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Now Pio...I find your tone very rude MEDC, I forgive you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Pio - where do I send the bill for spewing coffee all over my keyboard?
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Yes, of course you knew...silly me. WHAT was I thinking?!?!?! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> you left coasters need to slow down on that mari-hoochie weed. Good grief, you people are regular dope fiends. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Why thank you, I will take that as a compliment! At least it 'splains away my "craziness". <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Me,BW - 42; FWH-46 4 kids D-Day #s1 and 2~May 2006 D-Day #3~Feb.27, 2007 (we'd been in a FR) Plan B~ March 3 ~ April 6, 2007 In Recovery and things are improving every day. MB rocks. 
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Now Pio...I find your tone very rude MEDC, I forgive you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Bwahahahaha!!! Wait, I am confused. Who wrote this again?!?!?!?
Me,BW - 42; FWH-46 4 kids D-Day #s1 and 2~May 2006 D-Day #3~Feb.27, 2007 (we'd been in a FR) Plan B~ March 3 ~ April 6, 2007 In Recovery and things are improving every day. MB rocks.
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Without autonomy, you would be completely submissive and subject to the unilateral decisions of your spouse. not accurate
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MEDC, you dear innocent man. I don't think Billy Joe Bob had milking a cow in mind. LMAO. Anyway, that was just stealing from my line. I said that swinging was a perversion right up there with having sex with chickens. Pio's example was also very insulting to New Zealanders. I'm sure there are many in NZ who would welcome some help with their relationships with their sheep. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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New Zealand - where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
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I red that thar artikal. Thems a bunch of fancy wurds. I beed confused. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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The article just infers that the movement to amend (or modernize) the Ten Commandments is well underway.
The Bible in it's entirety is open to interpretation. Life was different 'then'. We have learned that there are exceptions to most every rule.
I view swingers as justifying their actions as just another exception to the rule. Biblical, moral, whatever...
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I met a New Zealander once and he would tell me that he would take his favorite sheep up to the barn loft and bring it right to the edge... I asked why... he said... because it will push back! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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The article just infers that the movement to amend (or modernize) the Ten Commandments is well underway. Oh. Okay. As long as someone's handling it.
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MEDC, I am shocked, just shocked. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Modernising the 10 Commandments? Looking forward to THAT one. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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"I beed" makes me crack up EVERY TIME. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Modernising the 10 Commandments? Looking forward to THAT one. Most churches aren't as profitable as they used to be. Maybe the 10 commandments need to be downsized?
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Pio - where do I send the bill for spewing coffee all over my keyboard? Well that brings up a very interesting question. Am I responsible for your spewing or did you simply take advantage of certain circumstances and spew of your own free will? I believe you chose to spew and that you are refusing to take responsibility for said spewing by trying to place the blame on me. Tell me this: do you own your spewing? Why can you not simply embrace your spewing within the context, examine it and make your spew a part of you? We all have the potential to be spewers and yet many of us do not. I know that, given the right circumstances, I could spew - I won't deny it. But I CHOOSE not to spew because I know first hand the devastation it would cause my keyboard.
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I don't think BigK is being very authentic by refusing to own his spewing. foreigners! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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medc, ML figured this out pages ago, but I don't think we're actually saying very different things. autonomy has more than one definition:1. Liberty: Immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence. The power or right of self-government or political independence, of a city or a state. 2. A person's ability to make independent choices. 3. The sovereignty of reason in the sphere of morals; or man's power, as possessed of reason, to give law to himself. You're using the second definition, and I'm using the third. To expand on that a little and really explain my use of the word. from Ask.com: Autonomy (Greek: Auto-Nomos - nomos meaning "law": one who gives oneself his own law) means freedom from external authority. Autonomy is a concept found in moral, political, and bioethical philosophy. Within these contexts it refers to the capacity of a rational individual to make an informed, uncoerced decision. In moral and political philosophy, autonomy is often used as the basis for determining moral responsibility for one's actions. One of best known philosophical theories of autonomy was developed by Kant. In medicine, respect for the autonomy of patients is considered obligatory for doctors and other health-care professionals. Politically, it is also used to refer to the self-governing of a people.
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Within self-determination theory in psychology, autonomy refers to 'autonomy support versus control', "hypothesizing that autonomy-supportive social contexts tend to facilitate self-determined motivation, healthy development, and optimal functioning." I actually think my interpretation would work better for you considering your stance on morality....but no matter what meaning you decide to embrace....the word can be used in other ways and still be "right" within that context.
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Aprodite, And what exactly could you have done if your husband inherited a lot of money, put it into an account in his name only and bought a business anyway? It's not as if you have any legal recourse. You only have the trust that your husband wouldn't do that to you. But if he wanted to, you couldn't stop him. That's not being captain of your ship -that's the both of you depending on each other not to act in ways that would financially hurt you. I'd make an informed and moral decision (an autonomous decision)....to Plan B is @ss! You said if you hadn't wanted children, you would never have married. But financial woes, are not nearly as destructive to children and family as infidelity is. You aren't any more trustworthy than your husband. "Autonomy" would have made that kind of immoral decision impossible.
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Can we have a thread dedicated to completely arcane hypothetically contrived situations in an extreme effort to justify infidelity?
Oh...wait...I guess we already do.
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pio the hand,
>Can we have a thread dedicated to completely arcane >hypothetically contrived situations in an extreme effort >to justify infidelity?
>Oh...wait...I guess we already do.
1- It's not hypothetical. That's exactly what my husband did to me. He inherited some money and bought a business even though I said he should get a job and buy us a house instead. On top of that, he insisted I go to a lawyer to sign a post-nuptial agreement so I wouldn't divorce him and take half his business. He threatened to divorce me if I did not. The only reason I didn't sign it is that he did not complete his half of the paperwork so the document was never drawn up. That's not a hypothetical, contrived situation. That was my life a few years ago. Oh and by the way, the business failed and a quarter of a million dollars is gone.
2- I never said it justified adultery. It does not. But likewise, my adultery does not justify what he did. You really should stop beating up those poor, defenseless strawmen.
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