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***********edit*************. I think that's one of the most disrespectful things I've read on MB in a while, and considering the DJ's that have been flying around for the last week, that's saying something. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I understand the need for debate about the hot issue at hand, but I do NOT understand adults treating each other with such disdain and disrespect. Lori ETA: Thank you for the edit, Justuss. In retrospect, I should have just reported that post, rather than highlight it.
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I wish someone, anyone, would ignore me. I'm feeling left out. I mean, in.
"Never forget that your pain means nothing to a WS." ~Mulan
"An ethical man knows it is wrong to cheat on his wife. A moral man will not actually do it." ~ Ducky
WS: They are who they are.
When an eel lunges out And it bites off your snout Thats a moray ~DS
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LH, I've been thinking about your asking any BS who is not in a recovered marriage coming to you for help. Although I've been on MB since 1998, under one name or another, I'm still married to my WH, and he isn't actively cheating anymore (but still has the wayward mindset, I don't consider our marriage recovered. Not because MB doesn't work, but because I believe that my husband has some personality/trait issues. That said, can you please respond to my response to you in regard what you said about helping both a BS and helping an exWS/OP in an affair marriage being similar to a counselor helping a couple? Quote:
Lady, allow me to move your question into a slightly different context for just a second, okay? Isn't helping two individuals at one time exactly the challenge a couples counselor faces all the time when counseling a couple...one a betrayed spouse and the other a wayward spouse? Doesn't he or she always have the chore of bringing two divergent, often hostile, points of view together? I bring that up simply to point out one counselor can work both sides of an issue.
Well, LH, I wouldn't call that a "slightly different context". It's more like apples and oranges.
When a couple goes to a counselor, it is usually for the purpose of reconciling their differences to rebuild their relationship.
What I am talking about is a totally different thing, involving THREE people...not two...and one of those three people, the affair partner-now spouse, is an interloper.
If my H had divorced me to marry the OW, there would be nothing to reconcile, as I would have nothing further to do with him. I might forgive him, but I would NEVER be "friends" with him. However, I would likely have been in severe pain for quite a while. There is NO WAY I could remain friendly with someone who purported to be trying to support me in my pain while, at the same time, was advising my XWH and/or his wistress on how to save their affair marriage.
In fact, I would say that a friend to ME would stay out of my XWH's marital crap and let it implode all by itself, on the off chance that my XWH might pull his head out of his nether regions and wish to return to his original LEGITIMATE marrriage.
A friend to my WHS who wants to help him save his affair marriage should leave ME the heck alone, cuz with friends like that, I wouldn't need enemies. I think I need to clarify things from the third paragraph in my response. I should have said that I would have nothing to do with him so long as he was married to the interloper and not truly wanting to reconcile with me.
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From Penalty Kill I wish someone, anyone, would ignore me. I'm feeling left out. I mean, in. Aphelion, I will ignore you! (Explanation: I will ignore you when you say that you are thinking of leaving MB; I hope that you will stay.) PK
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Aphelion, I will ignore you! (Explanation: I will ignore you when you say that you are thinking of leaving MB; I hope that you will stay.)
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*** You are ignoring this user *** LOL! I actually think I got edited on this thread for likening LH's recent spat of ignoring users to a recent poster that had a meltdown.... I think that was my post. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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Lady C, I apologize most sincerely. I never saw your reply to me and just now found your "2nd Request." I have to go pay bills and do some grocery shopping before things begin turning from golden coaches back into pumpkins so I can't respond at this moment. Watch this space later this evening, okay? Again, very sorry.
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Okay, I’m back. Sorry, it’s been a hectic day.
I’m guilty of some very poor writing. When I used the example of the couple coming to one counselor for MC, I meant only to illustrate that one counselor routinely handles two separate viewpoints and…he even does it while the two people are in the same room.
If a couple divorces (whether an affair is involved or not), one or both remarry, experience trouble in their separate marriages again…well it is highly unlikely both would choose the same counselor, but the counselor could handle it. He wouldn’t be trying to get the original marriage back together, of course.
In this odd hypothetical question, he might even be working to bring two separate marriages back together (not the first failed marriage), or working with two, three, or four as an IC, or any possible combination of the individuals concerned. I’m pretty sure no such thing has ever happened or ever will…though it’s a mathematical possibility, I suppose.
The point is, a counselor can handle many people, all with divergent points of view, and still provide decent advice to them all. After all, does he not do that all day long already? All, (8 or 9…X number?) clients he sees every day as clients represent very conflicting problems and viewpoints.
In the example you used, of course the counselor would be working with dynamics of the new marriage between your ex and his new spouse. Any counseling provided to you would be totally, completely, separate…not connected in any way with the marital counseling going on between them. In this highly unlikely scenario, you would probably never know the counselor was also working with your ex and his new wife. I wouldn’t be working to reconcile you and your ex. On second thought, it could happen that a single counselor might counsel your ex and his wife…and counsel you on totally separate, uninvolved and non-related issues, I guess. If I recall, you live in a small town and there might not be but one counselor available to take your case.
Now, in the impossibly remote hypothetical chance both Zog and the woman he divorced 28 years ago came to MB looking for help, I would be willing to help both of them. I wouldn’t be working to get them back together, of course. Their marriage is a dead issue. There would be a question of whether they, as individuals, would be comfortable with me working with their former spouse, but if they agreed I was flexible and fair enough to deal with their completely separate issues in their lives as of this moment, then I’d be happy to do whatever I could.
The hypothetical question was, “which one would I help?” My answer is, and will continue to be, “Answer C, Both Of the Above.”
Have a fine evening, Lady C. Now I need to go cook some of the vitals I got from the grocery. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Bob Pure's Post yield this: *** You are ignoring this user *** Bob????
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