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[color:"red"]available on the MB bookstore[/color]
Defending Traditional Marriage:
It Starts with You
Why does traditional marriage need to be defended?
Traditional marriage is a permanent and sexually exclusive relationship of extraordinary care between one man and one woman.
But marriage, as defined this way, has been under attack for more than seventy-five years, and if you're married--or planning to be--that's not good news. In fact, those attacking traditional marriage have been winning. Why? And what can be done about it?
Willard F. Harley, Jr., Ph.D. believes you can not only protect your own family from falling prey to these legal and cultural attacks but also help reverse the trend that characterizes today's marriage-unfriendly culture.
Historically, traditional marriage has provided two primary advantages over any other relationships: safety and stability. If either of these advantages is undermined, the success of an entire society is threatened. With heated sanctity-of-marriage debates swirling around us, whose responsibility is it to defend what's left of traditional marriage?
According to Dr. Harley, "It starts with you."
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me: FWW/BS 52 H: FWH/BS 49
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Reporting for duty! <salutes>
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Pep,
Thanks for the new resource. I do admire your posts and great advice (not to mention, your sense of humor).
AKA
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Me 44 WH 46
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since this is HARLEY'S site
we might as well promote the HARLEY values
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"Traditional marriage is a permanent and sexually exclusive relationship of extraordinary care between one man and one woman."
permanent.... it takes a BUYER and another BUYER
sexually exclusive .... go wild sexually ~at home~ with your beloved
extraordinary care .... never be the cause of your spouse's unhappiness
one man and one woman .... no farm animals
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So, those who have gone down the road of swinging are doomed to ******? Should there be a "Swingers DO NOT ENTER, we don't your kind here" message at the top of this website?
Maybe they truly do want guidance and the tools to stop the vicious cycle. What makes helping them different from helping a couple who both have strayed and want to change? Or a couple where the WS has had more than one affair?
Who are we to say that someone's M is doomed or not? We are just a bunch of people with a common thread on a message board... although some seem be self proclaimed "experts" on all things marriage related.
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If someone does not value TRADITIONAL marriage, as outlined by the Harley's ... this program will be minimally helpful because it will not make sense to them
I am simply pro TRADITIONAL marriage
and peace be with those with other/different values ... their journey is not so kind
and their ability to absorb the Harley methods is very very limited
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when you argue an exaggerated version of my position ... that is called strawman fallacy ... no one pays attention
when you argue about "me" and attack "me" instead of my position... that is ad hominem fallacy .... and no one pays attention
if you stick to discussing the actual words I've stated in my position (or Harley's words which I've quoted) it would elevate the nature of this discourse and many would pay attention
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I feel no need to try and defend the swinger lifestyle.
I am not a swinger.
A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
~ English proverb Neak's Story
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If someone does not value TRADITIONAL marriage, as outlined by the Harley's ... this program will be minimally helpful because it will not make sense to them
I am simply pro TRADITIONAL marriage
and peace be with those with other/different values ... their journey is not so kind
and their ability to absorb the Harley methods is very very limited I definitely agree that there would be a disconnect between Harley's methods and a marriage that includes consensual polyamory. But do you really think there are limitations to applying MB principles in a same-sex marriage? It seems to me they would apply just as well in a marriage of two men (or of two women) as in a marriage of one man and one woman. But maybe I'm forgetting something . . .?
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Just quoting Harley's position , kiddo
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The Book is called HIS Needs HER Needs - seems to say one man- one woman.
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= polygamy. Just say no. -ol' 2long
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But do you really think there are limitations to applying MB principles in a same-sex marriage? It seems to me they would apply just as well in a marriage of two men (or of two women) as in a marriage of one man and one woman. Ac2ally, I would tend 2 agree, though I'm not personally of the "gay persuasion." At least it's a committed, one-on-one relationship. Or it could be, I suppose. But it's certainly not "traditional marriage." -ol' 2long
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You know what, I'm not defending the swingers lifestyle, I have NO DESIRE to be a swinger. What I am defending is a person's right to come here seeking advice and guidance without being immediately labeled as a troll. If someone was a swinger and wants out, they can't find help here?
I just don't see the difference, maybe I'm too kind. But if it feels good for you to bash them for their faults, well this is America after all.
This dead horse has been beaten enough.
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But if it feels good for you to bash them for their faults, well this is America after all. ad hominem
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position discussion If someone was a swinger and wants out, they can't find help here? unless they convert completely, and buy into the one-man-one-woman-permanently-excluding-all-others standard on which Harley wrote his concepts ... it is a wrong fit
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Pep,
I know you are quoting Harley's position. I presumed your remarks that I quoted above were in response to familyfirst's remark on "swinging." So I was just asking you to whether the remarks applied to another non-traditional marriage.
But now that I re-read the thread, I can see that it's not certain you were responding to directly to familyfirst and the swinging issue.
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I can see that it's not certain you were responding to directly to familyfirst and the swinging issue. I am suggesting we all go out and purchase Harley's book DEFENDING TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE and return for a rousing lively informed discussion ! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I have not read this book I plan to it was recommended to me by another MBer (who has not finished it)
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