him. He looked surprised, but said thanks. I joked about passing up the pink ones.

I then said. I was going to water the flowers (that he commented on how they were doing better this year than ever before). He said, so we are done?

I said, unless there is something you want to talk about. I stopped and waited with no expression on my face.

Drac “So I basically have 2 choices. We get back together and live happily ever after or we are going to have issue after issue?'

Bugs 'you have as many choices as you like. We CAN live happily ever after. I am confused on the other. What issues?'

Drac 'your telling DSS about MY PRIVATE life'

Bugs' I just won't lie. Sorry'.

Drac is quiet so Bugs says' You have consistently told me what I am going to do, how I am going to act, yet when asked to give examples you never do. I have not F'd you, I have not drug your name thru the mud, I have not FORCED you to sell YOUR home, or any of the mirad of other things you have told me I am going to do'

Drac 'well you say we won't be friends'

Bugs 'That's right. We won't be friends. As you have so adamantly stated, you will have your life and I will have mine. You keep saying it is time to move on. That is the way it will be. We won't hang out or talk about our days. No reason to'

Drac 'but we will still be parents to our kids. There will the things we both will need to go to for them'

Bugs 'yes, we will. But you will go to it living your life and I will go to it living mine. We will not go as one big happy family because we are NOT one big happy family. We won't have events and parties together'

He brought up that I am happy and friendly one time, but then really short another time. “One day you are short, virtually hanging up on me, and then the next night I am getting text messages from you. It is as if dealing with a different Bugs from one time to the next.” (btw, he read the 2 other messages from last night this afternoon, he did not delete them)

I said, I’m sorry you think that, but the truth is, I am always the same person. Sometimes you need to realize it is a reflection of how YOU are with me. You are often very cold and short with me, so I react the same way. Other times, I am merely just very busy, just like you.

I know that there are times when I am feeling hurt, so I will be more curt with you rather than say something wrong. I want to tell you how I feel, how hurt I am, but I figure you don’t want to hear about that so I cut it short.

He brought up again about his family. That I am talking to people when I say that I’m not. He’s heard from his cousin in law how the Aunts all talk on the phone how he is cheating on me, he has a girlfriend and has abandoned me...

I said, I can’t control them. I have never said you abandoned me. That’s not under my control.

He then brought up about me talking to people about him buying a motorcycle. He said he “has one to ride, but hasn’t bought it yet because it scares him”. But that I should have asked HIM about it. He didn’t tell me about it because I’ve told him I don’t want to “know things”

I said, “No, I don’t want to know about your R with other women, as it hurts me terribly. But having a motorcycle is a totally different thing. If I get a call because you have been in a motorcycle accident, I would have thought YOU would have told me that you at least HAD one before I get a call like that”

Drac “Don’t worry, you are still my beneficiary”

Bugs “Drac, I don’t care about the MONEY. If I only cared about the money, life today would be a whole lot different, now wouldn’t it?”

That part came down to him saying that if I wanted to know something I should ask him and he would tell me the truth. (Yeah,,, Ok,,, whatever)

He then went down the court path,,,, wanting to know why I have delayed things?? I told him I have delayed nothing. My A has our response to his offer and he should have it. He said they’d heard nothing. I told him I’d call her tomorrow. He pointed out his A would be at the golf tournament So I said, OK, then he’ll have the info the next day. I have not delayed anything

He complained about having only 30 days to get DSS registered for school. How he didn’t know if he would be living here at this house or what he’d be able to do. All because I won’t discuss things with him about the D.

I replied that I am in the same boat. He rolled his eyes. I told him, I was NOT moving in with my parents, , , I am not sending DD to that school.

He wanted to know why not, as that is where she would have gone had we built our house. I said, that was when we were all going to be there as a FAMILY and it was on the property that YOU wanted. Now I have a choice on the school district and I am choosing a different one.

He wanted to know “what’s the deal with X town anyway? What happened to X school distinct?”

I said that the deal with the town I am looking at is that they have a great school district. I haven’t even looked at the other.

He said “Yes, and it is farther away” I told him it is in fact CLOSER, and he dropped it.

I don’t know about the order of what I have relayed here, but I think I included most of the parts of the conversation.

He finally said that he didn’t know what to say, so I turned and went into the house. I proceeded to water my flowers while he talked to DD. He then went into the kitchen and helped himself to a soda on his way out the door. He explained something to me about the movie DD was watching,,, laughing and joking.

I thanked him AGAIN for taking care of the lawn, touching him and brushing off the grass. Said how nice it looked.

He said he’d see me tomorrow at the tournament, and that he “Likes Bud Select, so keep them cold and keep them coming”

I replied “No problem, but I will be expecting a “special” tip for that kind of service.” , while I leaned in really close.

He laughed and started to walk away, while I said “You can pay up in advance or anytime!”

He looked back laughing... He popped back in the door a minute later asking if he should get DSS’s life vest and the camping things out of the car. I said no, I did not have them all in there ready to go yet.

His B-day presents we shopped for today were in the trunk. I don’t know what DSS was thinking!!

So, that is where I am. He KNOWS that it is the love I have for him that keeps me from the D. He knows of the changes I’ve made. He sees it, yet hangs on to the A like a life preserver.

We are at Plan B initiation time. As with every other BS, the timing is a concern. We are schedule led to go to court next Mon. My lawyer has advised me against giving him a no contact communication in writing as to not hurt my legal status.

Thoughts, observations, 2 x 4’s??

huh?

I have no idea how to respond to this ...

your Plan A is awesome!

Thanks, Pep, that really means a lot to me coming from you!


During some of these interactions, it FEELS like I may not have done such a good job, because of the things that Drac says to me. He is sometimes just SO out there,,,, the alien mind at work, that it is easy to doubt MYSELF and my actions.

After conversations like this with Drac, I always look back and think of things I should have said. For instance when he was telling me it was wrong to tell DSS about the "girlfriend", I SHOULD have said "It's not wrong to tell the truth, what is WRONG is that you even HAVE a girlfriend". But, I think my hesitancy to possible LB keeps me from saying those things.

As far as the lawyer saying not to give him a letter,,,,,, she is concerned that it could be used against me in trying to prove that I am "uncooperative" when it comes to co-parenting and that kind of thing. Not that it holds any legal water, but rather could be interpreted in a negative way by the court.

So, last night I did send Drac a TM, about getting that "tip" in advance. No response, no surprise. He dropped DSS off at the house this am, but did not come in. I am working for a few hours this am before heading off to the golf tournament. It's going to be REALLY hot today. However, the Goddess is prepared! I brought supplies to clean up and refresh before the dinner tonight! That reminds me, yesterday during the talk with Drac, I was looking GOOD!! I also took a couple of opportunities to reach out and touch him, brushing off his clothes. Funny, he didn't pull away at all like he has sometimes.

The joking with me as he left yesterday really confuses me,,,,,,,,,,,,

I just now have to decide when to lay the PBL on him. Before court? After Court? Give it to him for a birthday present on Thursday???

Open to ideas and suggestions!

Bugs,

He's going to try to tear you down any chance he gets, again he is trying to convince himself. Also, he thinks that if he can get you to give up and give him what he wants his life would be so much better. Then that same thought scares him so he turns around and acts nice and friendly/loving.

He will do this right up until the end.

Also, if you make communication guidelines clear in your plan B letter I don't see how that can look badly on you. Did your lawyer read your plan B letter?

Awesome. Just awesome.
You have just an innate ability to understand and implement Plan A.
If you're feeling unable to Plan A, then avoid.
Good luck at the golf tourney!
Be flirtacious. In front of him, including him, but not excluding others. (my opinion)

Personally?

I would have taken it a step farther...

When he he said "well you said we won't be friends"
I would have given him a total picture of divorce-world.

Yes, Drac. That is what I mean. No more chatting on the phone. No more text messages. We can e-mail any arrangements about the kids. I will move. You will not come by for visits. I will heal and move on. Eventually I will find someone else. I don't think I'll be alone for long. He will be my partner in everything including raising DD. (waywards greatly fear being replaced by a better person!)

Can you hang in there until after court? What exactly happens on Monday? Is it just preliminary? Will you have future court dates? Because if so, then there is no need to wait. It will become part of the court process regardless of the timing. If this is the one and only court appearance, then waiting makes sense....

Hey Lexxx!

I thought about taking him down that full look at post D life, but had the feeling it would have been interpreted as 'threats' and with my focus of THIS conversation wanting to be about how HE can be happy, I chose not to go there.

The court dat Mon is the first one - a 'status' type hearing from what I understand to see if we are going to be able to come to an agreement or if we will to to trial for final decisions.

He has yet to get the counter offer from me. I expect blow back when he does. He won't like the numbers at all! Like every other WS, they think this should be FREE for them. His offer was not based in reality, which is the LAST place a WS likes to be!

Bugs:

If there ever was an IDEAL MBer's SCENARIO, IMO you have it!

You've demonstrated your changes in PLAN A, you've voiced them, he's heard you, he knows about MBer's Concepts, having talked to Steve, he knows that you love him, he feels an obligation to you ( mother of his children, beneficiary of his insurance policy), wants to continue to be your friend and drop over (keep the Beer in the fridge)..ALMOST PERFECT..AWESOME...



I think this CAPTURES where he is and the AFFAIR ADDICTION. He's LIVING IN THE PRESENT, waiting for his next fix. I remember Steve telling me: SHE HAS HIS PRESENT, YOU HAVE HIS PAST, NOW HE NEEDS TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A FUTURE WITH YOU.... In your last Plan A days, focus on your past and give him further indications of what the FUTURE will be like with you.

CAUSE..SHE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS UP..In PB, she will demonstrate who she REALLY is..and he will not have you for relief..he will not be able to rehash the PAST with her..she will not be able to participate in conversations about the job..and she will not know how you have been setting yourself up as the PRIZE for his future..so as she LBs..he will have his VISION of you with the BEERS in the fridge...

I read this section in my ART OF SEDUCTION book and thought of your situation and what's going on with your WH now...This captures what the OW is doing now...I know YUCK..but it shows the PRESENT FOCUS that is providing the ECSTACY now that he is SPEAKING ABOUT..his PRESENT HAPPINESS...



HE CAN'T LIVE LIKE THIS DAY TO DAY without beginning to feel crazy..but THE ESCAPE is what is intoxicating for him right now..he speaks of this in the conversation above with you...

The stage is set now, Bugs..

Make sure that you are EMOTIONALLY READY..because you will miss him terribly and will go through WITHDRAWAL from him...

To quote Pep. [color:"green"] Egg Zak Lee [/color]

Daze,

I see that you are right, in that he wants me to give up. What he really wants is for me to agree to HIS vision of how things should be. He gets to go his way, have the party life with the Ho, and still for us to be FRIENDS so that he continues to get the best of me when he wants it.

Thanks for the insight,,,,, that he will do that back & forth to the end. I have to get my MIND and EMOTIONS around that so that I don't allow him to lure me away from or out of Plan B.

No, my lawyer hasn't seen my PBL. I don't know if I will give it to her or not, but I will be letting her know about it before I give it to him.

Mimi,

Steve has told me the same thing he told you about the past, present, and future! That reminder will help me put together the plans for these last days of Plan A. With his birthday coming up, the references to the past will be something I can incorporate, as well as some future looking tidbits.

I did find the PERFECT birthday card, to my HUSBAND, which speaks about how REAL love takes hard work and understanding.

Your quote out of The Art of Seduction,,,,,,,, well I have to tell you that as hard as that was to read in thinking in terms of Drac & the Ho,,,, I DO appreciate your having shared it. As we have discussed before, it is important in WAR to know and understand as much as you can about your ENEMY. This really does help give me insight to that,,, as much as it makes my stomach turn!

I know that no matter how much I "think" I am ready, Plan B will be HARD. I know I will miss him VERY VERY much,,, even though he isn't H right now, and I don't want DRAC full time for the rest of my life. The urge to call, email, tm, just to have some connection will be very hard.

Yet, as Drac has reminded me, I can be one very determined woman when I choose to be!

Am trusting God for the strength, along with family, friends, and MB!

I do know I can not continue the way things have been. If I do, I will end up doing a premature Plan FU and will ruin the hard work of the last 6 months.

I REFUSE to let that happen. I REFUSE do do something to hand Drac over to the Ho on a silver platter. I know this is not a typical 'competition' situation,,,,but it is enough of one that my competitive nature makes me determined to WIN. Does that make sense?

I am going to my sister's in KY this weekend. We are having a family trip w/all my siblings and staying at a lake down there with her boyfriend. I am thinking perhaps the PBL before that??? But then I will have to see him again in court on Mon, so don't know if that would be the best timing. I think I need to go dark at a time when I won't HAVE to see him for some time.

?????

YOUR PLAN WILL BE TO NOT SEE HIM AT ALL...until he ends his A..

Get everything IN ORDER so this can be ACCOMPLISHED!!

After court seems PERFECT...

I wonder if you make a shout out to Mortarman if he will help you. I haven't seen him around here very much lately but he is the PLAN B PRO on the forum, IMO.

He kept me on the STRAIGHT AND NARROW and WHIPPED me when I was a BAD GIRL.

Thx Mimi!

Will see if we can get Mortarman to ck in here as I go dark. I definately will need lots of help to walk the path of darkness.

May be time for a new thread when I turn out the lights!

Am going to plan for PBL delivery after next Monday.

Now that is decided, will get working on specific end of Plan A actions. Drac's bday being a highlight.

Well, am off to the links for the afternoon.

Will try to ck in later with an update

Mimi:

Threadjack:

He kept me on the STRAIGHT AND NARROW and WHIPPED me when I was a BAD GIRL.

PLEASE!

TMI!

Threadjack over!

LG

But LG...

I BELIEVE in being OPEN AND HONEST!

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Yes, makes sense to me, but others don't always agree.

My competitive nature also kept me determined in my plans, so I don't see that as a bad thing. Sometimes you have to hold onto whatever you can to keep some semblance of sanity in this very insane time.

If not a COMPETITION, certainly a BATTLE against the FORCES OF EVIL....

Bear with me for a bit more church..I wanted to post this to ya yesterday but I didn't have chance...

These are some of the verses that helped me through those DARK PLAN B NIGHTS...



HAVING DONE ALL, TO STAND, Bugsy...That's the place you get to at the end of PLAN A...

I got to that place where I handed my H over to GOD, having done ALL that I possibly could do. He went into the DEVIL'S LAIR and came out...cause he was certainly LOST...

Now he thanks me, saying that he had to GO THERE to find out for himself how it is IN THE PITS OF HE//...

And saying here to you... what was said to me... and needs to be said elsewhere..

Before going into the PLAN B BATTLE, be prepared to NOT CONTACT HIM..no matter what is going on in HIS LIFE...of course, contact him if there is an emergency with your children...

Be able to stick by your commitment to NOT CONTACT HIM unless he ENDS HIS R WITH THE OW...UNTIL HE "GETS RID OF HER" as Steve said to me..

You sound DETERMINED, Bugsy..but make sure you are READY...

Yes, call out to Mortarman. He has been giving me great guidance ( maybe that's why you haven't seen him <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

Hey everyone!

Thanks, Mimi, for the scripture and advice. My oldet sister quoted me that EXACT scripture at the very beginning of my sitch and it has stuck with me thoughout!

Determined vs Ready,,,, yes can be 2 different things. I have been thinking about that.

Eph,,,, have you been monopolizing MM's time and attention?! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You know I check on you every day,,,,,sending prayers and strength to you my friend. I think Mimi's words are good for you as well. You have seemed hesitant,,, but that's ok if you are making sure you are ready! Hang in there.

So,,,,, to the subject of TODAY. I got to the course when the golfers were lined up getting ready to go out on the course. I saw Drac back in the line, but did not go see him.

I did my USUAL,,,,,spent time with co-workers, went to see folks I knew in the front of the line, schmoozed with the customers. Then, they were out on the course.

It wasn't long,,,about an hour, I had just gone out on the course in a cart when the horn sounded. There were thunderstorms in the area and enough lightening within 4 miles of the course that they called everyone in.

Drac's group on the East course went to a place out on the course. I was back at the clubhouse. I socialized. Had SEVERAL folks I don't see often make a point to tell me how GREAT I looked, and they asked after my well being. Lots of hugs and compliments that made me feel really good.

It never did really storm at the course,,, in fact, we barely had any rain, but there was lightening around that prevented us going back out. Eventually, they called it and we headed in for dinner.

I had gotten a drink early, before the crowd came in and the line became long. Now, at this time, I had seen Drac, but kept up with what I was doing and did not seek him out. He was in the drink line, and I was busy helping attend to prizes and dinner organization, along with socializing.

I was talking to a group of folks when I felt a touch on my arm. I turned. It was Drac with a drink for me in his hand. I took it and he gave me a hug.

It took me by surprise. We stood and talked for a minute. The whole thing was for SHOW on his part. But I didn't let it reflect on my attitude, my face,. or my demeanor. I was THE light and breezy GODDESS of the toournament.

I kept busy, then went outside for a bit. Just before that I looked around and did not see Drac. Came back in and he was not there. Not sure when he left, but he did not even stay for dinner.

I finished up the event and swung by the Ho's house. Drac was not there. Her car was there, but I could not tell if she was home or not. I then swung by FIL's house,,,, Drac wasn't there either.

I RARELY, if ever do that, but felt compelled to do so tongiht. I am sure he had her out somewhere. I had called his cell when I left the tournament, but he did not answer. I should have let that be my indication of where he was. Oh well.

Picked up DD from the sitter and she was HOT with fever! Brought her home, got her to take `1/2 of her meds and then let her call Drac. She had to leave a VM. He called back within 5 minutes and they talked.

I got on and asked "What happened to you?"

He said he'd had enough and left. He then proceeded to explain to me the "issues" with the day that he had. Someting about being left off of the team he was supposed to be on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the woman who organizes most of this is a VERY good friend of mine and he intimated that she might have had something to do with it. I told him that it was my understanding that she did not put the teams together this year. He still stuck with thinking she did something.

THEN, he tells me he KNOWS that someone else put the teams together???????????????? Good lord! How confused IS his brain?

He told me that he left "ran some errands, took the golf clubs he borrowed back to his friend C and was headed home".

Yeah, whatever,,,,,,,,,,

He then went on about the day. That he tought it stunk, that we "are a better company than that". Then asked my opinion.

I told him that as I was not involved as a player, etc, I really could not comment on all of it as I experienced it differently than he did.

He mentioned that the first person he saw is a guy who works for us that he does not like who made some kind of comment about his lack of golf skills. Now THIS is the SAME guy who confronted the HO very bluntly months ago when he was working at the other company about how she was "f'ing" her boss (Drac).

Now, granted, this guy is not one of my favorites, but Drac went on and on about what a POS this guy is. He then asked how the guy was with me. He said it would not surprise him if the guy had said something rude to me about our sitch.

I told him, frankly, he was very nice. We talked about his kids, he told me how he had been an SOB to his first wife (a woman I had worked with in the past), and that the biggest mistake of his life was divorcing her, etc. He really was very nice.

Drac did not like that at all.

Then, we started to wind down the conversation. I said, "well, I am sorry I did not get a chance to serve you a beer"

He replied something about being stuck out on the course with another female co-worker of ours that he does not like, and having beers with her. (BTW, she is a friend of mine)

So, I said, "Well, gosh darn it! I am mad that I didn't get a chance to earn that TIP I was looking for!!! I am in DESPERATE need of "tips" these days"

Drac "Well, you certainly had enough willing particpants around you from what I saw"

Bugs "You think so? Well, willing just does not cut if for me. I am VERY selective, in case you haven't noticed"

Drac is quiet for a bit and then says,,,, "Well,,, you have a good night"

Bugs "Sweetie, you be careful driving home"

And that was it. I got DD to sleep, still running a fever, so I'll be up for a while checking on her.

OH<<<<<<almost forgot!! Drac's Attorney was a golfer today as well! I made a point during the delay to go up and introduce myself to him, saying "Yes you are helping my H divorce me next week"

He looked embarassed, and then commented something about how he did not think I would mind their having changed the court date since I would be at the tournament, too. I told him I was ready for whichever date, that's fine,,,,,,,,,,,,well, no it's NOT fine, but whatever. He looked very uncomfortable, so I walked away and let him off the hook. Guess I really can't blame him, as he is doing the job he was hired to do.

Later in the evening, I was sitting at the same table he was, joking and talking to other people there. I think he was surprised, and observant,,,,,,

So, any comments/insights/observations I need to be aware of??

I forget who says this, but Bugs, you RAWK!! Excellent. (I LOVED the part about the attorney. LOL)

((Bugs))