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Arghhhhhh! Bloody woman <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I have received a letter from Family mediation today after I collected my mail from the previous address I was staying at. My WW told me that she had planned a meeting for us so we could both attend. Somehow getting this letter really drives it home. She won't speak to Steve Harley even who a friend of ours has offered to pay the costs. I'm forcing her to do something she doesn't want to do. But now she can push me to mediation, something I don't want to do.

Help needed here. Do I go or do I hold my position and make her take me to court.


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Was it a letter, or a summons?

If it was a summons, show up, do the minimum you have to do, and make sure you've got a solicitor to cover your back.

If it was a letter, I don't know that there's an obligation for you to attend, is there? Simply reply that this time won't work for you...and continue to do that for as long as you need to. I'd still consider getting a solicitor to make sure that you're legally covered, but that doesn't mean that you're willing to move along into a divorce.

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H&F,

It is good you are reviewing those books. Read them well. They will be helpful. LMBT will help you with plan B even if it is by another author.

As for the mediation. Get your facts, representation and secure your finances then GO to the mediation. You have nothing to hide. Make sure it goes on record that there is an A driving the WS' request. You can point out that you, your family (if you have no children, include pets), even friends and relatives have noticed scary changes as she has become this WS person who is foreign to you and your family.

NOTE: Some pets have been known to rebuke the scent of the WS.

Don't play games with the legal aspects of it all. Face it and fact it head on. Make sure you walk in with facts and even document the A insidents. Even if you are in a community property no fault state, the mention of an A in the mediation or even court records may influence the decision of the mediator.

This is a powerful tool for you. Don't run away from it. The WS thinks she has you by the tail.....fact is you don't have a tail. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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I got a call from the Mediator today asking why I hadn't come. I explained that I had my post redirected and have only picked it up. I have agreed to meet with her next week. I have also emailed my solicitor to arrange another meeting with her, hopefully before I meet with the mediator.

WW spoke to me about the mediator and said she hadn't asked her to call me. However she went on to say that she would go to her solicitor to say I wouldn't go.

We spoke about her wanting the house and me wanting the house and she wouldn't move on her position and I wouldn't either. I did say I would move tomorrow if there wasn't someone else involved, but I not moving so she can bring him in. Her response is I haven't thought of living with him (Utter B******s). Even if he stops wanting to see me tomorrow I still want to separate. I said if it wasn't for him we wouldn't be where we are today. Admittedly we wouldn't have the best of marriages but we certainly wouldn't be looking for separation or divorce. Oh, she did admit that when she looks at me I deserve the house, but when I not there she says to herself get tough so she changes her mind. I also tabled an offer that could be put to the solicitor that if I move on with my life or meet someone else we sell the home.

Anyway we carried on talking and the conversation of the neighbours came up. So I told her I spoke to the woman across the road who had an affair and told her what she said about my WW pushing things too fast, by God she didn't want to hear that. Then she stormed off saying she wasn't going to give him up. (daft c*w) Then I get accused of messing everything up around the home. In other words she hates the fact that I'm doing everything she did and more.

So tomorrow is another day as 007 said


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..... Oh, she did admit that when she looks at me I deserve the house, but when I not there she says to herself get tough so she changes her mind.

So this piece jumped out at me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Let your solicitor and
mediator know the above. Can you see the multi personality syndrome? Hm... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Use this as a tool to keep the house. Your home s/b only for the sane.

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HAF,

Have you seen this ??

http://www.entitledto.co.uk/

It may help you see what's available should you get a 9-5 with a pay drop & your kids need after school club, breakfast club, childcare, etc. You may be pleasantly surprised (unless you earn £££££s).

I heard that story on Radio4. I'll see if I can find it on t'internet tho'.

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Cheers Bullet,

I can afford all the bills on my wages and I won't need any child care cover on my shift pattern as I work 4 on 4 off and I can plan it for the whole year if needed and beyond. The biggest sticking point is getting WW to agree to me keeping the house.


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I was thinking this as you expressed a desire to go 9-5 earlier in this thread. It's just to give you an idea as to what salary you'll need to get by, so you can maybe take a pay cut.

If I stumble across something about the house I'll ping it your way.

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Yeah your right in an ideal world, but I've come to realise that although I hate my job. It would be ideal to have the kids on my days off. If me and WW get things sorted out I'll look at 9-5. The only problem I have with 9-5 is finding child care cover if the kids are off school. This way I never have to worry, because it doesn't matter to me if they are at school or not as I will always be around. Any extra days I take off can be shared with the kids.

I do appreciate the link and I'll bookmark it. I am registered with an Agency who are trying to push me out, but after everything CJ said I think I have found a solution if only for joint custody. I have made a list of people who I can ask for help should I get full custody. At the moment I'm trying to meet her half way. This in itself is a big jump from her having full custody to it being joint.


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OK latest update.

I went to pick up my post from the house I was staying at and there was a letter from my WW solicitor. In the letter they continually go on about divorce. They also mention I have grounds for divorce for adultery and unreasonable behaviour and my WW would be prepared for me to divorce her. However, they go on to say that they have advised my WW that she has grounds for divorce for unreasonable behaviour and they would be able to send me draft particulars of the petition before issuing this with the court.

They go on to say about attending mediation. They fail to point out that the appointment was the same day as their letter was dated.

During the letter the say "her priority is not to cause any unnecessary distress or disruption to your sons" Shouldn't of had her affair or should look at reconciliation. That would stop any distress.

Needless to say I haven't slept yet after coming off nights. Spoke to WW this morning and she still wants to be classed as main carer and will give me access rights and won't give up the home. Won't tell me where she is getting the money from to try and buy me out. When I ask her what I am getting from all of this I get silence.

Off to mediation tomorrow and trying to get to speak to my solicitor before hand. However it looks like it will end up in court where upon I get Shat on from a great height. She does the crime and I do the time.

There appears to be nothing I can do but wait for the inevitable. I found a card yesterday from my WW telling me how much she loved me and that I was her soul mate. When I showed her it she said it was from years ago. I said it just proves that you did love me, so all the things you said about never being in love are not true.


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I have been talking to my WW so we can sort out our house, with regards to who stays here. During this talk(not discussion as we she refuses to discuss) she said she was looking for somewhere else to live, but still local so she could take the kids to school. I mentioned that she was giving everything up and OM was giving nothing up but only gaining a foot hole is someone else's house. After a long talk I mentioned the children were sad about her taking them to see OM and that she wasn't considering them, but only putting her emotions for OM first. The conversation ended and I seen her crying in the kitchen. I said I didn't like to see her upset, but she wouldn't say why she was crying.

FWW out there who have been in her position could you I have your input. Any idea why she is crying, when beforehand she said that she has never been in love with me. Didn't find me attractive and said I was weird for helping her around the house by being polite and considerate to her even though I know what she is doing.

The love and attraction thing is absolute rubbish, but her crying after being so hard on me I don't understand. Is this the fog lifting, if only temporary.

One other thing she said, she didn't want me to wash or iron any of her clothes. Do I continue doing it or respect her decision, personally I think I should just keep doing it.


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I'd guess it could be a fog-free moment - but I'm a BH, not a WW, so I'm not really qualified. Would it be better for you if she was all sunshine & smiles rather than upset ?? I think not. I suspect she may be beginning to realise the gravity of the situation (& her role therein).

She has been in love with you though (you have documented proof) & she knows it.

I'd be tempted to _stop_ washing & ironing her clothes at her request but carry on with the rest of your plan A (& remember plan A is for you not her) & don't try & make sense of a WS - you can't.

All the best & remember you'll be ahlreet <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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I held Squid as she sobbed real tears for OM.
She realized she could never have any communication with him again and it broke her.

I could only offer her support then because of exercising "loving detachment". I treated it sort of like the symptom of a mental illness, rather than an assault on my heart.

It worked, and now Squid is in AWE of my strength and love for her at that terrible time.

BPM is spot on by the way.


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It's simple. She's crying because she's starting to face the reality of what she's doing. She's been living this fantasy that you'd just go along with her divorcing you and dividing up your family. She thought that she'd end up in some kind of wonderful world where her and the kids would live happily with the OM, that they would love him and be happy with the decision. She also thought that you'd quickly move on to someone else, but still remain her loving friend and be there for her for the rest of her life.

What's happening is that fantasy is crashing down around her ears. She's seeing the REALITY now. The kids aren't happy with her choice, they're not just going to blindly accept him as some kind of second dad. You're not going to roll over and play dead while she destroys your family. You're not willing to sit there and take whatever she dishes out at you and lovingly go along and agree to be her friend and support forever.

No wonder she's crying. That reality bites pretty hard...for her.

My wife faced that same cold hard truth too, when she realized that I was NOT going to accept this fantasy world that she'd created. When our kids told her that they wouldn't even consider living with her for the next year if she left to go live with OM. And she saw the truth...that if she left me for him, that it would end not only our marriage, but any respect, friendship, or caring I had for her as well.

That was the beginning of the end of HER affair. I can only hope and pray that it signals something similar for your situation.

Hang in there...it sounds to me like you're doing the right things. BTW...don't do her laundry for her if she's asked you to stop. Continuing would only be a lovebuster. But...DO continue anything else she's not directly asked you to stop doing. It's WORKING...that's why she's crying.

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Cheers again everyone for your input.

Owl, your post had me thinking and I starting to wonder if my WW is considering whether she can make a go at our relationship. Over the last week she has said things like what happens if I do it again and agreeing with me when I've explained how her affair started. This gets me wondering and then BANG back to her old self, telling me how horrible I've been etc etc.

I try not to get to hopeful but I'll just keep watching her behaviour. I'm off to my solicitors tomorrow as I need to get them to reply to my WW's solicitors within the time frame they have asked or they may be a petition to court.

Has anyone got any ideas as to what I can do to look after myself. What I mean is this situation has consumed my life at the moment. I'm on the forum every day and don't find time to do anything else except read or keep on top of the house. I don't have much money as every penny I get I'm trying to save as I'm going to Florida in October. If I go out I feel as if I'm dumping my boys on her. If I go out with friends my problem seems to be the topic of conversation. Is this how everyone else feels? I feel separation is round the corner. Our mediator has said it could take only a few sessions to agree arrangements and then it will be Plan B. Plan A is very difficult for me to achieve as she won't let me meet her EN. Conversation has to be at the top for her but she normally leaves the room if I come in except when the kids are around.


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I am so ******* *issed, with my WW I really just want to knock her out.

I tried reaching out to her by writing to her as sometimes talking is so difficult. Yesterday WW tells me that she had been in contact with my brothers wife who is separated from my brother and has now found another partner and she is happy. My brother on the other hand is not happy, but he left his home and didn't try to fix it. Now she has got fed up with waiting for him and his none commitment she has moved on. My WW seems to compare our situation to theirs by saying "she has found someone she is really happy with and has no regrets". Any relationship she sees where 2 people are happy outside of marriage has to be pushed in front of me, even to the point of Princess Diana, "she found her true love and was very happy" she would say. Then *uck off and be with him and stop doing my head in, is what I want to say.

Things have got a bit heated over the last couple of days, due to the fact I went to see my solicitor and was told that if we can't agree anything on the house, then it will go to court. That will take another 9 months and then our finances will be looked at and the house will have to be sold so we can both provide 2 bedroom homes for our boys. She wasn't happy with that. Oh and by the way my solicitor confirm that a judge may rule that just because a divorce petition is in front of them that its enough to say the marriage is irretrievable and they wouldn't have to list points for unreasonable behaviour although the norm is to have 6-7 points.

Last night I went out for a drink with my cousin, who had heard I was putting my WW and the kids out on the street or making them live in rented accommodation. This has come from her side of the family as I keep getting the guilt card thrown at me, regarding the kids leaving home. No one seems to understand that it is not my actions that have put me and the boys in a situation we don't want to be in. This is purely down to my WW and OM. I can't see why I have to take the hit on this.

The house is being valued today. I have already looked at buying her out but can't afford the repayments. We now have only one choice if she won't leave, which is to sell it.

I have to say I'm fed up with this. I don't know if I'm just having a bad day or I really want this all to stop. I so much want to start Plan B, just so I don't have to see her. I am fed up with everything be thrown back at me. This is just making me create LB's, which I struggle to deal with.


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WS will use any story, evidence, etc. to express the viability of their A; it's standard WS behaviour. They will not listen to anything because they "are meant to be". We know it's bollocks but unfortunately no foggy WS ever will - & yours is foggy at the mo. Just stay calm.

It's good news about the house - it sounds like the assets are to be divided 50/50 (if it gets to that).

I can't see why I have to take the hit on this.

You don't have to take the hit on this. Remind everyone that your sons always have a home (& always have had), your WW also. Who did you expose to ??

I can't advise you on whether or not to go plan B (I don't have that badge yet) but I can recommend loving detachment (as described by BobP); it will make things easier for you.

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B.P.M. Cheers for the hugs I'm glad they are manly one's. You hug so hard you nearly broke my back.

Bob Pure if you are reading this please point me to your loving detachment.

My wife is trying to buy me out, but I know she can't do it without help. I'm worried she will use it against me to keep the kids in the house. Her argument is, what is the difference between her buying me out and us selling the home I get the same amount. She is trying to prove that this will be a better solution so there will be less disruption to the boys. This makes me so mad, not only is she continuing her A but she intends to get OM in here by trying to buy me out. Talk about rubbing salt into the wounds. I end up losing it and creating more LB's. I have to learn to see the signs coming so I can just walk away. I have created so few LB's but when she demands she stays in the house it just presses my button and I flip. I said if that ever happened I'd smash the house up and break his legs, which is a threat I will follow up certainly breaking his legs. I am sitting here reading what I've just wrote and my heart is pounding on the thought of me going after him.

I'm not sure if I should expose further, to some of the parents at the school my boys go to who are very friendly with my WW. The problem I have with that is I have to see these people too and feel embarrassed. I also think it would push reconciliation even further away.


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I was working out a situation with a friend the other day and it occurred to me FINALLY how to describe "loving detachment" in a practically applicable way.

In my own affair-battle, and in plan A , loving detachment was without doubt the technique that helped the most to get through the very bad times. It allowed me breathing space to be rational when faced with irrationality.

I have advised for panicking folks in the heat of this fight to "detach" but I always struggled to INSTRUCT them how to do it.

Well, a day late and a dollar short, but here goes - in case it helps anyone:

However vicious or entitled a persons actions may be towards us, and however dark a situation may appear, it is a stark realization that it is OURSELVES who render events with the power to frighten or hurt ourselves.

Some folks who tried to adopt loving detachment tried to IGNORE evil perpetrated in their lives and respond with a false rictus smile to the person who is hurting them. That is not what loving detachment is for me and I chide myself for not being able to explain sooner.

Loving detachment was a way I found to strip away the scariness I attributed to events and look only at the core elements of these events.

I'll start with a non infidelity example :

A banana skin skids to a halt at your feet, when you are rushing and feeling low, and you barely miss slipping on it. Things you might think while in an emotional state:

"I could have slipped on that ! GOD I might have broken my neck ! I Bet my spouse threw that there to kill me for my insurance ? What if there are more banana skins ? OH NO, I have to LIVE in a workd of banana skins for ever boo hoo hoo !" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

What loving detachment thinks :
"A banana skin. I need to step around that so I don't slip. Stay vigilant in case of further banana skins as I can only control my OWN placement of banana skins, not other people's."

See ?

It doesn't matter if a person tried to sabotage you with that banana skin,OR if it was dropped accidentally by a passing magic flying monkey, the core challenge, and correct response is identical once you strip away all the layers of portent you ascribe to an event.

When Squid would attend karate competitions that I suspcted OM may be at, against my direct request a wellsping of panic and fear surged within me. " She'll be kissing him ! Maybe they're not even at a karate event! Perhaps they've left to elope !"

Then I shouted "Stop! Detach! " to myself.

Facts :

1. Squid went to referee a weekend competition against my request less than a month after d-day. The only thing I know for sure is she won't be home over Saturday night.
2. Even if she *IS* PA'ing with OM, it does not change our situation.I Expect her to be wayward at this time. I am not "more cuckolded" by this ,if so.
3. I know there IS a competition at the time / place she says and that she is sharing a room with a trustworthy mutual friend.
4. How can I affect this in future ? Well, exposing to OM GF may apply a compulsion to OM not to attend these events. I should expose.
5. The weekend without soaking up Squids poison gives me a respite ! I will take the kids to a childrens' farm !


Loving detachment is DELIBERATELY stripping away portent from events and facts to allow calm rationalisation as to whether you can affect a situation positively or not.

It is not ignoring, it is not soaking up, it is not tolerating. It is revealing and dealing with the FACTS as practially as possible.

Another real example :

Event : Squid is highly entitled and is bullying me in her affair pomp, in the second whole week after NC established. She is making no effort to be transparent nor to work on our marriage. Highly dismissive, vituperative. I am terrified, the kids are being hurt.

WHOAH Bob !!! LOVING DETACHMENT MODE PLEASE :

What would I do if I were not afraid ?
- I'd tell Squid that I would rather live without her than WITH her this mean and disrespectful
What am I afraid of ?
- That this is the best Squid can ever give me and that she would leave if I enforced a boundary requiring more
SO this is a dignity issue. Best case is that I get my baby AND my dignity. Whats the best compromise ?
- That I keep my dignity and lose my baby.

So, loving detachment, what are the FACTS to consider ?

1. She could leave ANY time she wanted with or without my protecting my dignity
2. If she left as a result of having to respect minimum boundaries, I am only worse off if I value that toxic corruption of a marriage more than my own dignity.
3. If she leaves I will be healthy,have the support of my employer and my kids and we will be fine, after a time of sadness. It is highly unlikely that we will be broken by this.
4. If she stays and respects my boundaries we may all just "win the lottery" !.

Decision - restate my boundary to Squid.

Lovng Detachment released me from the chains of fear. That night I asked Squid my famous question :" baby WHY are you here ? You said you would stay and work on our marriage - and I am struggling to see anything I would call "marriagebuilding" from you right now. I want you , very much, but I do not need you. Do not stay only because you think I will fall apart if you leave. I will not.
The door on this marriage is open - you can leave any time, as can I. Just know that I will not tolerate perceived disrespect for long before I protect myself from it."

Squid flipped a switch that night like so many WS do.

Even when I make a bad decision using the facts loving detachment presented me, I could simply apply LD to the NEW situation and make a new decision in light of my experience.

Does any of this make any sense ? I hope it helps.

Hope it helps. BPM nailed it fast. If you "get it" its like a mini plan B that lets you function in a swamp of hurt without being frightened. Great gain. GREAT gain.


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As an ex Grimleythorpe girl I have been following your thread with interest I can understand to a certain extent where your w is coming from.She appears to be stuck at the cognitive level of a fourteen yr old.At 14 a Grimleythorpe girl would ,in the event of a better offer, quite callously tell her boyfriend that the relationship was finished , walk away without a backward glance and never see or speak to him again, He is no longer of any use to her.

Your w seems to think that having served your purpose you are totally dispensible and that she in entitled to pursue 'HAPPINESS' at any price.A price that will be paid for by the decimation of the lives of at least 3 other people.She has no idea how lucky she is. She has the marriage, the family,the house and above all a faithful husband. The perfect answer to a maidens prayer.

I am hoping that in the process of dealing with the events she has set in train that she will grow up enough to appreciate what she has.The signs are beginning to show. As so well expressed by bullet and owl her tears signify a crack in the armour, People [and that probably includes om] are not making it easy for her.

I have a feeling that om is not entirely fulfilling her expectations. It might be worthwhile to find out a bit more about him. His ex wife might be sympathetic Would it be possible to make contact with her?

As far as you are concerned remember possession is nine points of the law i.e. it can be very hard to dislodge someone from a an entrenched position.Hang in there as hard as you can, ask your lawyer about grounds for appeal ,check out longest term mortgage or even interest only mortgage over as long a period as possible.

Things to do = anything that will lower your stress levels exercise,meditation,counselling can be free. You may be able to find a facility through your doctor .I had free sessions through my job I now live in Australia so it is a different system,reading is good, alcohol very bad.

Life can get pretty grim in Grimleythorpe

Anyway hands across the sea from me

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