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_Larry_ #1897432 06/22/07 10:54 PM
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You focused on the small issue, she needed help with the bigger one. I haven't a clue if he is the way he is or if she is making it all up. I don't think she is making it all up, it rings true, but at the end of the day, I don't know because I am not there.

But if she is accurately presenting him as he is, then he is a loser and she needs to bail. There are two kids depending on someone to care for them and about them. He doesn't seem to fit that picture. That is my take.

Larry

This isn't a small vs big issue deal. It is a timing issue. The party is already set. She asked for help and didn't get it.

What t/d?

Either leave it as is and have the party or clean it up to her satisfaction and have the party. Either way deal with his attitude later.

Even if he has been that way for eons....she is frustrating only herself to try and vent while getting ready for this party. I am merely helping her see she can do both but must prioritize herself in view of the timing issues.

Of course some like to throw it all in a big pot and in many of those cases, the entire party may see a blow up. How memorable will that be?

WiseWoman has the opportunity to handle this with dignity and grace. She will be a bit worn for the extra work but her sanity and dignity w/b in tact. Also it will show her H that while she can do it w/o him, she would prefer to have him work along with her so they can both take pride in this party or any other activity requiring both their efforts.

Am I babbling? No. Mine was similar. He would refuse to lend a hand because he thought I was making a big deal out of small stuff. He didn't realize how hard I worked to make it a fun time for all. Later when he had t/d his own small stuff, he started to appreciate my efforts. Yea....some H's are slow learners..... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> But there may be a chance he can learn. Up to WW to see if she wants to stick around to help him.

JMHO,
L.

Orchid #1897433 06/23/07 11:34 AM
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What I'm about to say has nothing to do with your having an A.

What I'm about to say is directed at you, because your H isn't here. He isn't asking for advice, you are. You can't change what he does, you can only change what you do.

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Because I had an A, does that mean that I shouldn't expect him to do what HE promised when we agreed that he'd work at night and raise our two daughters?
Um, no. Because he works at night means you shouldn't be surprised if he didn't find time to pick up grass clippings and twigs during the day while watching children, at least one of whom is in the Terrible Twos.

The guy works at night and watches kids by day and is probably depressed. Just two of those things are enough to send me to bed or the couch. When does he sleep?

What someone else said about radar/laser, that's right. (Never heard it described that way, that's a cool visual!) There was a study done that confirmed that women are more able to multi-task than men, in general. I sometimes confuse DH by doing things like, say we're doing bills or something, I ask him to help me find something, while he's looking I start talking about what the kids need for school next week, and oh yeah you didn't throw away the party invites we got did you because I need the moms' phone numbers, and while you're looking keep an eye out for the medical bill and what do you want for dinner, I'd like to make some bread tomorrow since it's Saturday and OH NO STOP S5a FROM PUSHING S5b DOWN THE STAIRS!!!
And he is saying hold on, I'm looking for the bill you asked for.

So, he didn't pick up the yard or call about credit cards. He may have been doing things he thought were higher on his priority list than the yard, and he may have procrastinated dealing with credit cards because one more day wouldn't hurt and he was really tired, or it's an unpleasant task that is difficult to do especially if you are depressed, or maybe he was resisting being told what to do, who knows. But I'm not surprised he didn't, given that he works at night and had a 2 y.o. and a 4 y.o. to watch, and the emotional strain of the state of your M.

I'm gonna say to you something that was said to me... and I was a little offended, and defensive... but after I got over that, I REALLY saw things differently.

There are a lot of DJs in what you wrote. The rhetorical questions "Is it acceptable for him to do this while I do all that?" "big shocker" etc.

DJs are bad even if you are just thinking them. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> This is the amazing part - I mean, it really blows my mind - if you start catching your DJs, and change your thoughts to be about what YOU can do, what YOU should do, and how you can respectfully request he do something but if he doesn't (even if he promised) that YOU can't force HIM to do a single thing.

SDs won't get you what you want (a loving passionate H who does things you want); DJs won't get you what you want. Changing yourself, not just your actions but also your attitude, thoughts, empathy, just might get you what you want.

I was nurturing my resentful feelings, even though I thought I was doing all this work to help the M. My H is not one to do "relationship stuff". He never completed his ENs questionairre. Things were bad. But wowie, did they ever improve once I started changing my DJs, started respecting that I can't force him to do something, and started taking responsibility for my own things and my boundary issues.

Your H may very well be every bit as lazy and irresponsible as you say. But you can't force him to be the way you want. You can only change what you do, and maybe that will help him or motivate him.


me - 47 tired
H - 39 cool
married 2001
DS 8a think
DS 8b :crosseyedcrazy:
(Why is DS7b now a blockhead???)
(Ack! Now he's not even a blockhead, just a word! That's no fun!)
jayne241 #1897434 06/23/07 02:37 PM
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Jayne,

Excellent post. One that will help many. You pointed out how improving ourselves will help put things back in better perspective. It also improves the R.

Thanks for the real life experience and reminders. Keep up the good work.

Hope it helps all who read it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Mahalo,
L.

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