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The ? that made recovery possible: "Which lovebuster do I do the most that hurts the worst"?

The statement that signaled my personal recovery and the turning point in our marriage recovery: "I don't need to be married that badly!"

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I know that people repeatedly told me "just leave" and it is just not that easy. I also know that I lost friends--even some family--because I wouldn't just leave. I can not put my finger on it, but there was stuff that I needed to learn (stuff about me, stuff about anger, stuff about what's appropriate and what's not) before I was ABLE to leave...and then when I learned it and I was ready, lots of folks weren't there for me anymore.

Soooo...as a person who has survived DV I just want to say this to all the friends and family out there who wonder, "Why doesn't he/she just leave!!??"

PLEASE HANG IN THERE!! Please don't get frustrated and stop being his or her friend just because they keep going back! Please don't think that continuing to be there and continuing to support a healthy SAFE life isn't helping, because it is. IT IS!! It's just harder to go than a "normal" person with self-esteem might imagine. Please be patient. Please wait. The day will come when he or she finally gets it and is strong enough to actually leave, and they WILL need you there to just be a friend. In my opinion, your job, as a TRUE friend, is to keep being his or her friend until they are safe...and that is a high calling and it's hard. Keep at it!




How do i get my family/friends to see this..... they are soooo against me trying to make my marriage work... i feel that i need to give it atleast ONE try... i got a pfa against him because it's what my family wanted me to do.. to get him out of my house... and i understand their concerns... but it's not what i truly wanted <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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MEDC- Can you read my thread about STBXH's comments and give me your thoughts?

I know it's like Sky said Charm to harm!

I'm a little nervous today, but I'll be fine!

I guess that's the heighten sense of awareness...being on guard, just in case...I really don't think that he'll be that stupid, he doesn't want to get in trouble with the police, but just to be on the safe side!

Thanks, I appreciate it!


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sorry... see last paragraph.. i couldn't figure out how to quote someone and reply to it... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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MEDC- Can you read my thread about STBXH's comments and give me your thoughts?

I know it's like Sky said Charm to harm!

I'm a little nervous today, but I'll be fine!

I guess that's the heighten sense of awareness...being on guard, just in case...I really don't think that he'll be that stupid, he doesn't want to get in trouble with the police, but just to be on the safe side!

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I was JUST going to request the same thing.

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I went back to Oct. and was reading my thread...

KA, Mulan, and several others had tried warning me but I didn't want to hear it...the whole book burning things...

I just didn't want to hear it!


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You know, I never told you Strivn, but my exH did the same thing your STBXH did--he burned my books!

Seriously!

He shredded my journals for all the years of our marriage (in a frenzy, he tore them to shreds), and in our bedroom, in the middle of the floor, he set fire to SAA, HN/HN, Dr. Phil and TVAR. I was afraid the house would catch fire!!

Ladies--I didn't leave the day after all my books burned either. I did not want to be divorced and I really kept HOPING and HOPING that he meant it! Besides that, he was good at confusing me, so lots of times he would just talk RINGS around me and I'd be left feeling like, "WHAT?"

It was 8 months AFTER he burned my books that I discovered he was involved in yet another cybersex A. That day I just cried and cried--not because of another A, but because I knew that he would NEVER protect me and if I didn't do it myself, I would never be able to trust MYSELF. I was sad that I could not trust him, but I was afraid of what would happen to ME (my core personality) if I could not trust MYSELF. I think I would have melted away and completely become like his puppet or something.

I don't think it's that we don't want to hear it. I think we don't want to give up the illusion--the illusion that we cling to so tightly--that we are loved. I did not want to admit that yet again, someone was purposely making choices that were not loving. Yet again, I was not loved...and if I wasn't loved, that meant I was unloveable. And THAT is what I didn't want to hear. I would have put up with abuse for FOREVER if I had been able to maintain that illusion of being loved.

It's odd isn't it--how sick that is? I have NO IDEA why I couldn't see it then...but I couldn't. Now I do.


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I don't think it's that we don't want to hear it. I think we don't want to give up the illusion--the illusion that we cling to so tightly--that we are loved. I did not want to admit that yet again, someone was purposely making choices that were not loving. Yet again, I was not loved...and if I wasn't loved, that meant I was unloveable. And THAT is what I didn't want to hear. I would have put up with abuse for FOREVER if I had been able to maintain that illusion of being loved.

HA, you nailed it for me! You really said what I could not say for myself...the illusion...

Coming from a sexual abusive childhood...I thought a one point sex was love...

I began to see that he wouldn't protect me...chose not to look at the cell bill anymore...knowing the whole time that he was going to talk to OW...whether I liked it or not...

It was really hard to come to terms with...I began believing that he was rebelling, calling her on purpose just to show me that he could...

I didn't even realize my fear until I started learning about DV and VA...and it was hard to admit that I was fearful...first I realized that I was scared to bring my books in the house, or when I did I would hide them...

I started deleteing my history on the computer, so he wouldn't see me here...HE was NOT happy that I visited here...compared it to his porn of all things...

I told him that his porn was hurting our M and MB was meant to help...I refused to give this up and hid it...sometimes would only get on it at work and if he came by, I would close it or minimize the screen...

I just felt like I was trapped...I was questioning the VA when I left...then a few days later TVAR, which I had send to work arrives, I think I read the first two pages three times before I could move on...

It wasn't until I was in my safe place that I started reading the book...

That reminds me, I had found some questionnaires, and we were suppose to each fill it out, one section at a time...I did my section, and he started his, but we got into an argument while we were in bed and he went into the living room and tore his up, leaving the paper all over the floor...

It sat there for days before I picked it up, I taped it back together and hid it...biggest fear...losing his family! Guess he should have DONE something different about that!

I keep questioning myself too, why did I see this so long ago...I just got back from my DV support group and they were saying that you have to forgive yourself and not do that in order to move forward...

Right now, I'm not sure how to do that...I keep going back to the beginning and thinking if I didn't do this or I brought this to the R...it's my abusive childhood...because I didn't know any better...

And I know that I can't do that, but it sure doesn't stop it...I'm scared that my next R will be abusive...how will I know that I'm picking someone better, respectful, sincere, loving...how will I be able to see the warnign signs in the future because the last thing I want to do it repeat this [email]cr@p![/email]

I hate talking to him...since last night my day has been up and down...I don't know, but it will get better, I just have to believe!

Just keep swimmin, just keep swimmin! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

CJ, you mean alot to me! You really do!


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I've said it before and I will say it again... you ladies are pretty amazing having risen above all this craap. You should all be proud and walk tall.

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