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Swade88,
Some of her so-called friends are nothing more than bantering selfish, lustful, troll-eyed, itsallabout me, talent lackin with no financial backin chumps!

It was as if it were parliament when they were giving her advice "you should leave", "be free". She replies "I cant believe it took me this long to figure this out", and all the while I feel as if I just plummeted 50,000 feet with no parachute. In other words I dont put alot of stock into what they say, but cant help feeling some influence is exerted here, especially one of her friends who is having an affair, and I think is influencing her in some way..

Pray for those that curse you, and love your enemies swade88, it's really hard to do, but easy with God's help.
I really feel sorry for these people, seriously I do.
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Is your WS living with you or not? If not how are you making her feel appreciated and loved while not with you?

Generally, and from what I see affairs are based not only on lies, deceit and all that stuff, but from what is lacking in the relationship. if she has what she needs, why go elsewhere.[/quote]

Dune -- keep preachin' brother!

God's Word WILL tear the Devil's kingdom down!

My WS is still living with me -- she says she is not going anywhere (I'm thinking - OK, but the NC has to be in place)

She will be receiving exposure calls this afternoon (4-5 people for now).

I still love on her by using the MB HNHN section on affection -- leave notes, give her plenty of hugs and small kissess, call her at work to say I miss her, etc...
when she comes from work (or I return) spend first few minutes with her.

The part that tears me up is when I can sense she is still thinking about OM. I certainly don't expect much in return fom her at this point.


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Hang strong you two.

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I believe God's will shall be done, on earth as it is in Heaven, but pardon me for my impatience, but this stuff really hurts! I want her back, I want to be progressing to something newer, better, I want to be the husband that attracted her in the first place AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!
You have the advantage of having your WS with you, mine is at her familys, and going to a concert today..

How on earth do these people have fun doing such things? I mean are they enjoying themselves, have they absolutely no shame!


I just exposed my wifes affair to the owner of a website she is a contributor for. I work on his website, maintain it, make tweaks to it, and he told me "I had no idea", and was chatting with me on some of his issues, however I am keeping my guard up.
He knows other people that know my wife, so I am guessing this will propagate to the others..I sometimes cant help but get a bad thought at how much I wish for this egg to fall on her face so she wakes up, and maybe choke on a little of it, not much just the bit that goes down the wrong tube, where you cough constantly, have difficulty breathing, and get teary eyed for about 5 minutes, but I need to be patient.
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NWTT,
How do you cope, where is your situation? is mine as grim as it really is, or is my mind adding to the fear, and pain?

I am hanging in there, and I am positive we (us here in forum) will make it through the pain, but regardless getting their means absolutely nothing without my wife. Well I am bettering myself and all that, but I guess I want to make it out WITH my wife and I in recovery together building a future. is that pathetic to feel and want and believe?
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Mine is just down on this page. Please feel free to read. I am coping extremely well, and have mentioned why in my thread.


WH moved out of our home before I found out. He knew he would not be able to hide it any longer from me and that I can tell when he is lying. I had a suspicion something was up with him, and had asked him on a few occasions.

I have barely seen WH in three months. Maybe in total two hours of contact.

I miss him terribly. Before this, we were inseperable. Faith is what keeps me going.


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Dune,

I feel your pain!

There were a couple of days I was at work and was about to go into meetings -- ALL OF A SUDDEN -- seems like the flood gates opened! I had to quickly retreat to my office!

There was much comfort in getting it off of my chest!

I am in pain having my WS in the house while her "heart" is somewhere else enjoying her fantasies with OM!

I keep praying for my prodigal WS to come home!

Still waiting for her to receive her first contact for exposure today! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />


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I simply thank God for leading me to this site!

The input from ALL posters are encouraging and I really appreciate it!

Not to sound selfish, but it really feels good to know that I am not alone and recovery IS possible!


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Now my heart jumped into my throat, and my motivation as I am cleaning went out the window. She sent me an email, below is the information, obviously slightly edited to protect the innocent <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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I am sorry I haven't contacted you sooner, but I hope you understand & I am glad you are giving me my space. Thank you for dropping off the bill money, that was nice of you.


I want to just get this said & done & over with. I lied to you, I cheated on you, I withdrew from you. For that, I am sorry. There is no excuse for what I did & I will never try to justify it. I am ashamed, I feel guilty & I am still battling with it.


Things have been in denial for so long. So long. I've kept this all in. My unhappiness. Your unwillingness to change. When you finally decided that you could be a better person to me, Dune, it was too late. It was too late & it is too late. I can't go back to you knowing what I did & things would never be the same. There would always be that cloud looming over head.


I'm sorry I couldn't be the wife you wanted & I'm sorry I will never be the wife you want. I can't & I won't.



I am glad that you are taking steps NOW, I am glad you got a new job that will give you lots of financial freedom & I am glad you cut your hair because it looks nice. You will make someone else happy, not me.



There are so many things that I could hash out. All those years, the way you talked to me, the way you blamed me for everything, the things you would hang over my head - I wasn't happy. Yeah the way I left was not good. But even if there wasn't another man, I would have still left. There is no way, in my head or my heart I could stay.



I am hoping that we can do all of this amicably & split our stuff up. I won't take the bulk of things until I am in my own place. Which should be soon, by July. This is hard for both of us & I just want to make it easy. You have made it easy so far. I want our cat to stay with you for the time being because I think that you need her more. I hope that you have a support system because you really need one.



I love you as a friend and I hope that we can remain friends throughout this all, but know that it will never be the same.



I guess I am saying that we need to start the proceedings soon. I am going to get some advice this week. I would hope that this doesn't go to court because that will cost us both a lot of money that we both, especially me, cannot afford.



Where we live I am allowed spousal support, but I'm not asking for you to give me a lot of money. Right now, I do need help & am asking you for a little help. If you won't, I understand, but if you do that would help me out a lot to get started to be on my own.



I would still ask that you don't call me because it's really tough. So please respect that.



You are a good person, you have a good heart. Please remember that. I hope that this is closure enough for you. I would like a divorce.



I would like it if you can drop off my computer & monitor at my family's house this week & all my cords sticking out of the USB hub & my camera bag as well, you know the backpack. Even if you leave it by the door because they won't be home a lot of this week & I will be staying at other places during the week. So please just leave it there. And my towels in the bathroom.


Thank you, Dune. I really appreciate it.

Bye,

WW

What on earth do I do now????? This looks seriously bad, like actually hopeless.
Wisdom and insight would be appreciated on this please!!
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My stomach has officially turned upside down and inside out


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Do nothing.

Do not drop off her computer. Do not give her money.

Tell her to go ahead and call her lawyers. But, do not co-operate.

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Hi NWTT,
I have not responded to her email, and am not sure I will. I am calling up to set up a coaching session for ASAP, and will be speaking to my lawyer tomorrow.

I got the feeling that she is trying to protect the married man, by saying that it could have been anybody? I believe my perception may be right.

Now the gloves come off, and I will be looking into getting this guys address, and have to parse through my information once more, which is going to be grueling so I can provide enough evidence to the other mans wife of what is going on, and drop kick this affair to h311 right where it was born out of!

Do I email her back, or what? I am thinking of just not doing anything period regarding the communication with her, she wants all this she can come get it.
How am I going to pay up my bills when her name is on some big things?? I am feeling the heat in a spiritual manner, and now am getting anxious again. I was a little too confident, earlier, and that was God given, but the FEAR has gripped me.

I know she is writing this from her friend (the trash bucket cheater wife one), and she may have been coaching her. I feel like a this is a fate worse than death.

By her saying "I will be staying at different places this week" is akin to saying "Dont bother looking for me", which I am not, but dang it!
Is this typical babble, and if it is is it textbook babble, or are we dealing with something pretty grim here? Is this her being passive aggressive, I can see she still wants to be friends, but cmon now, looks like she is trying to hang on emotionally. I am a mess at the moment, I think I am going to get something to eat.
I accomplished a large task today, now I need to rest, read, pray, seek God's face, and deliverance.
I am feeling worse already.. ARGH!
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Babble!

In the beginning I was told that he "felt" like we were over. And, if by some "miracle" things changed.

From day one I took this to mean that he had planned on coming home and giving me a "miracle"

I just let it go. I Plan A'd him without knowing what it was. I talked to him regularly about stuff that had been going on. He called often (mostly to get stuff... but I put off giving it to him)

He then went to a lawyer and filed for a separation agreement. Paid a pretty penny to do it as well. I refused to contact his attorney. Told him I wouldn't.

As a result, his attorney told him he is not allowed to sell our vehicle (that we had for sale) because I would just take the one he is driving from him. Told him he was a fool for believing that, but his choice.

He then threatened to send me another letter from his attorney if I contacted him again. I told him to go ahead (because, I was not going to respond anyway... I did not add that in the email) and it has been over a month and nothing.

Because I took the month long hiatus from WH, I now feel like I can do anything. And, my WH is miserable. And looks like crap. He chose his life... he can live with it.

When he is ready, the nwe talk.

So, when your WW contacts you and wants to talk divorce, separation, etc, you tell her that you will only discuss relationship talk if it means reconciliation. There will be no talk of divorce, lawyers, etc. You are only interested in reconciliation.

Let her chew on that for awhile.


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Dune,

Don’t freak out.

That letter she wrote you was straight out of the WS handbook.

Despicable ain’t it?

She’s got an OM and she wants you to have the cat? Tell me you can laugh at that logic even in your emotional condition.

Well, just remember… right now she is an alien.

The mothership descended, sucked her brain out, scrambled it in a microwave, strained it, and poured it back into hear head through her ear.

She is not your W right now and won’t be EVER until the A is over. Period.

Take the letter with a grain of salt. Talk to your attorney like you have already planned, and start initiating a damn good plan A.

Tell her that if she wants this D then she is going to have to do all the work because you just want her to come back home and work on the marriage.

Tell her that you have been exploring a lot of your own emotions, that you accept responsibility for half of the state of your M before her adultery (always refer to it as adultery btw), and that you believe through insights and revelations that you can completely forgive her.

Read up on Plan A.

Appear strong! Do not show weakness.

Appear fun, energetic, and revitalized. Tell her you want to have some FUN with her. Ask her on a date.

Do NOT move any of her crap for her. As a matter of fact, while you have the computer do a thorough analysis of the contents of the hard disk drive on same.

Find out who this OM is and prepare for unilateral exposure to all parties simultaneously.

Nothing in your plan has changed. She is doing a barrel roll in the sky, but you will not allow her to shake you.

Do you all have children?

How long married?

Ages?

Post as much about your situation as possible on this thread so everyone has all the facts straight and can help the best.


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NWTT,

So you went through the same heave-hoe with your WH it seems like,and even throwing out paperwork and walking the walk just about?
Is it safe to say you have absolutely no communication with him, or do you guys keep in touch?

I will be making a mock email for you and anyone really to review prior to me sending it to her.
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Plank,
It is despicable, disgusting, low-brow, base mentality, and desperate!

We are in our 30's, married 10 years 30 her, me 32. We got married pretty darn quick, no courting more like "I love you!, yeah I love you tooo!!, will you marry me, YEEES!!!" so that's that long and short of it.

We have no children, but I secretly would wonder in awe at how good she would be with kids of her own. Now that is just a dream in the past.

Regarding the cat.. Well I think this is reflecting on her when she was abandoned as a child, and she has a lot of baggage. I found out after we were married that she was sexually abused by her step dad, and I was blown away by that, and I told her that I am here for her, and love her deeply, and this happened a year or 2 after we were married when she told me that, so I think she is acting that out? Would that be a correct assumption?

I have my own issues as well, physically, verbally abused, but kept on movin up by the grace of God. I know I would verbally abuse my wife, and I feel terrible for that, but I never ever laid a hand on her. I could not, would not, because of the type of person I am, and for all that she has been through. I respect her too much, more than me really. I put her before me in everything.

She is a God fearing woman, was baptized a few years ago, believes in Jesus Christ, so I know that this is not who she really is, she really is a compassionate, caring, understanding woman, with a joy in their heart to serve the Lord. It appears her actions point to her serving someone else, and this has caused her to feel she has gone beyond the threshold of God's grace.

I did get a laugh though at the irony about the cat, and I need more laughs.

I am talking to my attorney tomorrow, and I need clarification on what exactly a Plan A is, and is it different for everyone? If it is I will be calling up for coaching tomorrow so I can get a plan for myself cause the SAA book will be here in something like 1+ weeks, and I ain't got time for this!

When you say I tell her I have been exploring my emotions and accept responsibility in part for what has happened, I am guessing this will be contained in the email I plan on sending her right? This email will be a response to the one she sent me.

In that same email I will be sending her, I am suppose to ask her out, and be funny and witty as well? I don't have a problem with that, but need clarity here so I know if this will be in my response to her. If that is not the case, then when am I suppose to appear energetic and ask her on a date?

I cant expose to all parties at the same time, cause my wife basically exposed herself to others who read her online community journal, and those she has physical contact with seem to be a bad influence to put it mildly, and she informed the OM that I know about their affair and who he is, but he does not know I have his cellular number.

There is a saying that shows how close we were it says "We use to eat out of the same plate", and obviously much much more, what gets me is that we have had some really heavy situations, none regarding adultery, but OUUCH! does this one sting bad!

I will be working on email mockup now and post shortly for a peer review.
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So you went through the same heave-hoe with your WH it seems like,and even throwing out paperwork and walking the walk just about?
Is it safe to say you have absolutely no communication with him, or do you guys keep in touch?

I will be making a mock email for you and anyone really to review prior to me sending it to her.
Dune.

No. I have since resumed contact with WH. Basically by putting myself out there and showing up to see him. He was living with his parents, but has now moved in with OW.

I have also sent him emails, light chit chat. Just enough to keep me on his mind. (cause, you know... they will read them... curiousity)

I went last Wednesday and Thursday to his work to "see him" and then on Friday sent him lunch.

After not seeing me in a month, WH was quite taken aback. He had his "weak" moment two weeks ago today. Tried in vain to contact me, but to no success. I won't mention it to him. Have no reason to.

It's about me now. And, my love for him.

You can do this. Listen to the advice you are given. These people know what they are talking about! Don't lose hope. That would be your first mistake.


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Ok I have a draft. Its a rough draft, it has absolutely no humor in it, so please let me know if I should add that here.

What I wanted to add in here somewhere, is something like this..

"You know I think its great that we are using email to communicate like this, so much is being shared, and we are learning about eachother in ways we could not have imagined.
I think we should sit down together at <generic coffee shop> for some coffee or tea you and me to talk about this further. What do you think? Please do take care of yourself. I truly love you"

Ok now the draft..sort of somber now that I think about it, but its a rough draft.
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I understand how you feel the desire to have your own space and respect that, I love you, and that is how I am able to give you what it is you want and need at this time.



This is probably the most information I have been told about the adultery by you and it is good to see you being so open and honest with me.




The excuse for your adulterous affair is there, and it is partly my fault for allowing such an environment to be created.



I did not spend much time with you, did not praise you, did not rejoice when I saw you, I did not acknowledge your contributions to our marriage, I worked very hard to make sure I provided a home and sanctuary for you, and I set that as a priority. This caused the most important component of our relationship to suffer, and that was our friendship, our time together, and nurture the love that I have for you so it could grow into something that would make you happy, and one day see you with children of your own or adopted, and seeing you teach them and love them, this was and is my dream still today.




There are things I could have done to change, and I feel that without being told, or shown what areas I was lacking in, then everything was just fine, or so I thought, and I was greatly mistaken.



This situation has given me the opportunity to look deep inside at who I really am, and explore my own emotions, and I accept responsibility for half of the state of our Marriage before you committed adultery, and with much thought, insight and revelation, and what I have been learning about myself I know I can completely forgive you.



I married you because you are the wife I have always wanted, someone beautiful, kind, compassionate, loving, creative, funny, artistic, and my best friend.



There is absolutely no reason for the way I talked to you, and treated you, but instead I needed to treat you with love, respect, dignity and the integrity you deserve.




I know now you were not happy, and this does not have to mean that you can never be happy together with me again.



I do not agree with you if OM was not there that you would have gone to someone else, because prior to this happening I was searching and am searching inside as to how I could make you a happy woman, and I am well aware that the interest between you two was there from when you worked at your previous location.




I believe what you are looking for is happiness, and I can and am able to provide that because I love you.




It is great to see that you do see me making changes in my life, and thank you for the kind words regarding my new employment. I cut my hair for myself, to better myself, so I can feel better about myself. If I feel better about myself I am a better person, and am able to work on myself daily knowing the future is very bright.




Thank you for letting the cat stay with me, she cracks me up and is fun to play with, but she misses mommy dearly, I can see it in her eyes and hear it when she meows, she's our "baby" you know.




I love you as my wife, a person who is in need of a true loving relationship, and not one built on deceit, and lies, and fancy perfume. I love you for the shooting star you are.




If you want to go ahead with proceedings then you are free to do whatever you want, but it will be without my assistance



I have no problem in helping you in your life and to grow and become the great person you are, but I will not support your adulterous affair with OM.



If you want a divorce, then you will have to go ahead without me because I do not want a divorce, I want the love of my life back. She is lost in an ether like state using OM as a substitute of what was lacking in our marriage, you are better than that, and a great person.



You need to arrange something to pick up your belongings because again I am not going to support, or cater to an adulterous relationship between you and a married man with children, or any man for that matter.




I know you understand, and I appreciate that.

Dune.

What do you all think?
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I thought of something to add, and update the above letter, so the 4th paragraph thing would read like follows...
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I did not spend as much time with you, did not praise you, did not rejoice when I saw you, I did not acknowledge your contributions to our marriage, I worked very hard to make sure I provided a home and sanctuary for you, and I set that as a priority. This caused the most important component of our relationship to suffer, and that was our friendship, our time together, and nurture the love that I have for you so it could grow into something that would make you happy, and one day see you with children of your own or adopted, and seeing you teach them and love them, this was and is my dream still today.
My lack of leadership and headship in our household allowed for us to slowly lead separate lives, and I want you to know that I accept responsibility in part for such an error which would jeopardize the love we have built up together throughout the years.

Is that Ok?

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NWTT,
I am guessing that this was and is a character building experience for you?

I cannot at this moment even fathom my wife wanting to see me, it seems only email may be the call of the day, but she is in danger living at different places, and it hurts me to know that she has a warm bed, a loving home, food in the fridge, and her cat who will curl up with her if she were to call me and say she wanted to come home, of course as long as she dropped the A.

Was your WH writing you off? Don't call me, I'll call you, and I don't want to see you type of stuff?

Will these opportunities to see my WS make themselves known or manifest? Cause it seems like an impossibility, but I cant help but see the truth in how they are aliens, and are not who they use to be.

I feel so desperate, here I was having the audacity to start emotionally detaching, and focusing on how to get her back, and this shot across the deck comes flying by!

I like how you can find out his weak moment and keep it secret, nothing like having positive information on our spouses.

I think my spouse is choking basically, and the gym did not call me today, so i will be waling in their with contracts in hand tomorrow and telling them to cancel it now.

I am listening very closely to the advice given, and most importantly I feel close to you all cause we are going through the same pains, not exactly , but we know what conflict is, we know what its like to be cheated on, and lied to, and we all want to have our marriages restored.
Oh God please help us all in this darkest hour Lord, that you be glorified in these things, that the scales fall off of our wayward spouses eyes Lord, and cast off the darkness with the Light of Heaven Lord, shine your countenance upon those who have strayed, shine your countenance on those who are hurting and alone and bring healing backand restoration to a heavenly sanctioned institution Lord. Let their heart not be hardened as the enemy of souls is attacking us on all sides. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

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