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Suzet, in all honesty, the OM who calls you and calls you after being told NOT TO is a predatory & opportunistic sort of guy... which is NOT to say you are all that "innocent" yourself .... I am saying that this sort of guy who will not take "NO" for an answer must be handled roughly and definitively. Leaving NO DOUBT in his mind that calling you will cause him trouble ...yanno?

Or could he be addicted...in the same way that the WS is addicted?

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one of the big changes in our M is my H is no longer a drunk ... and I am no longer a drunk's wife ... a dynamic change, yanno?


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I'm afraid this is a dynamic that's going to have to change in my M, too.


ouch

how bad it it?

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I am saying that this sort of guy who will not take "NO" for an answer must be handled roughly and definitively.


Yeas, I can vouch for that...I had to get mean and rude before he finally stopped trying to talk to me. It went against my grain but I did what I had to do...I could not let him think for even one second that I had any feelings left for him. Call it OP-bashing if you will! LOL! At the time, that was a lie....but eventually it turned into the truth! Still, I won't get anywhere near him.

He could still be addicted, which is why No Contact/No exceptions is so important.

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it now occurs to me that plan-A might be even more important/effective during withdrawl than during the affiar itself.

there are more than 2 things happening at the same time in some instances .... one instance being when DISCOVERY of the affair happends for the BS at the same time that WITHDRAWL begins for the WS

I think this is where you & I might part ways (philosophically speaking) .... in this instance

I personally could not have plan A'd right after D Day. I was not eating or sleeping. I was crying and yelling mostly. I would stare off into space. I kept losing my way while driving familiar streets. I took 2 weeks off of work because I was not functional.

My H could have been in severe withdrawl and I would not have seen it. I was totally in survival mode for myself. If he had asked me to give him hugs & understanding because he missed the OW, I would NOT have been kind. (putting it mildly, LOL)

If your husband was able to even ~try~ to reach out to you & comfort you immediately after D Day, he is to be commended for this indeed.

Is it not equally incumbent for the WS to put aside their withdrawl and comfort the BS in his/her pain?

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there are more than 2 things happening at the same time in some instances .... one instance being when DISCOVERY of the affair happends for the BS at the same time that WITHDRAWL begins for the WS

I think this is where you & I might part ways (philosophically speaking) .... in this instance

I wonder if it's a philosophical parting, or a "circumstantial" parting.... Read on...

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I personally could not have plan A'd right after D Day. I was not eating or sleeping. I was crying and yelling mostly. I would stare off into space. I kept losing my way while driving familiar streets. I took 2 weeks off of work because I was not functional.

My H could have been in severe withdrawl and I would not have seen it. I was totally in survival mode for myself.

I get this. Completely. It sounds as though you had NO IDEA anything was amiss until d-day, am I right?

In my case, it was basicly the opposite. My H learned about the affair 2 or 3 weeks AFTER I told him I didn't love him and thought I wanted to split-up. He was already focused on all the rotten things he'd been doing, so when he found out I had cheated, he was in the mindset of "I've been making this woman miserable for years", and I think he wasn't even that surprised.

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If he had asked me to give him hugs & understanding because he missed the OW, I would NOT have been kind. (putting it mildly, LOL)

Well, I've always thought it was odd that FWS are encouraged to share their withdrawl struggles with their BS. I couldn't imagine heaping that insult on top of the injury. I may have been sad and distant during withdrawl... but I sure didn't tell my H it was b/c I was missing OM.

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If your husband was able to even ~try~ to reach out to you & comfort you immediately after D Day, he is to be commended for this indeed.

I agree.

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Is it not equally incumbent for the WS to put aside their withdrawl and comfort the BS in his/her pain?

Yes. It is. In my case, my H didn't share his pain with me very much. I did the best I could when he did.

And don't forget that it was just a couple of weeks after d-day that I learned about my H's porn addiction. Yet another complicating factor.

That's what I mean by "circumstantial". So many factors can come into play.

--The timing and manner of discovery.
--The state of the marriage before the affair, and who played what role in making it that way.
--The feelings of the WS toward the BS (those who say they never stopped loving their BS vs those who had nothing but resentment for them)
--Basic personality of the individuals involved.

I think all of those factors and others will affect how people react to d-day... and deal with the fallout afterward.

So, back to my original point -- that plan-A is important during withdrawl. I guess I should ammend my position to say: If you can manage to pull off plan-A during withdrawl, it might improve your chances for recovery. But if can't manage it, certainly nobody's going to fault you. (How's that?)

As for your other question. He's what I believe is refered to as "functional".

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He's what I believe is refered to as "functional".


Are you saying that your marriage is no longer suffering a lack of intimacy due to booze or porn?

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So, back to my original point -- that plan-A is important during withdrawl. I guess I should ammend my position to say: If you can manage to pull off plan-A during withdrawl, it might improve your chances for recovery. But if can't manage it, certainly nobody's going to fault you. (How's that?)


who is you? the BS or the WS?

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He's what I believe is refered to as "functional".


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Are you saying that your marriage is no longer suffering a lack of intimacy due to booze or porn?

No. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he goes to work every day. He's not a raging maniac. He's not falling down drunk in public.

(I was refering to the BS as "you")


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